We shall see.
Some of you might remember a couple years ago I mentioned how SEBA seem to get rid of those station reps that ASKED to many questions of Abernthie and or Eagleson.
Those who did not march to the same tune were replaced quickly, especially the ones who challenged something or someone.
OH the democratic process, ya gotta just love it.
An old friend of mine told me the story after it happened to him. Well here is another story confirmed by emails where it is clear SOMEONE had an agenda.
This has nothing to do with the current E Board, but some of the names mentioned you will recognize.
There still seems to be a FEAR that if you speak out of school, you will simply disappear from the line-up. Jimmy Hoffa would be proud.
There is no question the shaddy process of SEBA is still very much alive and well.
The time is around June 2010. Location Needles, Ca.
The SEBA station rep is Darryl Weart, who is now retired.
Weart is on medical leave looking at retiring. The station is without a rep and it needs one. Weart tells those interested in taking over his duties to submit a memo and get a station vote.
Travis Bauer steps up to the plate. He contacts Nancy Tate and finds out what is needed to complete the process. Tate tells him you need a VOTE of the station personnel to complete the process. Travis will be back up by Deputy John Murch.
Bauer gets it done. Bauer seems to be on board ready to assume the duties then suddenly something changes.
Weart email to Bauer.
June 22, 2010 8:31 PM
I have decided to appoint Marc Bracco as the Alternate Station Rep.
starting on July 7th at the July SEBA meeting.
I feel that he being on days off on Wed. and staying in the San
Bernardino area he can make all the meetings. Many have been missed.
It is a critical time for the Association and I feel it is important
someone be at all the meetings representing us.
I apologize for dropping this on you so suddenly , But I feel it is
best for the station at this time and what is going on with the 12 hr.
shifts and we need to be represented at those meetings.
You can call me on my cell at 760 ******* and we can talk further.
Just prior to that email Travis received this one that would lead you to believe he is the new station rep. Especially after taking instructions from Nancy Tate.
June 18, 2010 9:37 AM
Great! We will get you on our phone list and the email list. The next meeting will be July 7. I generally can get the agendas out by the Friday before the meetings. If you don’t receive it, or have any questions at all, please feel free to contact me.
Safety Employees’ Benefit Association
735 E Carnegie Dr. Ste. 125
San Bernardino, CA 92408
More to follow. AND some of you CURRENT SEBA people who PREACH the membership NEEDS to step up. LOL!!!!
Travis’s email to Weart’s, I AM SORRY Travis.
I have a small problem with that. The station held an election at your request. You asked all members interested to submit a memo, and those interested would fill in for you when unable to attend or should ultimately retire, would take duties over completely. After being voted in, Jeff Cross and Pat Murch were the only ones who had interest and volunteered to attend should you or I be unable to attend. I’d ask you to refer to the Constitution of BYLAWS. You should familiarize yourself with the following section:
In article II, section 1, sub A(9), Alternate Director: Alternates are recognized by any of the following: a: By Division petition or vote b: Appointed by Board of Directors.
As you were fully aware of, being that is was your decision to have a vote, I was voted in and you congratulated me on that appointment. You making an “after the fact appointment” is suspect. Secondly, sub section b:Appointed by Board of Directors is plural, meaning more than 1. Even if this appointment were found to be within the meaning of “Directors”, which it’s not, it should only come after I have been found to have neglected my duties, which most likely would focus on absenteeism, being the point is to have someone there. If this were the case I would have no issue with your action.
My intention is not to get into a full argument about this, our goals are the same. I just have great respect for the ByLAWS and expect them to be respected by others. Without them we would fail to exist.
So as of June 18th, Ellen has been advised and let me know the next meeting is July 7th. I am going to forward this, along with our prior emails, to Abernathie so he is aware of the issue and get his input. I will also see Mark tomorrow and will talk to him about his interest.
Thanks again and I understand your hopes that someone represents us and our full interests.
You will NOTE that in section B of the by laws in says Board of Directors.
Would that have been William Abernathie, Kenny Lutz, Laren L. Colin McKenzie?
The station CHOSE their rep and who knows best?
Or was Bracco hanging on SOMEONE’s leg all along and poor ol Weart was clueless?
And of course the DEBACLE would not be complete without Michael Eagleson weighing in with his EXPERTISE putting another bandaid on the laceration.
———- Forwarded message ———-
From: Mike Eagleson
Date: Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 8:28 AM
Subject: Station Alternate
Bill Abernathie has asked me to respond to the email you sent him regarding the above referenced matter. Since Darryl is still the Station Director for your station, the following Section of SEBA’s Bylaws pertain to filling the Alternate’s spot. Article II, Section 1, Subsection A 9 (a) and (b) which states the following:
Alternate Director: Alternates are recognized by any of the following procedures:
a. By Division petition or vote.
b. Appointment by the Board of Directors.
I understand there was a station vote; however, as a protocol, the vote must be run through SEBA. Through your emails, SEBA has become aware that Darryl plans to appoint Marc Bracco as the Alternate Station Rep. at the July 7th SEBA Board of Director’s meeting.
Thank you for your interest in being the Alternate for your station. The next election for the Station Director for the Colorado River Station is August 2011.
Michael S. Eagleson
Chief of Labor Relations
SEBA, 735 E. Carnegie Dr., Ste. 125
San Bernardino, CA 92408
FAX (909) 891-1124
OH Michael where would we be without you sidestepping the evidence before you?
GLAD you mentioned Tate and Ellens MIS-STEP on this one, RIGHT along with Wearts.
Yes Michael we will IGNORE section A, cause it doesn’t fit the agenda, so we will use section B.
And Mikey mentions in another email how the process is ANONYMOUS on the vote for station rep. So a free for all on those who can talk smack and remain anonymous? NICE!!!!
Is it fair to say Bracco MIGHT have been hanging on SOMEONE’s leg as far back or before June 2010?
It appears so.
Well this email is VERY NOTEWORTHY when you put it in perspective.
It was JUST a couple months before other issues started with Bauer that has come to what is now going on.
You can decide what this means TAKING all the eggs and putting them in one basket.
From: Lotspeich, Tim
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:55 AM
To: Marnati; Mark, Tarangle; Ross, Smith; Tim
Subject: FW: EMAIL REGARDING DEPUTY BAUER
FYI, I spoke with Nancy Tate. She was cooperative and understanding with the latest Dep. Bauer issue. She said she would attempt to notify Dep. Bauer for us. She thinks he will answer his phone for her. She also said the schedule adjust we did is not a problem. WE’RE HAVE THE SEBA SEAL OF APPROVAL.
PLEASE NOTE the last words of Sergeant Lop, and the date.
This is a FAR as I can go with these emails at this time. Was there emails before this that show the POWERS to be were working on something involving Travis YES.
What REASONABLE conclusion can one draw from this is the QUESTION?
YOU WHINERS and cheerleaders wanted proof, there is a taste.
Members need to STEP up? REALLY?????? CHEW on that one SEBA.
More to follow.
Is it fair to say Nancy Tate was helping out Sheriff’s management over her client? Did Tate ever tell Bauer about this and other emails from Sergeant Lop or others?
Was Tate playing both sides of the fence?
SEBA and SHS say they enjoy a NON-CONFRONTATIONAL relatiionship with SBSD, NO KIDDING!!
The words ” SEBA’s SEAL of APPROVAL” sure looks like a GREEN LIGHT to me.
Or is Sergeant Lop LYING?
Does it appear that some at SEBA might have known Sheriff’s managment had a pending issue or agenda with Bauer well in advance of his getting the rep position?
Or did SEBA have a target on Bauer because Bauer challenged Abernathie and Eagleson or both on issues before Bauer sought out the position for the Station rep and wanted Bauer out of the lime light with no chance of recovery?
I know Beef ALWAYS got upset when anyone bad mouthed his system. FORGET the truth.
In light of EVERYTHING Bauer went through PRIOR to actaully getting LDME it can sure be argued SEBA was NOT even close to handling business the way they like EVERYONE to think they are.
I wonder if Orduno,Boros,Quick and a few others have the SAME feeling?
We are still waiting for the AWESOME track record of the SEBA reps to appear to show everyone it isn’t so.
Hmmm, guess that’s why NO ONE yet has looked at the Eagleson vs. Erwin matter.
Plenty of evidence out there E board boys, but it appears your not looking to hard either.
Maybe if some one drops it on your door step, MAYBE!!!! LOL that has already been done in more than one case.
IN order to keep the heat down, someone just serves up a glass of Kool-aid hoping NOTHING else pops up in the mean time.
Why would you if it points to what others have said, AND one of your own E Board people has STINK on his very own shoes?
Evidence you say? I don’t think some of you know what that even is.
AH here is a thought, if Abernathie goes away, Laren steps in ALL previous issues are NULL and VOID. NOT!!!!
NEVER will be until you get rid of the old trash.
I am sorry when I said this,
“This has nothing to do with the current E Board,
but some of the names mentioned you will recognize”.
I should have added or does it?
$16.00 more a month for LDF Plan 1 per member is what I am told. AGAIN I will say it takes JUST the E board to approve this move LEGALLY.
Laren just extended a contract with SHS WITHOUT the E Board approval, Laren believes he had FULL authority to do that. OK!!!!
BUT WAIT, some are concerned the members will RETAILATE for making a decision like that. REALLY?
If that is true THEN I guess SEBA should send out MAILERS, ASKING for the members input instead of MAKING excuses. Seems simple enough. IT’s called CYA do any of you E board people UNDERSTAND the concept?
If your experts in so many areas, then CYA should be your BEST attribute.
When did SEBA START worrying about the members getting upset? Some say the dues are already to HIGH to enact this program.
If the dues are already to high, WHO’s fault is that? Time to crunch the numbers and make some cuts in order to make that happen.
Or are you AFRAID of someone screaming about that too, and subject you to a RECALL.
Or is it that some at SEBA want to keep the 3 Stooges on board and continue to perform like we read above for a BIGGER agenda.
Trust me folks, questions and solutions are being offered up right along with EVIDENCE and the EXCUSES continue to come trying to DEFLECT the problems and cause.
When the plans are suggested, here come the BUTS right behind it.
I wonder if Detective Bracco had these issues in hand when he walked through the door as the new Sergeant at Arms?
He worked so hard to get to where he got, I thought he might be the NUMBER ONE I got the answer guy.
Administrator, I am looking to go back to old posts, and other than the sidebar with recent posts, or the most popular posts, I am unable to find how to go back. You used to have an arrow at the bottom that would let you go back to the post before, but I don’t see one. Can you let me know how to do this?? There is so much great information to reference back to in old posts when reading a current one. And, the tags don’t completely help because comments get put in posts that aren’t necessarily found through tags. Thank you!!
This issue above with the emails simply tells those with above average investigative skills, MORE investigation needs to be done, because there is more EVIDENCE that might show COLLUSION between SEBA reps, Sheriff’s managment in dealing with Deputy Bauer.
Don’t forget the hearing officer David Hart issue coming forth when us SIMPLE minds started adding up 2+2. WHERE is David Hart these days?
Is there more evidence in this matter that suggest that, YES.
Could more evidence be found, YES.
You can add the POBR violations discovered by LDME that was turned over the SEBA, then the reps and SHS clowns saying NO VIOLATIONS, then that being turned around and found to be false information on the reps/SHS part.
Another reason to have PLAN 1, NO REPS getting their fingers in the mix and screwing stuff up, then the LDF attorney picking up the case, doing damage control or repairing the over all mess and still taking care of the member and trying to DOWNPLAY SEBA’s screw up or down right corrupt acts.
YES you may add Brady Attorney Cynthia O’Neal and HR officer Laura Ornales to the mix if you wish.
Yes mistakes are made in any union. If they are dealt with quickly, then the issue is moot unless the mistake becomes a habit.
Many of us already know union lawyers DO NOT sue the very unions they work for. But we should note even SEBA thinks SHS will sue them JUST over a contract that has NO LEGAL standing anyways.
For those who don’t know LDME called BS on SHS when they tried that with the Riverside SO POA back in 2002. YES SEBA has those FACTS in hand.
Does SEBA really believe that or is that just ANOTHER excuse to hide simple BS? It has been said WE don’t want the hassel and spend the money fighting it. OKAY SEBA, will use that answer RIGHT there, to JUSTIFIE what needs to be done in this issue.
NOW what do you say????
But what do the lawyers do when they discover that SBSD is 80 percent culpable in a case, and SEBA is 20 percent culpable, at the END OF THE DAY?
Does one just go after SBSD and attempt to ignore SEBA’s 20% involvement? Or do they continue to QUIETLY point out the problem and HOPE things change?
And NO SHS is not part of the solution on this issue either.
I guess we will wait and see how these things continue to develop.
If you don’t want the grief, the accusations, or the stress, or name all over the internet attached to a scandal, then I guess PLAN 1 would be a step in the right direction and avoid what you already know from continuing.
Seems like a simple solution to me. IF you have any type of degree in CYA, you’d get busy with that quickly before you get tagged with something you don’t want attached to your GOOD name.
I have already asked around, those with the experience have already said such actions and perceived conduct within the union cannot be tolerated, and the lawyers have a duty to bring it forth. POLITICS is not a pass.
I asked others if these problems are as glarring in other unions at this level, the answer was NO. Business is handled and the chips fall where they fall. That answer seems to have a lot of truth to it.
But if you say it isnt so, please post a link of any case law that you found suggesting otherwise.
SERVING 2 masters or clients is a SLIPPERY slope in 2013, especially when SECRETS are difficult to keep a SECRET. IT takes just one LEAK and the rest is history.
Smart people will address this issue quickly before it gets worse than it is.
But AGAIN if your stupid, then the problem won’t get fixed.
Kicking William Haddens butt to the curb on his issues was just a LITTLE tuffer than posting the above emails for me.
A red flag is waiving, don’t see it? Then don’t cry when things happen.
So SEBA a simple question, WHY are you putting your NEW lawyers in harms way by subjecting them to uncovering CRAP they don’t need to deal with?
SHS are excluded, they dug their HOLE long ago.
A little off topic but it has come to my attention that Mr.Eagleson’s EMPLOYMENT contract might have changed from what it once was.
When leaving SEBA he was to be paid 1 WEEKS salary for EVERY year of service to SEBA.
It is being said now that Eagleson is to be paid 1 MONTHS salary for every year of service to SEBA.
Is this just a simple reward for his hard work in carrying the hatchet for some?
Who might have changed this? Has anyone checked that, or is that another YOU don’t want to know?
Worried about firing him for cause? Don’t know how to make a case because you LACK the skills or ability?
Or are you scared cause he has more dirt on YOU than you do on HIM?
Someone told me the general fund of SEBA is around $750 to 800K right now? If that is not true or accurate please correct that.
Sometimes people have to make an investment with a long term dividend return.
If SEBA throws a little money at SHS because they whine, then maybe you should just do that again for the GOOD of ALL.
You all throw the money at the Sheriff and DA like it grows on trees, so why not do it with Mikey?
YES I know that comes from the PAC funding which is a joke on how all that gets distrubuted.
Maybe it’s time to reduce employees dues going into that, since you can’t prove your not supporting CROOKS who throw your own under the bus.
Just think if you had more thinkers than EMPTY uniforms sitting around sucking up the free pizza, some of you would have more time to rub elbows and drink wine and know when you come home you don’t have a TON of new issues to deal with.
Here is another thought. TAKE the dog off the leash, tell them to do WHATEVER it takes as long as it’s legal in handling business.
For WARN those who get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, YOUR FIRED!!!
The question is, is SEBA a Seal Team 6 in the making, or an F Troop trying to get on their horses?
Let the F troop commander step up and be recognized.
And to whom ever made a call to someone AGAIN sniffling
and whining about these emails KMA!!!
NO MORE monster bans. You dug the hole SLEEP in it.
To bad the train just ran over your butt, I told you it was coming,
Seal team?! I am laughing my ass off at that one! You got a pres who got handed it from the last one and a vp that betrayed a brother. You won’t get change from self promoting brass kissers. Change will come from the outside when its forced down there throats. Until then the rank and file are strait screwed.
When will SEBA put McMahon in check. Do not get into bed with him like the old board did with Hoops. You are not a bank. Other Assn. do not give out money to candidates like a bank. They give some money right around election time and that’s IT! I hope you have not give McMahon a dime. You need to take a long look at this dude and what he is doing and has done. What has he done in the past. No one steps up and says, “John helped me and did this for me.” No what we hear is John is a snake with a big smile. SEBA, guys, gals, and others, this is a time to make or break this punk. I call him a punk because he was raised under daddy Hoops and if you were not a punk, you did not get promoted to DC.
Just Saying, think about the big picture, not just the E Board members health.
Glad you like the analogy anon. I think
it was fitting.
A fair warning to others. Another salvo of missles are on the launch pad being fueled as we speak.
The launch will be much uglier than this one. We can start by putting up what was taken down a few days ago as a courtesy to a couple.
Then we will fire off the new salvo and I’d say the target will pretty much look like Hiroshima.
This message is intended for a few who MIGHT be paying attention.
The clock is ticking!!!!! The BS is growing, and some of us cannot stand the stench.
Anonymous yes now that you mention it, Deputy Boros was thrown under the bus by Kenny Lutz, now we have Bauer thrown under the bus by Marc Bracco.
Thanks for reminding us of that. DUH for me on that one.
Oh no. Another missle attack! Everybody brave yourself for another HUGE event as seen by the nut job Kenny. I’m sure that just prior to this missle attack, the monsters will force the countdown to stop and it won’t happen. Just another smoke screen by the 5150 who prints it! Everybody beware. The missiles are coming. Eeewewwwwe aren’t we all shaking.
Can you aim some of those missiles to my side of the Department? I think Fillman and Hoops are related……same plays……same BS…….same arrogance! . But he resides under the Health Services branch instead of the Sheriff’s!
Lol OAN don’t know Filman.
Folks running around, talking about this and that, everyone so busy promoting an agenda, has suddenly stopped.
The train that suddenly struck some on the track, has left some confused.
The question now, who lied to who? Who tweeked what story about what misdeed for the good of all, or for themselves?
Who pointed in what direction for the truth, hoping others would not look over their shoulder and see the lie.
Who failed, and who suceeded with their agenda?
Will more hero’s fall, or more crooks discovered?
I knew the train was coming, I just didn’t know when it would arrive.
I just mentioned KENNETH Lutz throwing another member down, while he was a sitting VP on SEBA.
It was the Boros case. Near the end of the civil service hearing or pending outcome of it, Mr.Lutz attempted to to bring out an old information report involving Boros and attempt to turn it into a crime that it NEVER was.
But if it was, Lutz must have been inept.
The attempt FAILED and didn’t even come close to having any effect on the case.
The motive was nothing less than a desperate attempt to save a failing case, and obvious self serving reasons.
So actually LUTZ went out of his way to screw Boros.
Was anything done about that? NO!!!!! I am sure someone did a little yapping, but that’s about it.
That was not that long ago Lutz pulled that little stunt.
Now we have Bracco and Tate in the mix.
ONLY a fool would trust SEBA right now. WHY take the chance only to find out what you said made it’s way RIGHT back to McMahon and company.
Let SEBA get off their butt, and show everyone they are SEAL TEAM 6 by their obvious, PUBLIC actions.
Boot, wipe that EGG off your face son. NO MORE Martin Luther King, I have a dream stuff, members need to get involved step up blah blah, it appers those who do get whacked.
Sorry Boot, I knew that before you were out of diapers.
As long as Bracco and those like him are around my friend, THOSE who attempt to sell that used car will be laughed at, worse case scenario you get slapped.
Of course there will be a few dummy’s who walk into the ambush again, that is just how some like it.
I did hear today that the deputy at GHRC who was arrested recently got Michael Schwartz as his lawyer.
SOMEONE is thinking and paying attention. We will see if John McMahon can get it right this time, or gets spanked again by Schwartz. Maybe another DDA?
Win or lose, it will be interesting.
Crickets mean you are on to something. So does people talking trash about you. It’s almost funny what people will do when they don’t want to address or admit the truth. Desperation, personal attacks, idiotic explanations… Anything but actually addressing what happened… It would be funny if people’s lives weren’t involved….
Boots been awful quiet even after he and Duper got the full info on the matter……….
Yes Mrs P. play with life’s until someone gets
hurt because of stupid.
Want a get out of jail free card or mitigation in a
first class way?
Download all this stuff for a date with a jury.
See if Mike Ramos can deflect reasonable
doubt with all this stuff in order to protect the
corrupt ones who finally get punked.
Now for those paying attention, some at SEBA are very much aware of Eagleson’s alledged issues with Erwin and his testimony before the Grand Jury.
They know where to look and who to go see and read that transcript. SEBA paid $2k to get a copy.
Another CHANCE to see if Eagleson did to Erwin as he did with Bauer, and MANY others.
I have been told that Eagleson didn’t hestitate to COOPERATE with DA investigators when they came calling on the form 700 issues, ie the trip back east and rolex watch deal with Erwin.
Seems Eagleson was MORE than eager to drink the DA’s Kool-aid and sing the song they wanted him to sing, NO RUBBER hoses needed to get Eagleson to run his yap.
The DA’s investigators did the samething with Abernathie. Abernathie did not sing the same song as Eagleson, actually some of Eagleson statements were contradicted by Abernathie.
The DA’s office did not use ANYTHING Abernathie said, nor did they call Abernathie before they Grand Jury.
But they did call Eagleson.
If those investigators from the DA’s office were named Schriber and Randles it’s noteworthy BOTH have been removed from the Colonies case as of about a year ago, WHY, BRADY issues popped up in their files. IMAGINE THAT!!!!!! UH OH!!
I am told in comparing Eagleson’s law degree and resume to his testimony being a highly educated and experienced labor rep and investigator of the highest order, one would LAUGH at how the opinions just flowed out of his mouth.
We all know those who talk smack about you before the Grand Jury cannot be challenged then and there by your attorney.
I wonder if ANYONE has even asked Eagleson about these accusations??
If so, Eagleson should have QUICKLY handed those asking a copy of the transcripts and say, READ there is nothing in there.
Digging up dirt on Eagleson and crew is as about as easy as pulling weeds in your garden.
Clean up your own house SEBA before you mess with McMahon. He has enough PC to show you the finger.
You can’t fight corruption or injustices when your own back yard is just as questionable.
The doctrin of “clean hands”.. “those who seek relief from the courts must do so with clean hands”.
Right now it appears the sink is full of dirty water and no soap.
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