iePolitics: Mrs. Parkison makes appearance at BOS
This morning from the San Bernardino County Board of Supervisors meeting, Sun reporter Joe Nelson sent the following tweets:
- Jill Parkinson, wife of late sheriff’s Detective Duane Parkinson, is addressing board, saying Sheriff Rod Hoops took woman who struck
- and killed her husband last August out to lunch, and Hoops and now retired Deputy Chief Pete Ortiz divulged information on investigation .
- to the woman who struck and killed her husband, Taren Stout. duane Parkinson was riding his bike in Irvine when accident occurred.
- Parkinson is alleging Hoops and his command staff tainted the Irvine police investigation into her husband’s death.
- Parkinson is demanding a criminal investigation of Hoops.
- Sheriff’s Deputy Chief Joe Cuisimano said in previous interview that Hoops was merely reaching out to all involved in tragedy, extending…
- emotional support to Parkinson and Stout, who appeared even more distraught when she learned the man she killed was a sheriff’s detective.
How many of you remember how much grief we got from those who she misread the business card and other such nonsense. Now we have a tweet from Nelson with a quote from DC Cuisimano. That sure doesn’t make it sound like Mrs. Parkison can’t read. It seems to me he is admitting what Hoops did.
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Hoops is a P.O.S. Period
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NICE find jc. Good read.
Maybe Deputy Chief Cusimano can tell everyone or Joe Nelson how many lunches he has had with the other parties of tragic incidents.
Maybe the Chief can tell us Hoops met with, and took Baby Wyatts mom out?
Will Hoops meet with, and take the truck driver who was just involved with the fatal accident involving Detective Martin Landaeta?
Hoops Sucks!!! Soory to hear this. SBSD looks bad with Hoops as sheriff.
Well as usual I have been waiting to see who is paying attention as who is not. Seems like a few as usual.
In the original reporting of Duane’s incident it was mentioned that Sgt. Phil Dupper was the one who showed up with Deputy Chief Ortiz.
Why is Sgt. Phil remaining silent on this clearly questionable situation, at the same time wanting to
be SEBA’s VP?
Seems like another graduate of the Cal Worthington used car sales academy.
Another Kenneth Lutz clone?
To ACU, Sergeant Phill Dupper was the person who told the press, a day or two after the accident, details that the press should not have been told during an ongoing investigation by another department. I would assume as a trained law enforcement officer, he would know better than to give the press and public any information during an investigation, especially preliminary details. Seriously, to all you law enforcement officers, when someone gets out of their car and says it was not their fault, aren’t you trained to investigate before believing them? Remember, Irvine Police Detective Cherney, an internationally known accident reconstruction expert(as is stated on the Irvine PD website) found her at fault for two vehicle code violations and recommended charges of misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter. So, to be accurate an fair, it was not Sergeant Dupper who was at my home with Deputy Chief Ortiz the day after the accident when Deputy Chief Ortiz stated that they had just left Taryn Stout’s house. I think the Sergeant’s name may have been Natarro, though I can’t be positive of that because I did not write it down.
I’ve never commented on this site, but this time I have to. I get that Jill has a certain perception of how things are and truly this perception is her reality. I can see that she thinks there is some sort of conspiracy here, I won’t comment on that. But what I will comment on are the comments regarding Sgt. Phill Dupper. There are a few things to clarify first. I was friends with both Duane and Phill and have worked with both. Duane was an exceptional person and a dedicated family man, he was an exceptional detective as well. Phill and Duane were close friends, basically two peas in a pod. Now with what I’m going to say next this is solely 100% of my first hand knowledge. I know that commuting was difficult for Duane because of the added time he would be away from home. I asked him on a couple of occasions why he didn’t move out here, he always laughed and said “Jill likes where we live better than out here”, I can’t blame her, it’s much nicer out there than here in the inland empire. I know first hand that Duane and Jill both were invited numerous events revolving around Rancho and Fontana stations, the fact is, I never saw her at one event. I’m not saying I attended every event, but I did attend many and never saw her. In time it became known that her association with Duane’s friends and co-workers here at department was non existent.
Now back to why I decided to comment. I watched Phill during the course of the week that we lost Duane, Phill put everything in his life on the last page of his newspaper so that he could focus on the arrangements for Duane’s funeral. I remember the issue of Phill wanting to have a flag on Duane’s casket and being told Duane couldn’t have… It looks like Phill won that one because Duane did have one. There are additional things that Phill did for Duane that weren’t popular in some people’s eyes, but Phill did absolutely everything he could to honor his friend in his friends passing but most of all to honor Duane for Duane’s family.
What I don’t like about this site is all the mud slinging that goes on which detracts from and inhibits what I believe people try to accomplish here. We were all told it was an unfortunate accident, if it turns out that it was a violation of the law then so be it. I did not see the article where Phill commented on it being an accident, if he in fact said that then so be it but understand there was no malice behind it, we all including myself believed it was just an unfortunate accident.
Lastly, the comment about Phill and SEBA and Phill just being a clone of Sgt. Lutz. I can assure you that he has no association with and has no beliefs that in any way resemble anything close to those of Lutz. Phill’s goal with SEBA is to provide positive change so that the employee’s rights are taken care of the best that they can be.
With that being said, if you chose to support Jill in her plight then Great!! But be adult enough not to drag everyone down in the process.
Was Sgt. Dupper a good friend of your husband ? Do you think he would do or say anything to cause problems for you or your family ? Maybe he just made some mistakes ? Maybe he was upset about losing his friend. I don’t know Dupper well but he seems like a good person and he is very supportive of the people working for him. He’s not perfect but I believe he has good intentions.
Well that is good to hear about Sgt. Dupper Just A Deputy.
Hopefully we will see that change sooner than later.
So far there is more than enough reason to doubt that.
Just recent events alone.
To Anonymous, clearly you are law enforcement. Clearly you are defending Phill. Did I say anything about Phill other than what he should not have told the newspaper? I did not. I actually clarified someone’s misconception that Phill was present during the visit where Deputy Chief Ortiz says he visited the woman. I could say things Duane told me about Phill, but I won’t. Clearly you can’t show the same discretion. Maybe you should take your own advice and act like an “adult”. My association with your department is irrelevant. Many of your presumptions are false, but since our personal life is none of your business and you have no idea about my life with Duane and the way we ran it, I won’t address your out of line comments. I will say your comments disgust me. And know that you airing my business would disgust Duane. THIS is about the law and an investigation, plain and simple. Why did you believe it was “just an unfortunate accident” before an investigation was completed, and it had barely even begun? Again, when you roll up on scene, do you believe what you are told or do you wait to investigate it? The Sheriff’s Department had no business interfering and Phill Dupper had no business discussing the accident to the newspaper when only preliminary details were available. Look into this, it is not a “plight”, it is illegal. It is about justice for Duane, if you were his friend you would want this woman held accountable. I am doing this because members of your Department BETRAYED Duane. He would want me to fight for what is right, that is why he was a great Detective, he fought for what is right. Mr. Anonymous and “just a deputy”, go look up “conspiracy to obstruct justice”. Then go listen to my speech. Clearly this topic was missing from your academy classes.
Anonymous nice commentary.
Thank you Mrs.Parkinson for the clarification on Sgt.Dupper. Yes I know Sgt.Notaro also.
So it’s far to say Sgt.Dupper was simply reporting what he was told. OKAY!!!
Ok folks it’s time to cut to the chase on this issue and what has come to light so far.
If Sheriff Hoops, whether at his present status, or when he was a Deputy Chief, Captain, whatever, had a reputation for contacting the OTHER party involved in tragic incidents I would not be saying much.
If that was important to Hoops for whatever reason, that should be respected if he feels that deeply about talking with people who have suffered a tragic incident or been involved in one.
But we must look at the preliminary comments by Hoops and his staff when even considering that.
Is that in fact a LONG time pattern for Hoops? If this just happens to be his first, then I’d rethink EVER doing that again.
It is very clear from Mrs.Parkinson’s comments, here on this blog, before the BOS, Irvine City Council that a bunch of things happened that DO raise some red flags if this was the first time Hoops has done this.
Let’s take the name of the other party Stout? Is this lady in ANYWAY related to former District Attorney Dennis Stout? Some people are starting to think so.
Would I be disappointed in Dennis Stout if he made some phone calls and all this happened? YES!!!! Would this be the first time something happened like this with someone attempting to influence the outcome of an investigation? NO. It has happened so much, I have lost count over the years.
There was a reason that Detective from Irvine P.D. put those comments in his report on Ms. Stout having lunch with Hoops. Did they actually have a bearing on the physical evidence or facts of the case? NO!!!
So he did it for a reason. Either the Detective was pissed off that SBSD stuck their nose in his case HOWEVER slight, or he was sending a message to others.
There is nothing wrong with any agency seeking answers when after talking to the investigating agency, they are not convinced, that go out and look for the truth. That doesn’t seem to be the case here.
You kinda believe that when TWICE his MISDEMEANOR charges against Stout were rejected. You have to wonder when only misdemeanor charges are being sought versus felony, why the rejection?
If your still in doubt when the District Attorney of Orange County DOES NOT give a legal basis for the rejection, BUT does comment that Sheriff Hoops was simply consoling Ms.Stout you again start scratching your head.
HOW in the hell does he know about that? Did Mr.Glasser DDA call Hoops up and ask him? Or did he just throw that out there because it sounded good?
Or has Hoops, or someone else talked to Mr.Glasser personally, like right after Hoops determined the was NO fault by Ms.Stout?
If some higher ranking official at Irvine P.D. determined there was NO fault on Stouts part, then there was no need to even give this report to the DA. Thousands of accidents, minor and fatal are labeled fault, “not determine”. It happens.
If alot of these comments were made WEEKS after the incident, that would be one thing in favor of Hoops.
Most of these comments were made within 48 hrs or less, after the accident. Hell the Detective doing the investigation wasn’t even a eighth of the way through filling out his report.
NO WAY Rod Hoops or anyone else from SBSD could determine it was an accident with NO FAULT, without looking at the COMPLETE Mait report. Mait reports can take up to a month or more before they are completed.
If Hoops and his crew can determine that within 48 hours, then there is NO excuse for the POST prosecution or many Internal Affairs investigation to take months before coming to a conslusion.
So taking ALL that has been said, you have to say, something isn’t right about all this.
The money collected for the family is something else that has to be answered.
But from the first posting from Mrs.Parkinson until the meeting with SB County BOS, there has been plenty of time for those in power to contact Mrs.Parkinson, including Phil Dupper and others, trying to explain things. It appears that has not happened.
Now I WONDER if Just a Deputy and Anonymous thought of ANY of these glaring questions before they posted?
If there was ANY political influence used in this case, Rod Hoops and company have stooped to a new meaning of the term “scum bag”. I hope I am wrong.
But I am not wrong because someone says some like Dupper is cool, or the Sheriff was just concerned for Ms.Stout and nothing more. HAVE to do better than that. And someone had time to do that between the first time this incident raised it’s ugly head and now.
As to Sgt.Dupper, if only half of what has been said here is true, and he chose to remain silent on all that, would that make him a GOOD friend of Duanes?
AS far as mud slinging, if this thing turns out to be true, I’d say STAND BY on the mud slinging.
Just saying!!!
Mrs Parkison, I am so sorry for your loss. Your husband was a great man. Every one of us, who knew your husband, mourned the loss of our friend and partner. Everyone grieves in their own way… including you.
I have not read the collision report prepared by the Irvine Police investigator, but I trust that it is true and accurate. I believe the investigator stands by his findings, just as I would any one of my reports. I too would re-submit any report to the DA if the victim or the family of the victim requested. This is not unusual. It doesn’t mean the case will get filed, but I would want the victim/family to know I tried for them.
I have no doubt that your husband’s death was an accident. I do not believe for one second, the driver decided, “I’m going to ram my SUV into that bicyclist.” But does that exempt her from being negligent? I say, heck no! Obviously the investigator agreed and prepared the report as such.
I can’t fathom what anyone would have to gain by conspiring to obstruct justice. For this to be true, all those involved would have to believe a crime occurred and then worked in concert to conceal the crime or prevent prosecution. From what I have heard and read, the driver was absolutely devastated. (I know I would be devastated if I were responsible for killing a person because I didn’t react in time, especially if it was avoidable. Even if it were unavoidable, I would feel awful.) Again, does that completely excuse her actions or inactions… No way. But sometimes terrible events, even where choices are involved, have unintended consequences and are still accidents.
I am writing my opinions because I don’t think it is fair to blame friends and co-workers of crimes simply because you felt their grief was not genuine. We all grieve in our own way. Please don’t discount the positive work that the Sheriff’s SEAT program does for many employees and their families. I’m sorry no one reached out to you before Chaplain Bob May. Your anger is valid; no one can tell you how you feel… But I don’t feel it’s appropriate to begin an angry rant in the middle of a somber memorial to another one of our friends and partners who tragically died. Think of how you would feel if someone hijacked a memorial article for Duane, before and on the day of his funeral.
Phil was your husband’s friend. He was part of the very touching funeral service for your husband. Phil has a good heart and I’m sure his intentions were good. I know he misses his friend. I am sooo sorry for your loss, but I’m afraid there is nothing anyone can say that will console you, because ultimately Duane isn’t here.
If you are in financial need, please reach out. I would gladly do what I can to get donations to you. I loved and respected your husband. I hope you are able to get the answers you seek. I pray that you find peace in your heart again.
Dear Boot, I did not hijack a memorial page. I pointed out that your department does not always help the widow. I would have loved to have known that information. I thought maybe my commentary would result in this woman not being neglected. I thought if money was collected that she might actually get it. When the public gives money for the family it should go to the family. This fact alone should be investigated, but I am too busy trying to get justice for Duane to ask for that. My heart hurts for her and her children. Now, please everyone get this strait. THIS IS NOT ABOUT MY FEELINGS! THIS IS ABOUT THE LAW! When you make it about my feelings or about me you are trying to draw attention away from the facts and it does not go unnoticed. I only pointed out that nobody contacted me in order to show that the contact with her was odd. Isn’t it odd that she had more contact with your department than I did?? I am not questioning anyone’s grief or feelings or whether they are a nice person, I am questioning some people’s behavior, big difference! The Irvine Police Detective is internationally known as a bicycle and vehicle accident reconstruction expert. The report is almost two inches thick. He took it to the DA twice on his own accord, I had nothing to do with it. He believed in his findings. Go to the JusticeForDuaneParkison facebook page and you will see more. Go to the Irvine City Council website link above. As for knowing she was devastated, how do you know this?? WHERE did you hear and read this? I have NOT heard and read this. Boot, can you tell us the source of your information?
To Boot’s post: This is the type of post that is so manipulative and full of propaganda and falsities designed to look like truth and concern that it needs to be addressed with bullet points.
1. I do not believe you are sorry for her loss based on your post.
2. The everyone grieves in their own way comment was unnecessary and designed to make it appear as if this is part of her grief process and not part of a legitimate request for justice.
3. Jonathan Cherney of the Irvine PD is an internationally recognized accident and reconstruction expert and determined that if Duane had not fallen forward and to the side 6-9 inches, the woman “would have sideswiped him anyways.” Those are his words. Also, if she had moved to centerline, she would have missed him by 2 feet and she had six seconds to do this.
4. He did not take his recommendation for vehicular manslaughter to the OCDA at the victim’s family’s request either time. He took it because he personally believed she was negligent and needed to be charged. So, that tactic you employed won’t work here.
5. Why would the daughter of a very wealth and politically connected family want to avoid charges of misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter? Two fold. She didn’t know it would be misdemeanor necessarily and she didn’t want to be found at fault for killing a man. That one is obvious. Clearly, these charges mean something to her. They mean so much to her that she had her friends and others go on bike forums and other internet sites posting false information.
6. So, she has a lot to gain from conspiring to obstruct justice. And once a department and an individual conspire to cover up a crime (even if you deem it minor), they need to continue to do so because conspiring to do so is a serious crime.
7. From what I have heard and read (and I know a lot about this case), the driver is not devastated, so I’m not sure where you got that information from. She asked to have Duane’s ghost bike taken down so she could move on with her life only a couple months after she killed him.
8. No one was blaming friends or co-workers on a personal level as you are making it appear. Read the comments above. Hoops probably had lunch to give her information. I won’t get into Ortiz. You can figure that out. And Dupper gave a bad report to the local papers. That’s all the wife said.
9. She didn’t give an angry rant in the middle of a memorial. That is another exaggeration but given your other statements, I’m not surprised. She was actually warning the widow. There was a fund for Duane’s family and it was never given to the family.
10. She doesn’t need your money.
11. Phil was a friend of Duane’s, but not a best friend, and I can assure you of this because I knew Duane. I wouldn’t get started about Phill Dupper because his wife, son and others have been privy to statements Duane made about Phill that I don’t care to post on this site. Leave Phill out of this unless you’re looking to start a personal slander campaign which is just sick.
This is a common tactic deployed by Hoops and his minions, “Lie, Deny, and immediately initiate counter accusations”….. This is true when a case is indefensible. When you know you can’t beat the facts or the evidence you do what? You attack the messenger.
Mrs Parkision, don’t waist your time explaining your actions. Those who know the facts, know the parties involved, and agree with justice in this case know EXACTLY what time it is. The majority, THE MAJORITY, know exactly why you did and will continue to do what you have done. Which clearly is TO GET JUSTICE AND TO EXPOSE THOSE THAT CORRUPT IT.
I appreciate your response, but remember this, those that wish to lie and distort the truth are motivated in other ways than those that are truthful and rational. So trying to justify your actions only gives them more ammo in an attempt to discredit and distort the truth. The majority truly appreciate your efforts, keep up the good work.
Boot – You are way off on this and your tone is patronizing. The fact that you can’t fathom what someone would gain by conspiring in this situation is laughable. And, it’s not about what they would gain, but what they would lose. This lady lives in a prominent neighborhood, with prominent friends. She comes from a politically connected family and is married to a pseudo celebrity off road racer. What do you think it would look like if she was convicted of misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter, and was shown to have LIED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED? It’s pretty hard to continue pretending you are an upstanding, respectable member of society after that.
Accidents do happen, but what defines a person in a situation like this is how they deal with it, or take responsibility for what happened. Would you really show sympathy for this lady if she lied about the circumstances? What if she lied about whose fault it was and blamed Duane? Are you kidding me? Why are you so quick to let this lady off the hook and turn your focus to judgements of Mrs. Parkison?
Describing what Mrs. Parkison is doing as being rooted in her feeling about peoples grief is ridiculous. I really wonder what your motives are for writing what you did. If crimes were committed they should be punished. And if these crimes, or suspicions of crimes being committed seem to be supported by facts, and a police report, they should be investigated.
For some people peace may come easier through justice. Wouldn’t that make sense for a woman who was married to a detective?
Citizen thank you for telling us about Stouts social back ground.
The dots are getting bigger and will be easier to connect.
Mrs Parkison, I am a semi-regular poster on this site. I was not trying to disrespect you in any way. I’m sorry if it came across that way.
I guess I took it wrong the way the Laughlin Accident thread evolved into anything but a remembrance thread for Martin. I know that was not your fault, I see you were just pleading for the SBSD to take care of his family.
Perhaps I shouldn’t have written my thoughts today, but I really did love and respect Duane. Today was Martin’s funeral. I hope no one else goes through what you did.
This is about Hoops and how he was in a place he should not have been and a possible criminal act. It’s also about SBSD not helping a fellow deps. family. That’s it. Hoops sux. Boot why don’t you reach out. She said she got no HELP!!!!
I really think Citizen summarized it nicely. Well said. Based on Hoop’s history, Citizen’s analysis, the facts, and the speeches given to the BOS and the Irvine City Council, it looks like Hoops and Ortiz conspired to obstruct justice along with Taryn Stout, so Stout would not be found at fault for killing Detective Duane Parkison and not be exposed for lying to the Irvine Police Department at the time of the accident (good observation Citizen and true…not the actions of an exemplary person).
Sergeant Dupper gave out accident information to a local SB paper with that info appearing to exonerate Stout of fault? That is odd. But, she was later found at fault for misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter by an expert with education that probably surpasses that of most LEO’s in the SBSD. Interesting. This Sergeant should have known not to have given this information, whether it was false or true. I would ask…is he a pawn of Hoops? As for Hoops and Ortiz’s actions and motives. Those are transparent and already stated well by others.
Only other thing I would add is…fellow Sheriff Department deputies and workers that are not corrupt should stand up and fight for this detective in the name of justice. Hoops is an elected official. It does not appear as if he is among the group of SBSD workers that take their work and oath seriously. It’s time to stand up…I know that this would be scary for you, but ask around since you’ve been taken for a ride. Your boss is corrupt to the point that he betrayed one of your own. Sad, isn’t it?
Does anyone know what two vehicle code violations were committed or what the PCF was?
That would be nice to know.
What is a PCF?
According to the Irvine Police Report:
“P-1 was the associated cause of this collision. P-1 was in violation of the following sections:
California Vehicle Code 22350, Basic Speed Law, which states …
California Vehicle Code 21703, Following Too Close, which states …”
Primary Collision Factor
PCF= Primary collision factor, a moving violation generally, or other unsafe act listed in the CHP 555 (Page 1) of collision report. Another unsafe act is falling asleep for example.
Then you have secondary collision factors you can include if applicable, also on page 1.
Both factors stated are in fact major causes of collisions.
In MAIT reports those factors are generally covered in great detail, based on physical evidence,photos,witness statements etc.
Thanks again Mrs.Parkinson.
Ok first of all my heart goes out to Duane’s wife, I can’t imagine losing a spouse. I worked with him several times and always looked forward to it. I’m sorry for your loss and I’m sorry if the Sheriff’s Dept. let you down.
If what I’m about to say offends someone then im sorry.
PC 192. Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without
malice….
(c) Vehicular–
(1) Except as provided in subdivision (a) of Section 191.5,
driving a vehicle in the commission of an unlawful act, not amounting
to felony, and with gross negligence; or driving a vehicle in the
commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful
manner, and with gross negligence.
(2) Driving a vehicle in the commission of an unlawful act, not
amounting to felony, but without gross negligence; or driving a
vehicle in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death,
in an unlawful manner, but without gross negligence.
Those are the elements of Vehicular Manslaughter. Every traffic collision is caused by someone. There is no such thing as an “accident” Every collision has to have a PCF. You cannot have a collision without a PCF. The reason I asked what the PCF was and listed PC 192 was because you have to be able to show that the driver was either, A; driving with gross negligence or B; if she wasn’t driving with gross negligence then she would have to be driving in such a way that her driving might produce death. I think with the PCF’S that were listed it didn’t show either. I think if the driver would’ve violated CVC 23103, Reckless Driving, then maybe you could get a Manslaughter charge filed.
With that being said, there is still no logical reason that i can think of to justify Hoops going to see the other party, but I honestly don’t think there is some greater conspiracy.
I hope Mrs. Parkison comes on here to clarify why it meets criteria for misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter based on the Detective’s findings, but to JustCurious, if you are a reconstruction accident expert, then you might want to reconsider what you said.
The driver Stout violated California Vehicle Code 22350, Basic Speed Law and California Vehicle Code 21703, Following Too Close, which was the primary cause of the collision and his death. These actually do meet criteria for Vehicular Manslaughter w/o Gross Negligence 192(c)(2). Obviously, he found that she was driving a vehicle in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, but without gross negligence.
Are you questioning this detective’s findings? I might take your post more seriously if you didn’t end it with your conclusion that there isn’t some conspiracy. That is pretty obvious to the majority of people here. Are you a SBSD deputy, detective etc?
To Just Curious,
According to Irvine Police Detective Jonathan Cherney, a bicycle and vehicle accident reconstruction expert, in the official police report, “P-1 is also in violation of California Penal Code 192(c)(2) , Vehicular Manslaughter, which states, “Driving a vehicle in the commission of an unlawful act , not amounting to felony, but without gross negligence; or driving a vehicle in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death, in an unlawful manner, but without gross negligence.”
As for not thinking there was a greater conspiracy: Taryn Stout states in a transcribed interview in the police report that “um ya know I’ve had his Sheriff’s Department has been wonderful and they’ve taken me to lunch and been very kind and, they’ve described a lot of what happened and things and so I know he was on the Bommer Canyon Trail for ya know they were able to tell me that so I know where he came from. Um, it just to me they said he was on the Bommer Canyon Trail and he was riding home”
Is it common for you SBC Sheriffs to go out to those being investigated in other jurisdictions, take them to lunch, and give them details of the investigation that the person can then tell to the investigating Detective to explain the accident? If so, they I can see why many of you do not see the conspiracy.
She mentions “Hoops” by name in another part of the report, and other details she got from my home as well.
If they got together and he gave her information that would help her to not be found out fault, why is that not obstruction of justice? If two people are involved, then it’s a “conspiracy” right?
Now, since I have all you law enforcement here, I have since found out that friends of mine donated to the fund for the family. Since it is in three newspapers that it is was for the family, along with your union newsletter, shouldn’t the money have gone to the family, and is it a crime that it didn’t?
JC what is a greater conspiracy? Explain that.
Would it be a greater conspiracy if it
Involved say 5 or more people versus 2?
Sorry JC your subtle Hoops support is showing again. I noticed you side stepped Stouts social status in rejecting the greater conspiracy theory.
Stay anonymous dude.
Your 30 plus years as JUST a Deputy is starting to smell just a touch like BS.
I do not have the whole collision report. I merely stated that with just cvc 22350 as PCF and 21703 as associated factor that I didn’t believe it rose to the crime of manslaughter. Everyone violates both those sections. Those sections are what cause most collisions. So therefore everyone who causes a collision with those violations and someone dies should be charged with manslaughter.
Jus because the detective stated in his report that he believed manslaughter was committed doesn’t mean it was committed. The detectives opinion was that manslaughter was committed. Sure he is an expert but it’s still his opinion. You will have just as many expert opinions stating its not manslaughter as there are that say it is. Obviously the DA didn’t think manslaughter was committed.
As far as Hoops meeting her and helping her with her story. The story was gathered at the scene. The evidence is the collision. You can take almost every collision and write the report without statements, because the damage tells the story. The officers got her statements at the scene. Now I don’t know if her statements changed but if they did, it didn’t matter because the detective showed her at fault and opined she committed manslaughter.
ACU as far as a conspiracy about Duane being murdered or a cover up is what I was referring to. If you got that I supported Hoops from my post then you must be pulling stuff out of your ass and telling lies…agggaaiiinnn…Also I never said I had 30 years on…If you are or were a Sgt or a Det then man…glad I didn’t work for you…
Mrs. Parkinson has many reasons to be upset and feel betrayed. I wish you, your family and friends the best.
Wow JC speeding down the street
kill someone it’s not manslaughter?
Okay!
Basic speed law means driving too fast for conditions…meaning even if she was driving the speed limit she could still be violating the basic speed law…
So ACU if u were driving the speed limit and the PCF was the basic speed law and u hit and killed someone do u think you would deserve manslaughter
How do you know that since you
said earlier yourself you haven’t
seen the report?
22350 also is exceeding posted speed limit.
Let say for now there are those
out there trying to gather additional
information.
Enough said for now.
JC remember OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder by a jury of his peers.
But he was found responsible in the death of Nicole Simpson and
Ron Goldman to the sum of $33m.
So walk on the misdemeanor manslaughter, pay out the
nose on the wrongful death.
Just saying if that’s the case here.
ACU again you post false information… CVC 22350 is not esceeding posted speed limit. That section is CVC 22348(a). So before you start posting nonsense you should research it.
CVC 22350. No person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed
greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather,
visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of, the
highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of
persons or property.
So if the PCF was CVC 22350 as you say it is(but who really knows, since you posted it) then we safely assume she wasn’t exceeding the posted speed limit but she was in fact driving too fast for conditions. You still did not answer my question and I’ve started to notice that on most of people’s posts on here when they don’t have a leg to stand on.
I in no way lessened what happened to Duane, I feel for his wife. I don’t blame her for wanting to find answers to questions she may have. In fact it reminds me of David March’s wife and family after he was murdered on duty.
Like I said in my post which no one has argued against (because you can’t) the damage tells the story so if Hoops went there with the intention of having her change her story then he’s dumb because he knows that her changing her story days later would have no effect on the report or the FACTUAL findings. No one knows why he went there. So until someone can explain why he did there’s no point in assuming there’s a cover-up.
Hey! You guys re forgetting – STATEMENTS ARE EVIDENCE! Damn it.
No one is addressing your twisted arguments because you sound like a corrupt SBSD official and/or a complete fool for arguing a case on behalf of someone who hit Duane without the facts at hand. That alone is suspicious enough.
Many people have been charged with misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter for violating those vehicle codes, (including not driving according to the conditions of the road) and as a result, killing someone. Are you going to argue that it’s okay to drive 25 mph in a school zone when there is a little girl limping on the side of the road, you see her 6 car lengths ahead and still attempt to pass her so close that you would have hit her arm as you passed her, at which point she stumbles due to her limp, which you already took note of, and falls 6 inches into the road and you kill her. This would meet criteria for vehicular manslaughter if the road evidence and all other evidence supported it.
In the case under discussion, the evidence, including but not limited to witness statements, driver statements, damage to the vehicle, bodily injury patterns, and most particularly, the evidence on the roadway (don’t ask me to expand) all helped to support the charge.
I would stop pretending you know how to do anything but come on this site, defend the corrupt sheriff and driver, insult Duane and look like a pandering fool.
JC, Mrs. P. posted the 22350 and 21703 because you asked the question what is the PCF. So this comment (but who really knows, since you posted it) is unwarranted.
From the vehicle code:
22348. (a) Notwithstanding subdivision (b) of Section 22351, a
person shall not drive a vehicle upon a highway with a speed limit
established pursuant to Section 22349 or 22356 at a speed greater
than that speed limit.
Did you bother to look up 22349 or 22356 before you commented?
22349. (a) Except as provided in Section 22356, no person may drive
a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than 65 miles per hour.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no person may
drive a vehicle upon a two-lane, undivided highway at a speed greater
than 55 miles per hour unless that highway, or portion thereof, has
been posted for a higher speed by the Department of Transportation or
appropriate local agency upon the basis of an engineering and
traffic survey. For purposes of this subdivision, the following
apply:
Section (a) is for exceeding the POSTED speed limit of 65 mph.(b) is for exceeding the POSTED speed limit of 55 mph.
CVC 22356 a&b deal with exceeding POSTED speed limit of 70 mph.
Yes we have some surface streets posted at 55 and 65 mph, but these sections were intended for major highways or freeways.
22351. (a) The speed of any vehicle upon a highway not in excess of
the limits specified in Section 22352 or established as authorized
in this code is lawful unless clearly proved to be in violation of
the basic speed law.
(b) The speed of any vehicle upon a highway in excess of the prima
facie speed limits in Section 22352 or established as authorized in
this code is prima facie unlawful unless the defendant establishes by
competent evidence that the speed in excess of said limits did not
constitute a violation of the basic speed law at the time, place and
under the conditions then existing.
So I will apologize that I was NOT more specific when I said 22350 applies to posted speed limit WHEN the other factors within the meaning of the section apply.
After having written several thousand 22350 citations in my day, only losing a handful, when one exceeds the posted speed limit within cities, the speed violates the 85% of the average speed for that location based on surveys conducted by the traffic engineering departments the speed is considered unsafe for exceeding that posted limit.
At night time that might change the scenario when no one else is on the road, and a more detailed explanation is needed as to what unsafe is.
When the speed limit was not posted, nor the streets surveyed for radar use, then speeds over 55 mph were cited for CVC 22349(b). PRIMA FACIA.
Yes I have cited people for cvc 22350 doing the speed limit during a downpour from a thunder storm. They were the only one doing the speed limit, everyone else has slowed down well under the speed limit. They were convicted. More than one I might add.
No one said there was a cover-up, most everyone said Hoops might have used undue influence to get the eventual outcome that came, a NOT FILED by the DA’s office.
The DA NEVER gave a legal reason for declining to file the report. Say an explaintion much like you gave. NOTHING as to his legal opinion on this matter.
DDA Glasser could very well be the same Glasser that worked right here in SB County as a DDA a few years back. I don’t know if they are the same, but if they are ANOTHER clue indeed.
But let us agree since we don’t know the speed at the time of collision per the report, it’s hard to argue that. I don’t know about you, but I am trying to get a copy of that report.
But no matter how you slice it, Hoops or his minions saying this was an unfortunate accident and Ms. Stout did nothing wrong before the MAIT report was completed is DUMB.
It sure as heck doesn’t sound like someone from SBSD made any attempt to contact the PRIMARY investigator in this case.
Thank you for the discourse JC.
A whole bunch of speculation going on here.
As a MAIT certified investigator all T/C’s that I investigated which resulted in death were sent by me to the DA for review. Now I am not a member of the Irvine PD so their protocol may differ but in my 22 years of experience with SBSD all, and I mean all, fatal T/C’s get sent to the DA for review
I added nothing to the report nor did I leave anything out.
The decision to prosecute or not rested solely with the DA.
There were investigations that clearly showed by the evidence and statements that the driver was not at fault and to this day I have a family that blames me for not getting a prosecution on a driver that did nothing wrong. Then there were investigations where people needed to go to prison and they did.
But again as to whether there was a prosecution or not did rest in my hands it rested with the DA.
I find it a hard stretch to think that Sheriff Hoops would influence the review of an investigation into the death of one of his own members to ensure that there was no prosecution. It seems more likely that he tried to reach out to all involved parties. What is the gain for Sheriff Hoops to influence the decision of the DA to not prosecute?
To watch you law enforcement officers, some of whom personally knew my wonderful husband, try to make her not at fault, so as to make what Hoops did all within bounds of normal behavior makes me sick. It is irrelevant whether she was found at fault, or prosecuted. In her interview, Taryn Stout states that Rod Hoops took her to lunch while she was under investigation, and gave her information that she then gave to the investigating Detective. The outcome is irrelevant!! If I attempt to rob a liquor store, but for some reason I don’t leave with any money, does it now make me innocent??? Forgive me, I am a Detective’s wife here, but you don’t have to succeed at the crime to be guilty of it, you only have to attempt it. Right?? In my opinion and the opinion of others that have read the report, her interview before her “lunch” told a much different story than her interview after the “lunch”. There were four reasons I decided to put myself out here with this story. One, for my husband, his truth deserves to be known, not some preliminary truth told by people who should not have spoken to the newspapers anyway. Two, for my children, my son Darren thanked me for speaking out, his Dad always taught him to do the right thing. He said to me recently that he doesn’t know how he would have gotten through this if I had not spoken up for his Dad. Three, I believe in our system, I am a Detective’s wife, I believe in our country, and I don’t believe public officials should be “lunching” with people under investigation. I find it odd that nobody questioned the explanation that she was more distraught because she hit an officer. Is his life worth more than someone else’s because of what he did for a living? Four, I did this for the other wives in the SBC Sheriff’s Department. We give up a lot to support our husband’s. We lose holidays with family. We don’t know when or if our men are coming home. So, when the worst happens, we deserve consolation, and in my opinion more consolation than the person under investigation. I will continue my pursuit of justice for Duane for the first three reasons. As for the fourth, to all that have supported me, I hope this helps your wives to never have to go through this. For all of you who get on here to defend the woman that did this, or the DA or the Sheriff, go home and look at your wife and imagine this was you. Is this what you want from your coworkers? Duane was a good man, and this would make him sick and anyone who knew him would know this to be true.
From Joe Nelson, the reporter who tweeted above, who has had the report and all the details for two months:
Hi, Jill! Sorry I didn’t get back to you yesterday, as I was bogged down with a story and interviews all day. We wrote up a draft of the story, but we and editors had reservations about story because, after interviewing Cuisimano and others, determined that the information we have is not strong enough to support your allegations, which are very serious, that Hoops and others at Sheriff’s Department acted iappropriately in the aftermath of your husband’s death.
Joe
I am fully convinced, if “Watergate” happened today, we would never know about it. The only “accusation” I made was that the lunch was strange. He even knew I did not get the memorial money. He could not even report the facts and let the reader decide. Your county is in real trouble. For that matter so is mine, a reporter for the Register ignored it also. If it weren’t for the blogs nobody would have a clue what is going on in your county. You certainly can’t count on the press to find out. I always knew that there were things that went on behind closed doors, but I thought if it was brought to the attention of the press or officials, someone would at least look into it. But, I am not going to stop. I have plans. And to the people who criticize me, well, you deserve the Government you have.
A favor to a friend just for starters.
Maybe some of you should go talk with Captain Bart Gray.
When your done with that, go talk with Lt. Bill Maddox.
Need more help, let me know.
No one is buying your story and your “expert” testimony LE Observer. You are the second person who has tried to imply that the family wanted the case taken to the DA. It is a fact that the Detective Jonathan Cherney, an internationally recognized auto and bicycle accident reconstruction expert, personally took the case to the DA on his own accord 2 times (possibly three at this point) because he believed strongly that Taryn Stout was guilty of misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter due to the negligence of her actions, or lack of actions thereof. So, let’s just put this one to bed for good.
And it’s already been well established that it is highly suspect and possibly illegal for Sheriff Rod Hoops to visit the daughter of a wealthy politically connected family in order to provide her with information about what occurred (In her interview, she said he told her information about what occurred) during an ongoing investigation. Why you guys keep arguing this as law enforcement officers is baffling. And it is way out of character and Hoops’ record for him to “reach out to all involved parties” (the same thing Cusimano told Joe Nelson…hmmm).
So, if you can, why don’t you read the comments above that aren’t “Hoop biased” because they make more sense than yours do. You are presenting like JustCurious, if you aren’t JustCurious pretending to be someone else. I have no idea at this juncture.
Regardless, this circus is absurd, and I hope most readers can see through the unintelligent, nonsensical posts such as those of JustCurious and our latest, LE Observer.
Joe Nelson u r a real pos!
God Bless u Mrs. Parkison and family/ friends…
… RIP Detective Duane
Anon – your rhetoric is well just that.
Again I repeat. The “Internationally recognized” detective has done his job and more in pursuing this case with the DA.
However, the crux of my post was to illustrate that prosecution of this case does not rest with the family, to which I never even implied, nor with Detective Cherney. It rests solely in the hands of the DA.
If you wish to proffer that the DA is not pursuing this case to the influence of Sheriff Hoops who is protecting the driver because she is allegedly ” a wealthy politically connected family” then so be it.
To use your phrase “No one is buying your story and your “expert” testimony” – at least not I and as it appears the newspapers as well.
Freakin Joe Nelson is a worthless reporter.
After talkin to Cusimano we decided!!!
I see he didn’t bother to talk with the Primary investigator?
Actually, the reporters and editor at the Sun did believe the story. And we have some correspondence to prove that. So, hopefully, I’ll soon be able to tell you about this, which actually makes this more suspicious. But, I’ll leave it to Mrs. Parkison to reveal what she has as she surprisingly did not mention it. Maybe for good reason.
To ACU, there is more incriminating info to give. I just can’t do it here. Hopefully, that’s obvious!!! I trust that if someone credible from this blog needs to contact Mrs. Parkison, they can?
And to LE Observer…nice try but no sale.
Thanks anon people are waiting to hear from Mrs. P. if she contacts them things will happen.
Now I just got a call from a friend.
Under SEBA’s insurance policy Mrs.P should have received $10-14k death benefit.
That needs to be checked out ASAP.
Mrs. Parkison states: “To watch you law enforcement officers, some of whom personally knew my wonderful husband, try to make her not at fault, so as to make what Hoops did all within bounds of normal behavior makes me sick. It is irrelevant whether she was found at fault, or prosecuted. In her interview, Taryn Stout states that Rod Hoops took her to lunch while she was under investigation, and gave her information that she then gave to the investigating Detective. The outcome is irrelevant!! If I attempt to rob a liquor store, but for some reason I don’t leave with any money, does it now make me innocent??? Forgive me, I am a Detective’s wife here, but you don’t have to succeed at the crime to be guilty of it, you only have to attempt it. Right?? In my opinion and the opinion of others that have read the report, her interview before her “lunch” told a much different story than her interview after the “lunch”…”
This is well said. I think Mrs. Parkison would make a great detective and Duane would agree.
And then she states: “Duane was a good man, and this would make him sick and anyone who knew him would know this to be true.”
This is sad.
I appreciate the civility and will read the release of any new information with great interest.
Wow, a lot going on since I last commented. I’d like to address some of the things said by JustCurious:
The damage does tell the story, and the detective who investigated the accident recommended charges of misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter after seeing the story told by the damage. For you to come in here and argue with Duane’s widow about this is disgusting. Why would you do this without even seeing the report? And why shouldn’t the family get behind the findings of the detective and fight for justice for Duane?
And this comment you made:
“…so if Hoops went there with the intention of having her change her story then he’s dumb…”
Are you kidding me?!?!?! If Hoops went there and did that HE IS A CRIMINAL!!! Don’t you think the family deserves an answer as to why HE MET WITH HER AND SHARED INFORMATION WITH HER? Consoling her does not include sharing information about an ongoing investigation. Because of that, the idea that he met with her to console her is very, very, very suspicious and hard to believe. People should have faith in their elected officials, especially their Sheriff! He needs to answer as to why he shared information.
You are offending people on here, and your apology for doing so is not accepted. It’s inauthentic, and it is obvious that you have an agenda. Do you get how obvious you are? Who would come into this conversation and argue what you are arguing? I’ll answer this question for you: Someone who wants to protect the Sheriff or Taryn Stout. Which one is it JustCurious?
And to LE Observer, it looks like you are here to protect the Sheriff. Forget whether or not he tried to influence the DA for a minute. Taryn Stout tells the Irvine detective during an interview that she not only met with the Sheriff, but that she was given information, some information came from Mrs. Parkison’s home the evening Duane was killed. She states the information in the report. ARE YOU F#$%ING OK WITH THIS?!?!?!? Who would look at that and think it is normal or acceptable? If you think this is ok, I hope you are no longer in law enforcement.
I am sure Hoops boys like Lutz and others are trolling on here with the support he thinks he needs. Hoops come out and tell the truth. For ONCE!!!!
From LE Observer:
“I find it a hard stretch to think that Sheriff Hoops would influence the review of an investigation into the death of one of his own members to ensure that there was no prosecution”.
I got everything you were saying until you said this.
You don’t post much, at least under this screen name, but I bet you read alot.
In light of the many stories on this blog about what Hoops and his minions have done to THEIR own at this point, has me shaking my head.
Hoops did attempt to protect and shield Captain Bart Gray and his wife from prosecution in the POST scandal, and many others.
Gray was allowed to pay the money back, then retire. But once the cat was out of the bag and Hoops TIT might get in the ringer, they threw Gray’s butt under the bus. DISREGARDED the agreement that was obvious to MOST of us.
Then Hoops and pals threw Bill Maddox under the bus for good measure, and they did not even interview that man. Kept that man on a string for at LEAST 6 months before dismissing charges that should have NEVER been filed if they had done their freakin job.
AND you think Hoops would draw the line just because one of his own died?
Would you like me to name a few more cases in the last several years that MIGHT make you rethink your above statement?
I was hoping a person with 22 years on the job might be able to tell us that Hoops REACHES out to people in situations like this ALL the time. Freakin Joe Nelson wasn’t even smart enough to ask that question.
Anyone bother to ask Chief Ortiz WHY he suddenly retired? ANY chance this incident might have anything to do with this incident in whole or in part? THAT is a question nothing else.
Now I see why SBSD personnel just got screwed in their contract. Some PEOPLE just don’t pay attention, that has become to OBVIOUS.
ACU,
I do not post much at all that is true but when I do I only use LE Observer – Sharon can confirm that.
I do read much and even your points about the POST issue still do not address the gain for Sheriff Hoops to sway and OCDA to not file in this case.
I even read in my research the far fetched speculation that this T/C could have been a “hit”.
From a distance what I see are individuals that desire prosecution and I understand that. You too must have encountered individuals that wanted prosecution but prosecution did not happen because the DA rejected the case for “In the interest of justice”, etc.
So my position is two fold it would seem. What was the gain for Sheriff Hoops to intervene in a matter to preclude or prevent prosecution? The next is that our system is set up in a three faceted program – Law Enforcement who investigate, the District Attorney who prosecutes, and the Judiciary who administer the Law.
In this instance Law Enforcement has investigated and believes that a crime has transpired. The District Attorney however disagrees and in that disagreement the second facet of prosecution is absent and in that absence the matter ceases to progress along to the third facet of the Judiciary.
This happens more times than many people know and you also know this to be true due to your time on at SBCD.
I appreciate the pain and suffering and understand the desire for a perceived sense of justice to transpire but the hurdle that needs to be overcome is the Orange County District Attorney’s Office. I do not think that hurdle will be overcome by anyone pursuing the tactic that some conspiracy has prevented prosecution form occurring.
ACU hit it on the head. What has Hoops done for SBSD. NOTHING!!!!
LEO, cool on using the same screen name.
Does there have to be a personal gain of some type, EVERY time Hoops does a favor for a friend? If that is the case here.
The good ol boy regime as it has exsisted for several decades is ALL ABOUT favors. The payback might come immediately or some time in the future.
The concept is simple. Hundreds of examples out there if your paying attention.
But before one argues what does Hoops or a friend gain, you SHOULD answer the other questions that come along with this scenario.
Is the Stout in this case related to former DA Dennis Stout of SB County in any way?
Is the DDA in Orange County who rejected this case Mr.Glasser, the same one who worked here in SB County?
Has Hoops established during his time with SBSD a pattern of getting with the other party involved in incidents such as this? Guess you could ask yourself did Hoops take the truck driver out to lunch who was just involved in the recent death of another detective?
The POST scandal proves the Hoops is capable of throwing one of his own under the bus as a FAVOR to someone else, or to protect himself and those around him.
I believe your question has been answered in several ways.
But with all these questions that have been raised YOU as an investigator of fatal collisions or an investigator of ANYTHING, would want to clear up these issues so they don’t come back to bite you at some time in the future.
When you dismiss the obvious as MANY is SBSO do, on simple to complex issues, someone comes along calls foul, proves it, most get butt hurt. It’s a game, play it by the rules you seldom have any worries.
A prime example of dismissing an issue like some are this one, is to THEM this doesn’t make any sense, so there is nothing to the allegations. FATAL flaw in my opinion.
Detective Roxanne Bessinger in her investigation of Deputy Orduno’s failure to report the sexual relation between another Deputy and a explorer is a fine example of NOT closing ALL the loopholes that exsist in allegations of misconduct.
Bessinger failed to obtain phone records between the explorer and Orduno to established a relationship OUTSIDE the addmissions either made during their interviews.
Dates and times were critical to establish a number of issues and it was not done.
Bessingers excuse for the most part, I didn’t think they were relevant. OKAY!!! Great answer when your going up against an attorney like Michael Schwartz. Guess Bessinger didn’t pay attention to the Ivory Webb case either.
Of course when hammered on about such an answer, she pretty much got pissed at defense counsel. TOO BAD!!!!
But I am sure there are others that will say that’s no big deal. I like dealing with those types, just give them some slack in the rope, they will hang themselves.
Yes you are correct on many cases not filed by the DA for many different reasons. It is what it is. BUT that is not the primary issue here.
But it does not explain away the other issues brought forth, and THAT is what most are concerned about.
There are those out there seeking the answers to these questions.
As I said before, many people could have found the answers to these quesitons months ago, avoiding the SECOND round of this debacle.
If they were of the same belief as you, fine, hopefully they won’t get butt hurt if some thing comes back to haunt them.
Thank you for the discourse.
LEO guess I should ask you to define what gain means to you?
I don’t know about anyone else, but to me, LE Observer’s tactics ate looking more and more absurd.
He keeps addressing the DA and prosecution to take the focus off the sheriff although mrs. Parkison and others, like ACU and Citizen, have aptly pointed out that the issue is that Hoops provided a woman under investigation for killing Duane with details about the accident during an ongoing investigation.
And, this is what Ruben Lozano addresses in his speech. He actually emphasized this very point in the speech.
Try to follow the topic LE. The broken record technique, the redirecting techniques, and the circular arguments that you have been employing (mention of prosecution, DA, the ridiculous “hit” comment etc) are obvious to most of the people on this forum.
Address why you think it’s okay that sheriff rod hoops gave information about accident details to Taryn Stout. That’s all anyone on here wants to know details about.
As Citizen stated, in case anyone missed it:
“Who would come into this conversation and argue what you are arguing? I’ll answer this question for you: Someone who wants to protect the Sheriff or Taryn Stout. Which one is it JustCurious?”
Now, LE, which one is it?
For Justcurious, I think it’s the sheriff.
I have been battling the lies of the stouts’ “friends” for months, sometimes to the point where they run away because they’ve been caught in a lie.
A “gain” can be many things I do not doubt that at all. Is this “Stout” related to the “Stout” you speak of – I looked but can not find that out.
I am not one to see a conspiracy unless there is one.
As for Anon – you do not see the issue at hand so I wish you well in your pursuit of this matter. It is your right and i do not begrudge nor find it negative, fruitless but not negative.
So Sad
Thousands of crooks go free every day because something is missing/wrong. That is just a fact of life in the criminal justice system. I would not have an issue with this case if that were all that was going on.
What makes this case stand out is Sheriff Hoops going to OC to lunch with the perpetrator. I want to know how many of you who are excusing this behavior have ever gone to lunch with a perpetrator to discuss the case. It is not like this is just Mrs. Parkison making the claim. The claim is made by the perpetrator in the verbatim transcription of the interview.
Add to that the last name of the perpetrator is Stout–a name very well known in the county–and this looks odd at best.
One other point I will make and that is Dennis Stout has been a reader of this blog for a long time. He even contributed some articles for the blog. If his name is being muddied needlessly, I would think he would call or email me. I haven’t heard from him. Of course, that doesn’t mean a lot, but it still surprises me.
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t Dennis the mayor of RC around the same time that Hoops was Captain? I certainly don’t know that for fact, but the two must know each other well either from Dennis being on the city council or from him being DA.
Anyway, this is all perplexing. I don’t buy Cusimano’s explanation at all nor can I think of a logical explanation other than Hoops doing a favor for a fellow politico and yet I think much more highly of Dennis than that. However, this simply does not pass the smell test.
The link of this “Stout” being a family member of the “Stout” remains unknown so to assume that this case reflects that Sheriff Hoops did a favor for a fellow politico is unfounded at this time.
There are many bogeymen for people to see and dust balls under the bed that can make one believe that things are not what they really are.
In the final analysis it is up to the Orange County District Attorney to move or not move.
Again, a far stretch to think that Sheriff Hoops has so much influence that he can sway the District Attorney of another County to do or not to do a prosecution.
Someone has to speak to reality I have only tried to to do that from another perspective.
Okay LEO,
Let’s take the Stout name out of it. Have you ever had lunch with a perp to discuss a case? Do you have a logical explanation for this behavior?
There may be no boogey man here, but I still want an explanation that cleans the air.
To Le Observer, I am going to say this very simply, if someone here can’t understand the following then they need to look at themselves and their own biases as to why.
1) The statute of limitations on charging her is up. The accident itself, it’s causes, and the result are useful in explaining the circumstances but our effort is not directed at having her charged. So, the OCDA is irrelevant at this point, it is not up to him to “move or not move”. Their relevance lies solely in discussing why they are not investigating this information exchange since they know about it.
2) Hoops’ motivations for the lunch, while suspicious, are actually irrelevant as well. The starting point is the investigation as to whether this “lunch” took place, who called who, is it legal, etc. The motives come from there, to figure out motives before and investigation is mere speculation.
3) The FACT is this: a woman under investigation states in a public document that a public official took her to lunch while she was under investigation, and GAVE HER INFORMATION ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION. She then gives this information back to the investigating agency during the investigation in her transcribed interview with the Detective.
4) Our question, is this legal? (not to mention is this ethical, is this behavior you condone from you public officials?)
5) If it is illegal, why aren’t the OCDA and the Irvine PD who knew the “lunch” took place investigating this lunch? Taking the word of the Sheriff’s Department that they were “consoling” her is not investigating the exchange of information.
6) Because, now everyone pay attention, Consolation is legal, INFORMATION may not be.
Administrator, feel free to share my e-mail with people you know and trust. I welcome their contact. I can see you grasp the core issue here while others dance around it.
LE Observer. It doesn’t make you look right because you take on an air of pomposity and are patronizing. Especially when you have been asked the same question by five people, have yet to answer it, and continue on with your broken record OCDA bent, designed to make readers believe we’re even discussing this with you. I’d ask the question again, but what would be the point as you don’t answer it. Stop having fun and games playing attorney at a poor widow’s expense. You know sharing information in this case was suspect, unusual and possibly illegal.
Fruitless was an interesting word choice. It describes most of your rhetoric. Along with the descriptors I already used.
First let me state I have no association or affiliation to the any law enforcement agencies or anyone involved in this accident. I am a concerned cyclist and these events are very troubling to me. So I investigated. All does not seem to be how it has been presented. There are numerous facts that are seemingly omitted from all the comments I have read on all the different social media. The driver of the car was within a couple of feet of the center yellow line to offer room for them both to share the road. The bicyclist got a flat front tire and as the car was about to pass lost control of his bicycle, flipped over the handlebars to his left and into the roadway directly in front of the car. In reality, the bicyclist lost control (a mechanical failure of the bicycle) and fell onto the roadway immediately in front of a vehicle that had already given a safe amount of room. These are the facts. As a cyclist, I always want to have more rights and more equality with other vehicles on the road. And we need to continue to fight for this. When a bike path is available, I ALWAYS use the bike path. I am not sure why this cyclist did not use the one available (I have ridden here a number of times and there is a bike path about 20 feet west of the roadway) – if he had, none of this would have occurred (I am not blaming the cyclist here – we have every right to be on the roadway). However, in this case, we need to look at the facts and understand that this was a horrible accident, caused primarily by a mechanical failure of the bicycle. It is indeed a tragedy for Mrs. Parkison and her family, but as a cycling community, we need to make sure we direct our efforts for justice where it is warranted, and I do not see this as one of those instances.
Chase, you got info, can you explain “lunch”???
And, Chase, Detective Cherney of the Irvine Police Department told me she “was so close she would have sideswiped him anyway” had he not fallen forward. So, you still think justice was not warranted? You are a family hack. You make me sick.
Hi Chase,
Although you have parts of the accident correct, you have many parts wrong, and Taryn Stout was found to be at fault for misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter due to the negligent actions she took that day. As a cyclist, I’m surprised you’re on here arguing this, but then again, I’m not surprised because her family members used to go on bike forums and post lies. One cyclist actually had to say “okay, then if he fell, she didn’t take the time to go around him.” This was a cyclist on a forum just trying to get a word in against friends and family that came on the site with false info. Interestingly, these supporters assured everyone on the site that the woman would not be charged or cited. One said “rest assured” and I to this day remember it because it struck me as an odd thing to say for an accident that only happened the day before. And look what’s happened.
Moving on, the detective determined that based on the evidence, Taryn Stout, and these are his own words, “would have sideswiped him anyways” had he not fallen forward and to the side. Mrs. Parkison and I have put this in many places. In fact, I have personally mentioned that he fell “forward and to the left 6-9 inches.” He did not defy the laws of physics and fly into the middle of the road as was told at some point during the investigation. Even a SBSD sergeant laughed at that one when speaking with Mrs. Parksion because the explanation defied the laws of physics.
She absolutely did not attempt a safe pass whatsoever. In fact, it would have been an illegal pass and one in which she would have “sideswiped him anyways.” Did you read the story of the little girl that I gave above. Well, that’s what happened to Duane in essence, so go back and read it. I took the detective’s summary and made an analogy.
Taryn Stout admits to seeing him several car lengths ahead and noted that he was struggling in one form (including a wobbling bike) or another based on which interview you’re looking at. She had six seconds to avoid him, either by slowing down and stopping for the struggling cyclist or by moving to centerline to attempt a safe pass (and even then I’m not sure if that would have been a legal pass but that’s besides the point). She did not move to centerline even though there was no oncoming traffic. The detective determined that if she had moved to centerline, she would have missed Duane by two feet, and he would still be alive (and this is with him falling forward and to the side 6-9 inches). That’s how close she was to him as he was riding and that’s how unsafe her pass would have been, and that’s why he concluded that she would have sideswiped him anyways. And, it’s a wide road.
This was an avoidable accident. Why she drove the way she did, I don’t know? If I were in her shoes, I would have pled guilty to the charges, gotten probation and community service, and considered myself a lucky woman. I would feel bad every day for the fact that I didn’t operate my vehicle legally around the cyclist. I wouldn’t do what she did. I wouldn’t compare him to an animal and tell the investigating detective that my husband tells me that I shouldn’t swerve for the animal in the road. I should just hit it. Oh there’s more and I’m more than willing to share it with everyone. I have the entire report.
I wouldn’t change my story two times. I wouldn’t use information I got from the Sheriff to tell the investigating detective details of the accident that I hadn’t known before. I wouldn’t have varying descriptions of the accident before I spoke with the Sheriff and after. I wouldn’t have told the investigating detective that his wife was supposed to be with him that day according to the sheriffs and if his wife had been there that day, then he would still be alive. I wouldn’t have said I was sure he was not turning left because I know where he lives because the Sheriffs told me so. I wouldn’t have asked the detective if there is a time limit for a ghost bike to be up so “I can move on” with my life. I could go on with more. She said she broke during one interview and then she just rolled at the next (she never broke even though she saw him fall). She said she swerved at the first interview and then eventually said she just “drifted” to give him a little space “or whatever.”
I’m just sitting here writing this to clarify the post above. I will probably have more info about the accident to give. More details about the varying interviews with quotes for acccuracy, the conclusions of the detective, the evidence from the scene diagram etc.
Just wanted to clear it up that there is a very valid reason that Detective Cherney recommended misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter. She was driving negligently given Duane’s position on the road and what she observed way beforehand.
If you really want to know what I think, it gets worse. And this is my opinion only. I think he was planning on coasting to the parking lot a few feet away to call Jill, and he saw her bearing down on him (remember how the detective concluded she should have sideswiped him anyways) so he made a defensive maneuver, but his bike pitched due to the flat that was occurring from thorns in his tire, and when he made the maneuver, he fell. She was so close to him, it’s crazy. I just don’t like to think about what he was thinking about before he saw her hit him.
I also know some other stuff about this woman, so I’m not surprised she changed her story. If it had to happen, I just wish it was someone nicer who hit Duane. He was a good guy. He deserves the truth and so does his family. Wow, that was hard to write.
Oh. And I can assure you that Chase does not represent the majority of cyclists out there. We have gotten much support from cyclists that know the story and cyclists in the shady canyon area. We’ve gotten the most support from cycling advocates, those that dedicate their life or part of their life fighting for cyclists’ rights. Just thought I’d head that one off. Now I feel like I’m on the bike forum again.
Can we just keep this blog on track? And I’m glad that Jill is being put in touch with someone here. She had no idea.
Sorry Chase, I should have said, IN MY OPINION, you are a family hack and you make me sick;-) Legalities and all. You all saw this, this is all MY OPINION. Now, keep going, the police report is in my hand for me to quote.
And by the way, cyclists are on the road there for legitimate reasons. And they’re on there quite often. She even mentioned it is quite common and it is. Let us hope that this isn’t the newest and latest reply to detract from the question at hand. How much more does Jill have to be put through? Someone said we’re a courageous family and I’m beginning to think we are. We’ll keep trying to make our way and if we never get the truth, we’ll know we tried for Duane.
Chase,
Thank you for that commentary, but I think you, like so many others commenting here, have totally missed the point.
Mrs. Duane Parkison, I feel your frustration. Seriously, the majority get it.
LE Observer you need to stop! You only assume in everything you say. Did Sheriff Hoops do a favor for a fellow politico, probably. If not why did he go there?
Your dumbass statement, “There are many bogeymen for people to see and dust balls under the bed that can make one believe that things are not what they really are,” proves you are a Hoops shit eater boy.
It appears that Hoops has contacted the District Attorney of another County. This is very wrong.
LEO you do not speak reality but shit. Go back to the balding, fat loser and suck off. You have disrespected this family and if you are a cop, anyone who wears a badge has no respect for you. If you are not a cop you are just a fool who follows this idiot we will say is probably Pig Face Hoops.
http://bikinginla.wordpress.com/2012/08/03/justice-denied-in-orange-county-lippman-ghost-bike-removed-and-christine-dahab-misses-her-court-date/
Interesting replies in this link worthy of reading.
Also, in one of the posts above in this blog, it is already mentioned that he fell forward off his bike and to the left 6-9 inches and that if he had not fallen, she would have sideswiped him anyways. And it was also mentioned that if she had gone to centerline, she would have not hit him and she had six seconds to do this. What occurred does not sound like safe passing and any cyclist should know this. It’s a long blog now, but you need to read.
Chase the only way you would know all that is to have read the accident report. SO??
Your social media investigation is no different as to the facts right or wrong than what is being said right here.
I don’t buy your not connected to law enforcement line. Maybe connected to Ms. Stout, that’s fine.
The findings of the investigator are not in question here.
What is questioned has been read directly from the report that was supplied by Mrs. P. herself.
If a lawsuit has been filed or will be filed, many EXPERTS will give their opinions for and against this case.
Mud will be slung I am sure. Ms. Stout will be more exposed to her part in this accident than she is now.
Sheriff Hoops and ALL his actions will be brought forth. So could the DA’s for that matter.
If a jury thinks Hoops and Stout tried to unduly influence this case in anyway, I’d bet money Ms. Stout will be writing a fat check.
At the present time watching the
public and how they are reacting
to corruption involving elected
officials I’d be more worried about the civil aspects of this case.
@ Anon- I never argued with Duane’s wife I simply stated that the DA will not file unless they know they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt. I never said it wasn’t the driver’s fault. I never excused the actions of Hoops. But see I don’t simply assume things. I was arguing the point of the PCF’S and whether they rose to the elements of Manslaughter. Just because the detective thought they did doesn’t mean it did. I’ll take the Trayvon Martin case for instance. The detective recommended charges if im not mistaken. Did the DA file? No. The only reason the feds filed was because of public pressure. When she loses that case then you’ll see reasonable doubt.
@Chase- there’s always more to a story…It’s would be nice if the MAIT report would be made public maybe in PDF so we could all read it. Im sure its done and available to someone.
At JC…if Chase was your reason for coming back on here to poke at me, I’ll refer you to all the posts directed at you not written by me, and know that your response is dead in the water.
Thank you Blasé and others for visiting from time to time to assure Jill that the majority see the truth after the Hoops and/or Stout group have spread their defensive propaganda.
I think “the concerned cyclist” of the “cycling community” is the latest tactic (Wonder what the next one will be?). But it’s very obvious. And it’s a little odd to post the day after cycling advocates celebrated the passing of the 3 foot law bill in the state senate.
Please do not misunderstand – this was a terrible tragedy and nothing that is done from last year forward will bring Duane back. His loss will forever be with his family and words cannot express their grief. But I would like to respond to a few of the comments:
@ Mrs. Parkison: I never meant any disrespect to you or your husband’s memory. We may just disagree on some points. I have no idea about the lunch. I am seldom in Riverside County, instead splitting my time on Orange and (primarily) San Diego County. I have never before heard of Hoops, and do not know enough about the circumstances to make a judgment on the investigation. But there seem some facts that don’t match. You state that she was so close she would have hit him anyway, and then refer to a statement she made about moving towards the centerline when she saw him – both cannot be accurate. There are many of these types of points and I do not think it will be clear until we can review the police report. Someone mentioned it was several inches thick, so there is clearly far more information than is currently being circulated. If you publish the report you have, it would allow us all to be completely on the same page. And, no I am neither law enforcement nor a “family hack”. Just looking for justice as well.
@ Anon: I find it interesting that you stated the driver was “found at fault”, but no charges were laid. I still believe in the system in this country, the police investigate, the DA prosecutes and the courts render decisions. According to the laws as I understand them, she is still considered innocent until a court has found otherwise, no? Again, it seems there is a lot of different information about the specifics of the accident. Why does your sister not publish the report so everyone can fully support her claims (as they are backed up by the report)? Or leave the driver alone if, as the DA seems to feel, she did not warrant being charged? I cannot understand why this is not done.
Before anyone continues in blind accusations against me and my motives, please understand I have no interest in either side. It is an emotional issue, and one we need to see the complete truth come out. I do understand this situation. It was just one year ago yesterday I tragically lost my Dad. So I do understand.
Mrs. Parkison I am so so sorry that you feel Hoops and our Department has dropped the ball. I am sure it’s true and want to say I hope you get this information out to the press.
I knew Duane and he was a good man. This thread seems to keep coming back to one issue…Lunch. I see that as a very minor part of this sad story. I mean really…Lunch?
The other things that concern me much more than lunch would be:
– The numerous people who collected funds in Duane’s name that apparently dissapeared and should have gone to his family. That is despicable.
– The fact that the Sheriff, SEBA, and department members in general failed to offer comfort, assistance, and friendship to Mrs.Parkison.
– A conviction for misdemeanor manslaughter, where the suspect would likely get community service and probation, will not likely give Mrs. Parkison the comfort and satisfaction she seeks.
Go ahead folks…beat me up for my remarks.
To IE, I think I understand where you are coming from, but it is actually an issue and not everyone is going to understand. For some people, it’s obvious and to others it’s not, and you may need to sit down with the facts to get it. What’s important is that the majority of people see it clearly, and we’re working on it and it’s the right thing to do. As for your comment on the funds, I agree with you. It is pretty bad, isnt it? We were so shocked by the other suspect behavior, we lost sight of how wrong that was. Also, Jill just assumed nobody donated. Sad, huh?
Also, to be clear, I think the admin and ACU know that Jill just discovered she could be connected to ACU regarding the report and help, so hopefully, this will happen soon. I am waiting for the contact info to pass to Jill or Jill can be emailed also. Her connecting with some of the others on this site would be preposterous. There will likely be a website in the future with the report in PDF format but I’m not going to expand on that yet.
Chase: I am truly sorry for your loss. I know that loss myself. Very sad. However, I have to say that I don’t believe that you’re not connected somehow. I’m not alone in this thought. That’s just the way it goes.
What I wrote above makes sense and if you can’t understand the dynamics of an accident scene investigation, what can I say? The detective told Mrs. Parkison that she would have sideswiped him anyways if he had not fallen forward off his handlebars and slightly to the right. Stout wasn’t close to centerline and she could have easily been if she moved her car there. He was allowed to be where he was and she wasn’t driving according to the rules and conditions of the road. I’m only giving you the evidence in the report. If you don’t believe the detective’s analysis, that’s your choice. Maybe you do need to read a report to understand. I’ve been to the scene myself. I’ve read the analysis. I’ve seen the markers, the outline in the road. I’ve seen cars move to centerline and miss the spot with ease. Someday you’ll get the report. Nothing to hide on Jill’s end. Now, if I were the woman who hit him, I’d be embarrassed if that report came out, but that’s just me. I already said I’d own up and just tell one story…the truth.
IE you keep coming back with the same crap under AKAs. Hoops should have never went to lunch with a suspect you dumbass. Read the thread idiot! This is the wife of a deputy and he goes and sees the killer. NO BIG DEAL? WTF!!! Why would you disrespect Mrs.Parkison if you loved her husband so much? Liar! This is the type of shit eater you get with non leaders like Hoops. They will never stop.
@ anon- its dead in the water because there is nothing to argue about…like chase said post the report in full..I’m sure the administrator wouldn’t mind
Thanks B2V. Sincerely.
JC or whoever you are, are you scared to address the other posters and what everyone else wrote to you, so you’re focusing on me and “Chase” the “concerned cyclist?” Can you focus on their questions to you please. Your approach of focusing on me shows weakness.
And read the middle of my last post for your answer regarding the report. Guess you missed it a few posts before that.
And as many people are beginning to realize, there is more to the story than just the report. There were witnesses to other inappropriate actions taken by Hoops and Ortiz.
Here are some useful links for any legitimately concerned parties because the link put up by jc_red expired.
The links below are for the speech given to the Irvine City Council but they do give additional info on actions taken by Ortiz and Hoops. As mentioned in the speech, there are witnesses to their actions.
Click on public comments PDF to see the text version of the speeches given to the Irvine City Council:
http://www.irvinequickrecords.com/SIREPUB2/meeting.aspx?cabinet=published_meetings&docid=1034875
To see the video, click on it and the speech will be around the 2:00 mark. Yes, the 2 hour mark.
http://www.irvinequickrecords.com/SIREPUB2/mtgviewer.aspx?meetid=4339&doctype=AGENDA
Home page:
http://www.irvinequickrecords.com/SIREPUB2/home.
So B2V…anyone who presents an alternate point of view is a “idiot, dumbass, Hoops boot licker, and liar”? You are a very articulate representative of the issue. Thanks for being you.
YES anon, I’d love to get a copy of the complete report for many reasons. Mrs.P can get Sharon’s address, send here a copy of that report when she gets around to it, would be great.
I have a couple of other folks lurking in the shadows who would like to see it also.
Well IE since you have an alternative view on the LUNCH issue, tell us how many times Hoops has done lunch with the SUSPECT in ANY situation to console them, it would be nice to know.
YES really lunch. Hoops taken Deputies suspected of crimes out to lunch say prior to their appearance in court?
Ask Deputies Boros and Orduno if they were taken to LUNCH by the Executive Staff if not Hoops while their trials were in progress.
An alternative view, REALLY???
I must say IE is an idiot and must be Hoops Butt boy. Suck On Creep. B2V you outted this idiot. Along with JC or Lutz wants everyone to stop talking about dear Hoops. When will the board of sups look into this crime?
IE, YOU DO NOT presents an alternate point of view. You talk shit so yes you are an “idiot, dumbass, Hoops boot licker, and liar”! Lunch time beoutch.
B2V…Please accept my heartfelt apology. I don’t know what I was thinking. If everyone thought like you the world would be a better place. Thanks for being you.
IE 99 percent of those on this thread think like me. Anytime slug!
I was reading through “Chase the Concerned Cyclist’s” second post and read it to someone else to point out a suspicious statement and in the process, found others which make me believe he is likely a Stout associate and not some stray cyclist that happened upon IE politics:
Chase writes “But there seem some facts that don’t match. You state that she was so close she would have hit him anyway, and then refer to a statement she made about moving towards the centerline when she saw him – both cannot be accurate. There are many of these types of points”
We never even said this. You and she are the one who said she was a few feet from the centerline, and moving toward it. We didn’t. We just said what the detective stated based on scene evidence, which is she was so close to him she would have sideswiped him anyways (not safe room for a pass) and she did not move to centerline to avoid him even though she had six seconds to do this. She changed her story. We didn’t.
Chase writes: “If you publish the report you have, it would allow us all to be completely on the same page.”
You are the one giving some true pieces of information from the report and some false statements. Do you have it? Or are you going off of a false account given to you by the driver? She gave a few to the police. Which one are you referring to?
Chase states: “Again, it seems there is a lot of different information about the specifics of the accident. Why does your sister not publish the report so everyone can fully support her claims (as they are backed up by the report)? Or leave the driver alone”
You are the one posting falsities on behalf of Stout, not me. Why? YOU are the only person HERE to identify Jill as my SISTER even though you just came on here “concerned.” You belie yourself. Why are you telling me to leave the driver alone? I’ve done nothing to Taryn Stout but speak about what has occurred during the investigation of Duane’s death. She chose her actions. I didn’t. I think she knows it. If you don’t, I feel sorry for you. Like I said once before, in my opinion, her parents attempted to buy her innocence, but they only succeeded in buying her freedom from prosecution. If Duane’s family and MANY others see the corruption and seek to expose it, this is a good thing. If the truth about someone’s life is exposed in the process, don’t blame me. There is nothing wrong with seeking justice even if you’re not going to get it and there’s nothing wrong with fighting for the good, even if it doesn’t come to pass.
I must say that I am amazed by the responses to this thread, both the content and quantity. It shows me that, statistically, some people are quite threatened. I think Blasé would understand what I mean by this.
Sorry so long everyone. To ACU, I hope the admin passed on your contact info to Jill. I told her she could give it to me when she mentioned it, and I would. Keep me posted!
Anon, you are Right again. However, easy readings are seldom long………..
Anon no worries on Chase, that subtle comment on they were just a concerned cyclist’s made me laugh.
Don’t worry about the Hoops supporters and their alternative viewpoints on this. I have debated more than a few like them on other issues in person.
They don’t do any better in person than they do punching the keyboard. But it is nice to ask questions while looking one in the eye. But I respect anyone from the oppossing force who has the fortitude to defend their position in person.
As the Administrator pointed out a couple days ago, it is strange former District Attorney Dennis Stout himself if not posting a comment here telling the world he is not related to the people involved in this incident. He did not sent an email either. That silence is telling.
Until the VERY basic questions are answered as to WHY Hoops did what he did are answered, everything else is pointless. The actual facts to the collision and who did what is secondary to the other questions that need to be answered.
Hoops and his minions NEVER expected Mrs.P or her friends to put two and two together and call foul on this incident. SHIT happens when you ASSUME no one is paying attention.
The administrator has my permission to pass my phone number or email to Mrs.P. I’d like to ask her some questions and encourage her to get in contact with some people who might be able to get some of those other questions answered.
I hope some one from SEBA contacted Mrs.P regarding the information I put out about her being entitled to some money from an insurance premium that SEBA carry’s on their members.
We here at iepolitics simply wait for the next questionable action by our beloved Sheriff Rod Hoops en company.
I must also say and there are many exceptions, but having dealt with folks from Orange County who have a higher level of income and status in their communities has always been a challenge and adventure.
Their sense of entitlement DOES stand out when comparing them to those around here. Just an observation from personal experience.
I hope Mrs.P will tell us that some one from SBSD or SEBA has been in contact with here in the last couple of weeks.
Has anyone called you Mrs. Parkinson?
Excerpt from report:
Cherney: When you say leaning to his left, what do you mean by that?
Stout: Well, you know, if you’re on a bicycle and you’re like this and he’s looking, cuz he was looking down to his left, so his body weight, I guess that’s what I mean, his body weight which shifted to his left side.
Cherney: Okay, cuz my question was…
Stout: Not like…
Cherney: Did he look like he was making a left turn to go…
Stout: No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No. Not at all and, and from you know what I understand from the Sheriffs he was riding home and…
Cherney: So, his path of travel…
Stout: …his home is off of A**** so he wouldn’t have been making a left hand turn there for any reason.
If anyone here from Law Enforcement thinks that during an investigation it is OK to answer a question from an investigating detective with information you got elsewhere, then you need to go work at the Jail, or Trans, or Public Affairs. If you think this does not compromise the investigation, then you have no business investigating anything. The Detective was looking for her to answer from her own memory and perceptions, not from information she got elsewhere(inappropriately or illegally). Direction is everything in a TC. If you in Law Enforcement think it is OK to have “lunch” with a public official that got his information in the capacity of “professional courtesy”, and then relay it back to help your story, then you need to turn in your badge and go work parking lot security. What’s odd is I stated I did not know where he was going, so how did they know he was going home, did someone make this up? Now, go read “obstruction of justice” and remember, you don’t have to succeed in the crime to be guilty of committing it. Thankfully, there was physical evidence the Detective used, not just statements.
To ACU, there were two benefits I got, one more and one less than the amounts you mentioned. One was for off duty burial assistance, the other an insurance policy. I have not heard from SEBA except for an e-mail the day after with some numbers to call. Nobody from SEBA or SBSD has contacted me in the last couple of weeks. I haven’t checked my e-mails yet to see if anyone has contacted me through the administrator but I will.
To Chase, maybe if the facts don’t match, you got the wrong facts? In my opinion, what you relayed is pretty much her second interview explanation(not the interview the day of, or at the scene, but after the “lunch”) But, you are asking for the police report, which tells me you have not seen it so you are not close enough to the family to have it shown to you. So, since you got this directly or indirectly from the family I suggest you ask them to see it. I did not give you details other than what you have read here and elsewhere. The Irvine Police to my knowledge has only released the report to the affected parties, and the Irvine Police do not allow their Detectives to give interviews. So, your information had to have come from her side directly or indirectly(someone thought they had the full details and told them to you) So, if you want to read it, go ask the Stouts. And, by all means, why don’t YOU have them send it to the administrator if they want it out here. Not that it matters toward the real reason for this thread, the statute of limitations is up on charging her. I am looking into the “lunch” so the investigation is really not relevant, as others have stated.
@Mrs. Parkison
When you make statements about deputies who should go work in the jail, trans, public affairs, you are attacking the wrong people. Have you ever worked in any of those places ? Has or did a member of SBCSD bad mouth people in these assignments ? I understand you are very upset and I support you ! I will contiue to support you BUT when you bad mouth deputies who have done nothing to you or your husband, you should not expect deputies in the jail,trans, public affairs to support you. Deputies in thoses places are not your enemy. Just because a deputy works in the jail,trans,public affairs, does not always mean they don’t know how to conduct investigations.
I’m very upset about actions taken by some people after your husbands death, during the investigation and YES the LUNCH ! You deserve answers to your questions. I hope you can get some justice in civil court. I would also like to read the accident report.
Take Care and Keep Fighting
To Just a Deputy, I apologize if I offended you or anyone else. I am simply saying to those that do not see a problem that maybe they need to go somewhere that they won’t have to investigate crime. I understand the system, my husband worked in it, and I know most of you work very hard, and are very honest, for frankly not enough pay or recognition. But, there are law enforcement people on here arguing very strongly that what happened is not a problem. That has been shocking. Those people have no business investigating crime for the public.
Mrs P. thanks for your answer to me.
For some in SBSD who continue to challenge the investigative aspects of this case I suggest you be quiet, cause Mrs.P has done her homework or got some fine advise along the way. Much like members of the Rocha Family did when they hammered away at that incident.
You NAILED it Mrs.P, ANY information obtained through the “professional courtesy” one would get from an allied agency that was SHARED with the SUSPECT, PRIOR to her official interview or re-interview is DEAD wrong in many ways.
For what it’s worth Mrs.P, there have been investigations and disciplines for similiar acts over the years in SBSD. Another fine example of the double standards around here.
I am sure if we dug into SBSD files I bet we might even find a prosecution or two for “obstucting justice” interfering with an ongoing investigation what ever.
I hope you have obtained a personal injury attorney, I have to believe there are a few lawyers standing in line to handle this case. If not let us know we can do some inquiries for you.
The Irvine PD Detective may not be able to give an interview to the local paper or Joe citizen, but he WILL when giving a subpeona for deposition.
His opinions and conclusion will be allowed. I bet he has a lot to say if ASKED the right questions.
I was told by an anonymous poster here on the blog that I did not put the following update in the correct place. So while this is about the fund, and not my speech to the BOS, I guess this is where it should go. Administrator, if possible, please remove all of my posts from the “Laughlin Incident” blog entry.
Here is an update on the fund collected for my family: I received a call yesterday from the coworker of Duane’s that established the fund at the Arrowhead Credit Union. This man had received a call from the credit union inquiring about the fund(I had called the credit union the week before to obtain information and they told me they would ask the station). I returned his call, and he said to me that he had been told at the time that I had said that I wanted the fund money to go to Sgt. Phill Dupper’s charity “Gift of Love” that my husband had participated in. He was told that I did not want the fund money. I told him that I absolutely did not say that, but that I did say that if anyone called to send flowers to the service that they could direct them to that charity instead(flowers die and go to waste, I thought that something Duane believed in would be better). This coworker told me that when the time came to disperse the memorial fund, Sgt. Phill Dupper did not want the money, he said the “Gift of Love” had enough that year. Duane’s coworkers thought maybe they would give it to the church instead, but they never did. The money is still there, but since there may be an investigation as to what happened to it, he could give it to me when that was completed.
To Just Curious- since now I know that you are in the upper ranks of the department, can you tell them to give me the fund money that was collected from the public for my family?? It has been almost three months since I was told it was being investigated. If nothing was done wrong, why is it taking so long to investigate?? Do you have anything to say on behalf of the department about this?? Please, give us a reasonable excuse for this behavior if you can. You avoided the topic of the depos, so I don’t expect an answer. But, since you have some power there, tell them I would prefer not to have to sue the County over this, but I will, and soon. And, please pass on that I want an accounting from the bank now as well since the behavior of a few members of your department has been so unethical.
Mrs. Parkison I’m sorry you’ve been led to believe I am someone other then a deputy sheriff because that is all I am. People on this blog assume I’m something other then that because I don’t go along with their complaints about the department. I’m sorry they led you down that wrong path.
As far as your situation, I am sorry for you loss, I again was not referring to you and your transcripts. I was talking to the other person who posted on another article. The investigation still continuing after only 3 months is not uncommon. If you have have been wronged then you have every right to sue. I have never condoned Hoops meeting with the other lady. I said it probably was not a good idea. All I merely said about the situation is that most cases that get sent to the DA regarding vehicular manslaughter don’t get filed unless there is extenuating circumstances, ie; DUI, gross negligence and so forth. That’s all I said. I’m sorry if you have been led to believe otherwise or believe that I am against you or that I am anything higher then a Deputy. I am not. I hope you get your money and I hope you get it quick.
OK, Just Curious, fair enough, I apologize if I misjudged you. As for me being led down the wrong path, I thought you might be a higher up before ACU said you were Paul Cook, so the blame for my assumption is on me(I think Cook was the name) My husband was not one for workplace politics, so he did not bring a lot of it home. And when he did, I did not know the people so only some of the names are familiar. So, I get my opinions from the blog. And when I say from the blog, I don’t mean what people say about people, but also how they interact, and what conversations they comment on and then those that they don’t. Posts will be put up at the same time as others, yet people will choose to comment on some and not others. It’s interesting actually, and I do it to get information for my cause, and it has worked, I have gotten a lot of good help and advice that I truly appreciate. So, by some of your behavior I thought you might be higher up than you admitted and then when ACU said that you were I figured he could be right.
I hope I get my money soon too. I really want to sever any type of ties with the Department. I will always be very proud of the work Duane did, but I really want to forget it was your department that he did the work for after the way he was betrayed. I will pursue justice for him to the last agency I can think of, and I will use his story and allow others to use the story so that this type of thing never happens again. Other than that, I want your department to be just a bad memory I bury in the back of my mind. My husband was so much more than a deputy, and I will remember him that way.
“I hope you get your money and I hope you get it quick”…
I KNEW that’s what this was about. That comment made it very clear for all of us.
Someone feels guilty that they were an unfaithful, pretentious whore and they’re using their dead husband’s name for monetary gain.
What kind of loving wife tries to get money out of a situation involving their husband dying??
Good reply Mrs. P. but like everything else you have
dealt with, how much credibility do you put
in with those who hide behind the keyboard ?
Those who believe in what they type, should
also be person enough to go face to face just
like you have over Duane’s death,
How much help would you have gotten or credibility
gained from using a screen name like JC?
Just my thoughts.
Just Curious is a liar!!! He took up for Hoops and is a liar. He is not a deputy.
If Just Curious was a deputy he would have said the promotional system and the last promotions were screwed. Instead he said John McMahon was doing a great job like Hoops and the promotional system is fine. Go ask a deputy and they will tell you the system is broken.
Cook sucked his way to the place he is.
909 u are full of shit…do you actually read what you type…show me where I said the promotional system is fine…what I said was unless you’re going to do something about it then stop whining because that’s all you’re doing..,no wonder you haven’t been promoted…you probably whine just as much as you do on here
ACU, I never figured I would get real help. I didn’t think I would get help out of any concern for me. But, I figured if he is a higher up then maybe he could get on the phone and get someone to just send me a check and an accounting to avoid a lawsuit. Notice I said “I apologize IF I misjudged you.” And I do IF I did, but I still don’t believe he is just a deputy. I would love to sue the County, if it were a real lawsuit about what was done wrong, but I don’t want to have to sue them over this. From what Duane has said over the years, I don’t believe the Detectives in charge of the fund did anything wrong on purpose. But, like I said, I want to tie up lose ends, and I could use the money, it was after all meant for my family.
@ faithful, what monetary gain made it clear for “all of you”?? According to the law, one has a year to sue a government entity. It has been more than a year so I can’t sue the County for anything other than that fund. That fund was from the public, for my family, so are you insinuating I don’t have a right to it?? That fund was three thousand dollars, two months of medical insurance premiums, hardly enough to dedicate my life to receiving. Where else do you think I am trying to get money from? This is for justice, there is NO MORE MONEY.
You are truly a sick individual hiding behind a keyboard. This has sunk to new lows. I have never in my twenty years of marriage given myself or my heart to anyone but my husband. This is a quest for justice for him. I know that is hard for some members of your corrupt department to understand. Maybe “all of you” should come out from behind the keyboard and fight for him too if you cared about him at all.
faithful, u r in a group of 1 idiot. Sure hope you aren’t law enforcement, but if you are, you should be ashamed of yourself, u dumbass!
Faithful, so a bunch of deputies and citizens donate to a fund for her husband but she never gets the money. She wants the money to help with bills and things and you call her a whore? You are probably a member of the Executive Staff you worthless pile of dung. It is people and opinions like yours that is ruining the Department.
WOW now we have executive staff members calling widows whores. This is the way of McMahons SBSD. Call it a day, this place sucks.