Well here we go again with a member being denied their “choice” of representation under Government Code 3303(i).
Let’s not forget the CASE LAW that was posted from the California Supreme Court.
Both issues allow the reader to see for themselves what the LAW says.
But Michael Eagleson, Bill Hadden,David Ellis seems to be more influencial at the end of the day.
And despite the misteps of all of them that would have anyone with half a BRAIN calling time out, continue to operate like NOTHING has happended.
Yes folks despite the challenges in the last several months on a number of issues from a number of people, this “contract” which NO ONE has read in its complete form continues to dictate potential destruction for members.
And that “contract” has about as much value as used toilet paper I am told.
I think I mispoke when I said the new “E” Board at SEBA hit the ground running.
The intent is there to change things if you talk with folks I am told, but the actions seem to be lacking at the end of the day.
The obvious problem is the RIGHT hand might not be telling the LEFT hand what is REALLY going on. That’s a first RIGHT?
In the last week or so additional information has started to come forth that suggest SEBA Pres. Laren L. might have made or be involved in some commitments that were under way before the NEW “E” Board came about.
Maybe Laren isn’t telling everyone what he is doing behind the scenes either.
The extent of those issues are NOT suggesting transperancy and the best interest of the members at this time.
From several different sources it has already been suggested that the SEBA Pres MIGHT have an opportunity to be promoted to detective.
YES the proverbial “carrot” is or was being dangled in front of Laren. Sorry Laren that is the word at this time among other issues.
And of course if you have payed attention we cannot forget William “Beef” Abernathy “endorsed” Laren, and Laren is also on the LDF Board of Trustees.
I think we all know how this “endorsement” thing has been under fire lately.
It seems to have merit since YOU changed direction when you told folks, YOU WILL get the lawyer you want if you asked for them. Suddenly this “contract” changed all that. A red flag is waiving no matter what you say.
But in addition to that, an unfortunate incident that came up last week suggests another “E” Board member took that position in SEBA JUST so they could get the exposure and get promoted down the road.
We have friends saying it ain’t so because that person told them so. We have other co-workers and friends saying it is so.
Yep we have another delima brewing and I bet it’s going to get ugly.
Are there are other factors to suggest the accusations have merit. YES absolutely!!!
Right now some are hinging their reputations on that he told me so versus OBVIOUS actions suggesting otherwise.
If one cannot get involved in a decision that effects the person in question because that person is FEARFUL of future advancement, HOW can they make decisions in the interests of others? That simple.
And no the because they said so is NOT going to make the problem go away.
I am seeing that the lack of ACTUAL combat experience of some around here, being naive, a “boy scout” MIGHT be a problem at the end of the day.
Talk is talk, if that’s all you have done, then it is what it is.
I just have one question for Eagleson and Laren. When someone gets tired of your b.s. forcing SHS down their throats and sues you and SEBA, is SHS gonna step up and pay the damages since they seem to waive the useless contract around while you 2 try and claim ignorance, or are you and SHS just gonna stick the membership with the bill? Fair question to those responsible for continuing to violate members rights. I personally would like to see you pay out of pocket if you continue down this path. It’s the very least you should be responsible for after ruining so many careers and causing others to pay out of pocket for legal representation they were already entitled too
Well right now as things stand SEBA is making decisions that are adverse to it’s members based on this contract.
We now know the contract is in contradiction to both state and case law.
One has a right to CHOOSE his own representative, and one can fire his attorney at ANYTIME with or without cause.
The California Supreme Court has said lawyers can only collect money owned to them for services rendered.
FUTURE earnings are NOT part of any damages.
You really have to ask yourself is the dirt that lays at SEBA’s door step deeper than we know?
Is all this really about a “contract” or is there some deeper issue that someone is protecting?
We darn sure know the David Hart issue might be the tip of the iceburg.
I have been told by more than one person in addition to the contract issue itself, a “conflict” MUST BE shown before one can ASK for another attorney.
WOW, who came up with that idea? What legal basis does that hold at the end of the day?
Okay let’s address that.
My first question was, WHAT are the elements of a “conflict” a member needs?
Guess what, various interpertations are being given.
The next question that comes to mind asked by a few is, SO does one have to WAIT for the damage to be done in their case, THEN go see SEBA and ask for another lawyer?
So if Bill Hadden and crew make a serious mistep in the intial stages of the case, THEN and ONLY then can a member get another attorney?
We know one thing the member will have to fight Ed Fishman up in Sacramento, and argue with Mike Eagleson too.
I mean god forbid if either of them don’t see your conflict.
An OFFICIAL letter has surfaced regarding this contract issue that some at SEBA now have.
Let it be known this letter in addition to ALL the other issues that have come up was KNOWN to SEBA BEFORE this most recent denial of representation.
A letter to Steve Silver of SHS from 2002 when that firm was handling Riverside POA.
It seems this contract issue came up there too. The word “threaten” was used in the body of the letter challenging SHS conduct and future actions.
The letter comes from another law firm that appeared to take over the Riverside POA or was going to.
In that letter a couple of case citations were also included in that letter supporting the law firms position on the legality of the contract and actions of SHS.
One of those cases was posted right here a couple weeks ago.
I won’t get into every detail of the letter because it isn’t important.
What is important is SHS has been ADVISED a DECADE ago that these contracts they make up are LEGALLY flawed, but clearly conflict with CASE LAW. You don’t need a bar card to see that.
The bottom line as discussed before, SEBA or an individual member CAN FIRE their lawyer at ANYTIME, PERIOD!!!
NO CAUSE need be given. WHAT part of that is confusing SEBA?
So SEBA in their infinate WISDOM thought that would add the word CONFLICT into the mix to bolster their position?
Good god Laren who are you listening to, can’t you READ for yourself. Do you go see Eagleson when you read the Penal code too?
Jesus the California State Bar has a rule that also lays out a client firing his attorney. And a attorney being able to walk away from the client. BUT the attorney needs a reason to do so, where the client doesn’t.
The langauge and meaning of these rules and decision are a SIMPLE as the Miranda rule.
“you have the right to remain silent”.
Do you need it written in crayon to understand that?
That is a valid position to take and I certainly can’t argue against it because the facts clearly paint that picture.
I do know there is a new E-Board……. Its unfortunate only a couple on it who want to change that are being beat down.
I can tell you with confidence it hasn’t been Laren, that is evident, so you can speculate who they are. They have to battle with Eagleson and Laren and a history of failures, corruption, and the afterbirth of a POS named Beef, or was it Dufus? I forget.
So next time you have a chance, I would ask you to offer your support and words of encouragement to those fighting for you and to ask Laren and Eagleson why they aren’t on board and fulfilling their duties in THE BEST INTEREST OF THE MEMBERS. YES THE MEMBERS, NOT ED FISHMAN OR SHS, last I checked they aren’t dealing with an IA department that likes to Lie on the stand and an administration that does nothing to those tasked with completing an investigation of its members to do it fairly, objectively, and IMPARTIALLY…….
Ok so we have this contract, and you need a “conflict” to take place before you can get a lawyer of your choice.
In addition to that we need to look at ALL the “conflicts” that have taken place in the last several years. MORE than a few.
I will call it a “pattern” of “conflicts” between clients and lawyers.
Now some of us will remember how Boot came in here when he first started posting and told me how MY ISSUES were old issues. YEP he was right.
Problem is there has been PLENTY of continuing issues since 2006.
Only the good lord knows how many issues prior to 2006, issues we will NEVER know about? Those of us who are paying attention now BET ourselves there is plenty of them out there.
Many of us know employees will take their disciplines and terminations justified or not, excessive or not and walk away. THAT is just what some like to see.
Unfortunately a perfect example of that was the bogus prosecution of Lt.Bill Maddox and Russ Wilke. Both have accepted what happened to them without any serious fuss.
It appears someone has done a fine job of covering up those other issues ALL along. Down playing many of them has become quite clear.
A few employees have come forward in a POLITICALLY CORRECT manner to discuss and expose MORE than enough “conflicts” that would justify TERMINATION of that contract LONG ago.
I would like to think there are other unions out there that would have LONG ago with EXTREME prejudice. But POLICTICS being what they are around HERE, we know that won’t happen.
Now some at SEBA tell you we NEED evidence to ACT on these “conflicts”. REMEMBER Boot said most of what I was saying was JUST MY OPINION.
I think by now he has learned that comment is FAR from an opinion.
More than a few people in various ways have brought forth EVIDENCE, generally documentation that supports their “conflict” with the present law firm for SEBA.
Some of it is pretty outrageous. But ALL of it shows a CLEAR and DISTINCT pattern of conduct that goes WAY beyond a conflict.
Mike Eagleson and his minion Nancy Tate has NO CONCEPT of how many times they have actually been caught playing both sides of the fence.
But two glarring issues that CAN NOT be explained away was the Jason Boros case and how it was handled by Bill Hadden.
Hadden through that guy under the bus like RIGHT now. ONLY because Boros had the resolve to fight did he win his criminal case.
There is NO explaning that case away. LDME TURNED that case around and WON it and WITHOUT difficulty. 12-0 NOT GUILTY first vote by the jury.
But Bill Hadden told everyone it was a NO WIN case.
No “A” game there folks, NOT even a “D” game.
Ol Ed Fishman from PORAC was even asking himself WTF, and knew Hadden had screwed up big time.
That dummy still likes to tell the FIRST time caller to his office with complaints about Hadden that he (Fishman) believes it’s a “strategy” thing is all the problem really is with Hadden.
YEP just the Jason Boros case was more than enough to NEVER AGAIN tell a member you have to take SHS first.
But NO ONE has yet explained why Michael Schwartz left SHS after 11 years. A MYSTERY that remains unanswered and probably will remain that way.
But in light of everything else, is suggests to EVERYONE there is no “A” game going on.
If you really think when this contract expires SEBA is done with SHS, I bet money another REASON will pop up and be added to the long list of BS excuses.
We will see. Lack of courage and politics seem to be standing in the way of some serious decision making right now.
No body wants to fire the first salvo of scuds in getting this issue resolved.
Now let me address Anonymous or Bill Haddens little game playing from the “one terminated” thread.
Hadden,Eagleson and a couple others have been trying to or selling this Kenny Holtz is going to go into a “tower” with a deer rifle thing for a long time.
Now I have heard this I should have gratitude SIMPLY because SEBA and SHS ATTEMPTED to assist me in my case.
Eagleson telling some about the “last chance agreement” was an obstacle NO ONE could over come is ALSO BS.
YES a theme of Bill Haddens, I have it in writing. Unfortunately it did NOT set aside the FACTS of his misdeeds.
YES everyone the mere fact SEBA even entertained the idea of representing you, YOU should be grateful and NOT speak badly about ANY misteps they took, intentionally or otherwise.
No I am NOT going to HARM innoncent people because I am pissed off at Hadden and Eagleson.
I am having too much FUN telling everyone else time after time, incident after incident how screwed up they are.
CANNOT do that from a prison cell.
Go to prison for the rest of my life taking out my anger on innocent people when I spent most of my life helping people or trying to. LMFAO!!!
Bill Hadden must be an expert in PROFILING people too. ANOTHER “A” game expertise?
Dishonor myself by harming innocent people, Bill Hadden I’d slap your ass if you had the balls to tell me that in person.
Give YOU and a couple others who have been selling this line of crap the opportunity to tell everyone, “I TOLD YOU SO”, NOT a chance.
I am annonyed with STUPID more than anything else, but like anything else, TIME ALWAYS tells the TRUTH, and THAT has great satisifaction at the END of the day.
Now anyone with half a BRAIN would know if I was going to do something as STUPID as going off on innocent people it would have already been done.
If I wanted to be that stupid HADDEN, YOU would have already been DEALT with DUMMY.
Why in god names would I give YOU A PASS? You too Eagleson? GIVE ME A BREAK with your baseless BS on that.
NO you clowns have been selling this crap to MIS-DIRECT the TRUE message and FACTS of what I am saying.
Sell that line, try the disgruntled approach and that SAYS what? I am lying? LOL, OKAY!!!
That’s ALL you have to fight the facts? PATHETIC.
Hadden I have already been told by CERTAIN people that have said my information is 90% accurate.
You had multiple opportunities to ESTABLISH my credibility in the PROPER forum and YOU FAILED to take that opportunity when it presented itself. NOT MY PROBLEM.
You should have made me out to be a LIAR like you did Warner and Conley, then and there, not 6 years later on the blog by telling everyone I am going to go into a tower with a deer rifle.
Eagleson as “Publius” and now Hadden as “anonymous”. On the blog doing battle. AWESOME!!
You boys getting high fives these days??? I bet Rich Beemer took you to lunch for all that.
Make NO mistake Hadden, I cross paths with you, you spout off like you do, we will dance, and I won’t be going to prison either.
I’ll have NO PROBLEM making you out to be the EVIL doer before a jury of my peers.
And if you think I am the ONLY one who has distain for your methods, YOU and Eagleson are really clueless.
NOW discredit me with FACTS of the matter, not your BS on my anger towards potentially innocent people.
You might as well just call me a thief too, that will get you bitch slapped too.
What makes Bill Hadden and Mike Eagleson such LIARS AGAIN, SBSD played the let’s try and get Kenny Holtz to go off so we can REALLY hammer him game, a LONG time ago.
It did NOT work, and both Hadden and Eagleson KNOW that.
It has been suggested to me by more than one person that I should watch what I say in dealing with the likes of Hadden,Eagleson,James Mills and a couple others.
My subtle challenges to fight may cause SBSD to tap my phone, put a tracker on my vehicle etc has been suggested.
OKAY, they can if they wish, BUT whoever is assigned to watch me is going to GET bored pretty fast.
NO TERRORIST attacks being planned by me, or any other CRIME.
FOLKS some people already think that has been done. At minimum my emails if not my text messages or both.
They did it to former Deputy’s Benjamin and Orduno including the victim of that issue. SBSD was simply trying to bolster their case and when they looked, they didn’t see anything.
Unfortunately some of the things they said sent up red flags to others that SBSD had been peeking at those involved PERSONAL cell phone activity.
THAT conduct is in violation of FEDERAL law. If you want to violate Federal law to come after me or anyone else, OK!!!! BRING it.
I am sure there is at least one corrupt judge who might sign a SEARCH WARRANT allowing that to happen.
I don’t think it’s about my comments more than it’s trying to find out who I am talking to.
I think SBSD already knows who those people are to be honest. But what can they do LEGALLY about all that? NOTHING!!!
Retaliate against the other party who might still be working for SBSD? OK!! Go for it. I think there is at least ONE law firm that would take that case.
NO CRIME in talking to someone about how Hoops lied in his depo on the Parkinson matter.
Are they seeing or hearing anything that rises to the level of CRIMINAL activity, NOT even close.
Talking about BITCH slapping someone IS NOT going to cut it for prosecution purposes.
Stalking that person, sending annonying and harrassing text messages or emails, YES then there is an issue indeed.
If am being tracked by the STELLER technology out there, NO ONE watching is seeing me in any place that would cause any concern to those who I have challenged or offered to meet with.
Whatever they have obtained ILLEGALLY they cannot use. They can try, but they know ACU will challenge it no matter what it takes.
Whatever they have obtained LEGALLY is useless at this point cause NOTHING is going on ILLEGALLY.
Now to these subtle threats some of you think rise to the level of criminal actions, OKAY!!!
With all due respect to those of you who conveyed that concern, I think YOU forgot a key element to some of the issues you have brought forth.
In more cases than some of you know, I know who the poster is. They too have a history that would show they like to start stuff but seldom finish it.
I always attempt to finish it if I DEEM it necessary looking at the BIGGER picture many of you have NO KNOWLEDGE of whether it be a present day situation or past history.
I knew from DAY ONE the moment I started blogging things would happen in various ways.
But if you think someone is going to come in here, make their own NASTY comments such as I am a murderer etc, get a pass from me, and YOU think I have to be politically correct in my response, THINK again.
Now you coppers out there ask yourself this, how many times have you arrested TWO people for fighting?
How many bar fights have you responded too and NO ACTION was taken?
How many guys or gals have you arrested for assault who smacked someone, and the one being smacked STARTED the fight?
Compared to the hundreds of calls an agency get’s every year, VERY few arrests are made, even less actual cases filed.
Mutual combat is normally the disposition.
YES I know some of you think some of this is much different. YOUR right, even more complex.
So much so YOUR victim might have a serious problem gaining sympathy when ALL the facts come out.
You want to get that deep into a misdemeanor crimes under certain circumstances, KNOCK yourself out.
Everyone thought Ivory Webb was toast after watching the video of that shooting.
You all know that the jury told the defense team?
THOSE suspects created their own problem, they got what they deserved was the theme.
Yes that was a very serious scenario, but the bad guys actions ACROSS the board got them NO SYMPATHY at the end of the day.
And with all due respect to those concerned even if someone crossed the line in the sand YOU have drawn, YOU still wouldn’t do anything because your to scared of getting into trouble.
Why is that, for the most part you haven’t been there done that.
Much like JC Red calling me a cyber bully and not knowing ALL the facts of the situation at hand.
Nothing personal JC, we know as this very moment the right hand still isn’t telling the left one what’s going on at SEBA. NO WORRIES!!!
JC forgot his Chief of Labor Relations outed me on this blog and MORE than technically put me in harms way at that very moment in a much more defined way than I did Boot.
I sure didn’t run down to Sheriff’s HQ demanding action either. I WILL NOT waste my time. I know the outcome already. BEEN there done that too.
I will say whatever I need to, to whoever I think needs to hear it for my reasons, and I will back it up no matter what it takes.
And let’s be real here for those of you who suggest I should be NICE to everyone.
EVEN IF I WAS playing the game the WAY you think I should, and I was still getting my butt kicked, harrassed by whoever, whether it be me or my family, YOU folks still wouldn’t STEP up to back me.
So THINK before you give your advise and wisdom on WARS you have NOT personally fought, if your NOT willing to step up no matter what happens.
Walk in my shoes, then give me the advise, I’ll buy the beer and LISTEN to you.
Stayed tuned more coming up on the Parkinson case.
ACU I’m confused?! YOu are all about change and what not but yet deputies get fired get charged with crimes, get convicted or take deals and its still a bad thing? I don’t know what change you are insinuating? I understand you were fired, I understand you have grudges against people because if you didn’t you wouldn’t be wasting your time on this site especially if you don’t work for the department anymore. You can’t change a department from the outside…especially the way you rant and rave about things. Name calling and finger pointing doesn’t change an organization…especially from someone who was fired…people just dismiss you as a disgruntled fired ex employee…If you want change try leading by example and not what you’re currently doing…you have a lot of issues to work out…move on
OK JC, if you can’t change the department from the outside, then how does it get changed? Most of you all on the inside are too scared to stand up and demand change, or you just don’t care or are fine with things the way they are. I’m sorry to break this to you JC, but when people in the department are behaving in ways that are possibly illegal, the public, us on the outside, have a right to demand that change. In fact, as American citizens, I would say it is not just our right, but our responsibility to demand that changes. Not one of Duane’s so called “friends” has come out and said what Sheriff Hoops and company did was wrong, publicly or privately. It was the ultimate betrayal to a fellow law enforcement officer, yet nobody that knew him has said a word. I have proof strait out of Hoops’ own mouth, and yet, silence. Doesn’t say much for you folks on the “inside” now does it? Especially since it could have been any one of you this happened to.
I have to agree Mrs.P, Duane’s situation was the BIGGEST test of all when it comes to saying “enough is enough” with the politics.
Despite the fact that everyone KNOWS there is PLENTY of proof to what you have said, STILL EVERYONE is silent.
Even those who might still say Hoops was just being kind and compassionate, and the EVIDENCE now shows he lied under oath as to what really happended, he tried to WEASEL out of even giving a deposition.
Despite all that, EVERYONE is still silent.
Good Ol JC with his EXPERT opinion on this very topic, ONCE the FACTS start coming out, he simple ignores it, and switches to another topic.
It’s a bitch JC when you don’t have ANY OFFICIAL documents to make your argument in defense of your beloved boss or bosses.
Even a good set of Home Depot knee pads were out quickly when fighting the battles you do.
Now that’s an understatement!!!
Well here we go again with a member being denied their “choice” of representation under Government Code 3303(i).
Let’s not forget the CASE LAW that was posted from the California Supreme Court.
Both issues allow the reader to see for themselves what the LAW says.
But Michael Eagleson, Bill Hadden,David Ellis seems to be more influencial at the end of the day.
And despite the misteps of all of them that would have anyone with half a BRAIN calling time out, continue to operate like NOTHING has happended.
Yes folks despite the challenges in the last several months on a number of issues from a number of people, this “contract” which NO ONE has read in its complete form continues to dictate potential destruction for members.
And that “contract” has about as much value as used toilet paper I am told.
I think I mispoke when I said the new “E” Board at SEBA hit the ground running.
The intent is there to change things if you talk with folks I am told, but the actions seem to be lacking at the end of the day.
The obvious problem is the RIGHT hand might not be telling the LEFT hand what is REALLY going on. That’s a first RIGHT?
In the last week or so additional information has started to come forth that suggest SEBA Pres. Laren L. might have made or be involved in some commitments that were under way before the NEW “E” Board came about.
Maybe Laren isn’t telling everyone what he is doing behind the scenes either.
The extent of those issues are NOT suggesting transperancy and the best interest of the members at this time.
From several different sources it has already been suggested that the SEBA Pres MIGHT have an opportunity to be promoted to detective.
YES the proverbial “carrot” is or was being dangled in front of Laren. Sorry Laren that is the word at this time among other issues.
And of course if you have payed attention we cannot forget William “Beef” Abernathy “endorsed” Laren, and Laren is also on the LDF Board of Trustees.
I think we all know how this “endorsement” thing has been under fire lately.
It seems to have merit since YOU changed direction when you told folks, YOU WILL get the lawyer you want if you asked for them. Suddenly this “contract” changed all that. A red flag is waiving no matter what you say.
But in addition to that, an unfortunate incident that came up last week suggests another “E” Board member took that position in SEBA JUST so they could get the exposure and get promoted down the road.
We have friends saying it ain’t so because that person told them so. We have other co-workers and friends saying it is so.
Yep we have another delima brewing and I bet it’s going to get ugly.
Are there are other factors to suggest the accusations have merit. YES absolutely!!!
Right now some are hinging their reputations on that he told me so versus OBVIOUS actions suggesting otherwise.
If one cannot get involved in a decision that effects the person in question because that person is FEARFUL of future advancement, HOW can they make decisions in the interests of others? That simple.
And no the because they said so is NOT going to make the problem go away.
I am seeing that the lack of ACTUAL combat experience of some around here, being naive, a “boy scout” MIGHT be a problem at the end of the day.
Talk is talk, if that’s all you have done, then it is what it is.
I will break down the specifics later.
POBR we mean?
To SEBA:
I just have one question for Eagleson and Laren. When someone gets tired of your b.s. forcing SHS down their throats and sues you and SEBA, is SHS gonna step up and pay the damages since they seem to waive the useless contract around while you 2 try and claim ignorance, or are you and SHS just gonna stick the membership with the bill? Fair question to those responsible for continuing to violate members rights. I personally would like to see you pay out of pocket if you continue down this path. It’s the very least you should be responsible for after ruining so many careers and causing others to pay out of pocket for legal representation they were already entitled too
Just sayin’
Well right now as things stand SEBA is making decisions that are adverse to it’s members based on this contract.
We now know the contract is in contradiction to both state and case law.
One has a right to CHOOSE his own representative, and one can fire his attorney at ANYTIME with or without cause.
The California Supreme Court has said lawyers can only collect money owned to them for services rendered.
FUTURE earnings are NOT part of any damages.
You really have to ask yourself is the dirt that lays at SEBA’s door step deeper than we know?
Is all this really about a “contract” or is there some deeper issue that someone is protecting?
We darn sure know the David Hart issue might be the tip of the iceburg.
I have been told by more than one person in addition to the contract issue itself, a “conflict” MUST BE shown before one can ASK for another attorney.
WOW, who came up with that idea? What legal basis does that hold at the end of the day?
Okay let’s address that.
My first question was, WHAT are the elements of a “conflict” a member needs?
Guess what, various interpertations are being given.
The next question that comes to mind asked by a few is, SO does one have to WAIT for the damage to be done in their case, THEN go see SEBA and ask for another lawyer?
So if Bill Hadden and crew make a serious mistep in the intial stages of the case, THEN and ONLY then can a member get another attorney?
We know one thing the member will have to fight Ed Fishman up in Sacramento, and argue with Mike Eagleson too.
I mean god forbid if either of them don’t see your conflict.
An OFFICIAL letter has surfaced regarding this contract issue that some at SEBA now have.
Let it be known this letter in addition to ALL the other issues that have come up was KNOWN to SEBA BEFORE this most recent denial of representation.
A letter to Steve Silver of SHS from 2002 when that firm was handling Riverside POA.
It seems this contract issue came up there too. The word “threaten” was used in the body of the letter challenging SHS conduct and future actions.
The letter comes from another law firm that appeared to take over the Riverside POA or was going to.
In that letter a couple of case citations were also included in that letter supporting the law firms position on the legality of the contract and actions of SHS.
One of those cases was posted right here a couple weeks ago.
I won’t get into every detail of the letter because it isn’t important.
What is important is SHS has been ADVISED a DECADE ago that these contracts they make up are LEGALLY flawed, but clearly conflict with CASE LAW. You don’t need a bar card to see that.
The bottom line as discussed before, SEBA or an individual member CAN FIRE their lawyer at ANYTIME, PERIOD!!!
NO CAUSE need be given. WHAT part of that is confusing SEBA?
So SEBA in their infinate WISDOM thought that would add the word CONFLICT into the mix to bolster their position?
Good god Laren who are you listening to, can’t you READ for yourself. Do you go see Eagleson when you read the Penal code too?
Jesus the California State Bar has a rule that also lays out a client firing his attorney. And a attorney being able to walk away from the client. BUT the attorney needs a reason to do so, where the client doesn’t.
The langauge and meaning of these rules and decision are a SIMPLE as the Miranda rule.
“you have the right to remain silent”.
Do you need it written in crayon to understand that?
More facts coming on this.
SEBA is just a front for the executive staff to do as they please…Wake up people!!!!
cwarrier,
That is a valid position to take and I certainly can’t argue against it because the facts clearly paint that picture.
I do know there is a new E-Board……. Its unfortunate only a couple on it who want to change that are being beat down.
I can tell you with confidence it hasn’t been Laren, that is evident, so you can speculate who they are. They have to battle with Eagleson and Laren and a history of failures, corruption, and the afterbirth of a POS named Beef, or was it Dufus? I forget.
So next time you have a chance, I would ask you to offer your support and words of encouragement to those fighting for you and to ask Laren and Eagleson why they aren’t on board and fulfilling their duties in THE BEST INTEREST OF THE MEMBERS. YES THE MEMBERS, NOT ED FISHMAN OR SHS, last I checked they aren’t dealing with an IA department that likes to Lie on the stand and an administration that does nothing to those tasked with completing an investigation of its members to do it fairly, objectively, and IMPARTIALLY…….
Ok so we have this contract, and you need a “conflict” to take place before you can get a lawyer of your choice.
In addition to that we need to look at ALL the “conflicts” that have taken place in the last several years. MORE than a few.
I will call it a “pattern” of “conflicts” between clients and lawyers.
Now some of us will remember how Boot came in here when he first started posting and told me how MY ISSUES were old issues. YEP he was right.
Problem is there has been PLENTY of continuing issues since 2006.
Only the good lord knows how many issues prior to 2006, issues we will NEVER know about? Those of us who are paying attention now BET ourselves there is plenty of them out there.
Many of us know employees will take their disciplines and terminations justified or not, excessive or not and walk away. THAT is just what some like to see.
Unfortunately a perfect example of that was the bogus prosecution of Lt.Bill Maddox and Russ Wilke. Both have accepted what happened to them without any serious fuss.
It appears someone has done a fine job of covering up those other issues ALL along. Down playing many of them has become quite clear.
A few employees have come forward in a POLITICALLY CORRECT manner to discuss and expose MORE than enough “conflicts” that would justify TERMINATION of that contract LONG ago.
I would like to think there are other unions out there that would have LONG ago with EXTREME prejudice. But POLICTICS being what they are around HERE, we know that won’t happen.
Now some at SEBA tell you we NEED evidence to ACT on these “conflicts”. REMEMBER Boot said most of what I was saying was JUST MY OPINION.
I think by now he has learned that comment is FAR from an opinion.
More than a few people in various ways have brought forth EVIDENCE, generally documentation that supports their “conflict” with the present law firm for SEBA.
Some of it is pretty outrageous. But ALL of it shows a CLEAR and DISTINCT pattern of conduct that goes WAY beyond a conflict.
Mike Eagleson and his minion Nancy Tate has NO CONCEPT of how many times they have actually been caught playing both sides of the fence.
But two glarring issues that CAN NOT be explained away was the Jason Boros case and how it was handled by Bill Hadden.
Hadden through that guy under the bus like RIGHT now. ONLY because Boros had the resolve to fight did he win his criminal case.
There is NO explaning that case away. LDME TURNED that case around and WON it and WITHOUT difficulty. 12-0 NOT GUILTY first vote by the jury.
But Bill Hadden told everyone it was a NO WIN case.
No “A” game there folks, NOT even a “D” game.
Ol Ed Fishman from PORAC was even asking himself WTF, and knew Hadden had screwed up big time.
That dummy still likes to tell the FIRST time caller to his office with complaints about Hadden that he (Fishman) believes it’s a “strategy” thing is all the problem really is with Hadden.
YEP just the Jason Boros case was more than enough to NEVER AGAIN tell a member you have to take SHS first.
But NO ONE has yet explained why Michael Schwartz left SHS after 11 years. A MYSTERY that remains unanswered and probably will remain that way.
But in light of everything else, is suggests to EVERYONE there is no “A” game going on.
If you really think when this contract expires SEBA is done with SHS, I bet money another REASON will pop up and be added to the long list of BS excuses.
We will see. Lack of courage and politics seem to be standing in the way of some serious decision making right now.
No body wants to fire the first salvo of scuds in getting this issue resolved.
Now let me address Anonymous or Bill Haddens little game playing from the “one terminated” thread.
Hadden,Eagleson and a couple others have been trying to or selling this Kenny Holtz is going to go into a “tower” with a deer rifle thing for a long time.
Now I have heard this I should have gratitude SIMPLY because SEBA and SHS ATTEMPTED to assist me in my case.
Eagleson telling some about the “last chance agreement” was an obstacle NO ONE could over come is ALSO BS.
YES a theme of Bill Haddens, I have it in writing. Unfortunately it did NOT set aside the FACTS of his misdeeds.
YES everyone the mere fact SEBA even entertained the idea of representing you, YOU should be grateful and NOT speak badly about ANY misteps they took, intentionally or otherwise.
No I am NOT going to HARM innoncent people because I am pissed off at Hadden and Eagleson.
I am having too much FUN telling everyone else time after time, incident after incident how screwed up they are.
CANNOT do that from a prison cell.
Go to prison for the rest of my life taking out my anger on innocent people when I spent most of my life helping people or trying to. LMFAO!!!
Bill Hadden must be an expert in PROFILING people too. ANOTHER “A” game expertise?
Dishonor myself by harming innocent people, Bill Hadden I’d slap your ass if you had the balls to tell me that in person.
Give YOU and a couple others who have been selling this line of crap the opportunity to tell everyone, “I TOLD YOU SO”, NOT a chance.
I am annonyed with STUPID more than anything else, but like anything else, TIME ALWAYS tells the TRUTH, and THAT has great satisifaction at the END of the day.
Now anyone with half a BRAIN would know if I was going to do something as STUPID as going off on innocent people it would have already been done.
If I wanted to be that stupid HADDEN, YOU would have already been DEALT with DUMMY.
Why in god names would I give YOU A PASS? You too Eagleson? GIVE ME A BREAK with your baseless BS on that.
NO you clowns have been selling this crap to MIS-DIRECT the TRUE message and FACTS of what I am saying.
Sell that line, try the disgruntled approach and that SAYS what? I am lying? LOL, OKAY!!!
That’s ALL you have to fight the facts? PATHETIC.
Hadden I have already been told by CERTAIN people that have said my information is 90% accurate.
You had multiple opportunities to ESTABLISH my credibility in the PROPER forum and YOU FAILED to take that opportunity when it presented itself. NOT MY PROBLEM.
You should have made me out to be a LIAR like you did Warner and Conley, then and there, not 6 years later on the blog by telling everyone I am going to go into a tower with a deer rifle.
Eagleson as “Publius” and now Hadden as “anonymous”. On the blog doing battle. AWESOME!!
You boys getting high fives these days??? I bet Rich Beemer took you to lunch for all that.
Make NO mistake Hadden, I cross paths with you, you spout off like you do, we will dance, and I won’t be going to prison either.
I’ll have NO PROBLEM making you out to be the EVIL doer before a jury of my peers.
And if you think I am the ONLY one who has distain for your methods, YOU and Eagleson are really clueless.
NOW discredit me with FACTS of the matter, not your BS on my anger towards potentially innocent people.
You might as well just call me a thief too, that will get you bitch slapped too.
What makes Bill Hadden and Mike Eagleson such LIARS AGAIN, SBSD played the let’s try and get Kenny Holtz to go off so we can REALLY hammer him game, a LONG time ago.
It did NOT work, and both Hadden and Eagleson KNOW that.
Now you two little wimps hush up.
It has been suggested to me by more than one person that I should watch what I say in dealing with the likes of Hadden,Eagleson,James Mills and a couple others.
My subtle challenges to fight may cause SBSD to tap my phone, put a tracker on my vehicle etc has been suggested.
OKAY, they can if they wish, BUT whoever is assigned to watch me is going to GET bored pretty fast.
NO TERRORIST attacks being planned by me, or any other CRIME.
FOLKS some people already think that has been done. At minimum my emails if not my text messages or both.
They did it to former Deputy’s Benjamin and Orduno including the victim of that issue. SBSD was simply trying to bolster their case and when they looked, they didn’t see anything.
Unfortunately some of the things they said sent up red flags to others that SBSD had been peeking at those involved PERSONAL cell phone activity.
THAT conduct is in violation of FEDERAL law. If you want to violate Federal law to come after me or anyone else, OK!!!! BRING it.
I am sure there is at least one corrupt judge who might sign a SEARCH WARRANT allowing that to happen.
I don’t think it’s about my comments more than it’s trying to find out who I am talking to.
I think SBSD already knows who those people are to be honest. But what can they do LEGALLY about all that? NOTHING!!!
Retaliate against the other party who might still be working for SBSD? OK!! Go for it. I think there is at least ONE law firm that would take that case.
NO CRIME in talking to someone about how Hoops lied in his depo on the Parkinson matter.
Are they seeing or hearing anything that rises to the level of CRIMINAL activity, NOT even close.
Talking about BITCH slapping someone IS NOT going to cut it for prosecution purposes.
Stalking that person, sending annonying and harrassing text messages or emails, YES then there is an issue indeed.
If am being tracked by the STELLER technology out there, NO ONE watching is seeing me in any place that would cause any concern to those who I have challenged or offered to meet with.
Whatever they have obtained ILLEGALLY they cannot use. They can try, but they know ACU will challenge it no matter what it takes.
Whatever they have obtained LEGALLY is useless at this point cause NOTHING is going on ILLEGALLY.
Now to these subtle threats some of you think rise to the level of criminal actions, OKAY!!!
With all due respect to those of you who conveyed that concern, I think YOU forgot a key element to some of the issues you have brought forth.
In more cases than some of you know, I know who the poster is. They too have a history that would show they like to start stuff but seldom finish it.
I always attempt to finish it if I DEEM it necessary looking at the BIGGER picture many of you have NO KNOWLEDGE of whether it be a present day situation or past history.
I knew from DAY ONE the moment I started blogging things would happen in various ways.
But if you think someone is going to come in here, make their own NASTY comments such as I am a murderer etc, get a pass from me, and YOU think I have to be politically correct in my response, THINK again.
Now you coppers out there ask yourself this, how many times have you arrested TWO people for fighting?
How many bar fights have you responded too and NO ACTION was taken?
How many guys or gals have you arrested for assault who smacked someone, and the one being smacked STARTED the fight?
Compared to the hundreds of calls an agency get’s every year, VERY few arrests are made, even less actual cases filed.
Mutual combat is normally the disposition.
YES I know some of you think some of this is much different. YOUR right, even more complex.
So much so YOUR victim might have a serious problem gaining sympathy when ALL the facts come out.
You want to get that deep into a misdemeanor crimes under certain circumstances, KNOCK yourself out.
Everyone thought Ivory Webb was toast after watching the video of that shooting.
You all know that the jury told the defense team?
THOSE suspects created their own problem, they got what they deserved was the theme.
Yes that was a very serious scenario, but the bad guys actions ACROSS the board got them NO SYMPATHY at the end of the day.
And with all due respect to those concerned even if someone crossed the line in the sand YOU have drawn, YOU still wouldn’t do anything because your to scared of getting into trouble.
Why is that, for the most part you haven’t been there done that.
Much like JC Red calling me a cyber bully and not knowing ALL the facts of the situation at hand.
Nothing personal JC, we know as this very moment the right hand still isn’t telling the left one what’s going on at SEBA. NO WORRIES!!!
JC forgot his Chief of Labor Relations outed me on this blog and MORE than technically put me in harms way at that very moment in a much more defined way than I did Boot.
I sure didn’t run down to Sheriff’s HQ demanding action either. I WILL NOT waste my time. I know the outcome already. BEEN there done that too.
I will say whatever I need to, to whoever I think needs to hear it for my reasons, and I will back it up no matter what it takes.
And let’s be real here for those of you who suggest I should be NICE to everyone.
EVEN IF I WAS playing the game the WAY you think I should, and I was still getting my butt kicked, harrassed by whoever, whether it be me or my family, YOU folks still wouldn’t STEP up to back me.
So THINK before you give your advise and wisdom on WARS you have NOT personally fought, if your NOT willing to step up no matter what happens.
Walk in my shoes, then give me the advise, I’ll buy the beer and LISTEN to you.
Stayed tuned more coming up on the Parkinson case.
ACU I’m confused?! YOu are all about change and what not but yet deputies get fired get charged with crimes, get convicted or take deals and its still a bad thing? I don’t know what change you are insinuating? I understand you were fired, I understand you have grudges against people because if you didn’t you wouldn’t be wasting your time on this site especially if you don’t work for the department anymore. You can’t change a department from the outside…especially the way you rant and rave about things. Name calling and finger pointing doesn’t change an organization…especially from someone who was fired…people just dismiss you as a disgruntled fired ex employee…If you want change try leading by example and not what you’re currently doing…you have a lot of issues to work out…move on
JC, why do you come here? Your not here to seek change you can’t, you hide behind the keyboard yourself and point fingers and talk smack.
Even when EVIDENCE is presented on a topic YOU are NO WHERE around then.
Go get some courage JC then come see me about my issues.
YOUR a bottle fed SBSD youngster.
OK JC, if you can’t change the department from the outside, then how does it get changed? Most of you all on the inside are too scared to stand up and demand change, or you just don’t care or are fine with things the way they are. I’m sorry to break this to you JC, but when people in the department are behaving in ways that are possibly illegal, the public, us on the outside, have a right to demand that change. In fact, as American citizens, I would say it is not just our right, but our responsibility to demand that changes. Not one of Duane’s so called “friends” has come out and said what Sheriff Hoops and company did was wrong, publicly or privately. It was the ultimate betrayal to a fellow law enforcement officer, yet nobody that knew him has said a word. I have proof strait out of Hoops’ own mouth, and yet, silence. Doesn’t say much for you folks on the “inside” now does it? Especially since it could have been any one of you this happened to.
I have to agree Mrs.P, Duane’s situation was the BIGGEST test of all when it comes to saying “enough is enough” with the politics.
Despite the fact that everyone KNOWS there is PLENTY of proof to what you have said, STILL EVERYONE is silent.
Even those who might still say Hoops was just being kind and compassionate, and the EVIDENCE now shows he lied under oath as to what really happended, he tried to WEASEL out of even giving a deposition.
Despite all that, EVERYONE is still silent.
Good Ol JC with his EXPERT opinion on this very topic, ONCE the FACTS start coming out, he simple ignores it, and switches to another topic.
It’s a bitch JC when you don’t have ANY OFFICIAL documents to make your argument in defense of your beloved boss or bosses.
Even a good set of Home Depot knee pads were out quickly when fighting the battles you do.
PRICELESS!!!