I received an email tonight from someone claiming that a friend has been wrongly accused and has spent a couple of months in jail. I asked for more information. I am sitting in a Denny’s and cannot view the video but am posting it for all of you to decide and comment:
Here is the link to the website: JavierRochaIsInnocent
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I am sorry, I am not sure if it was the link or my connection but I did not catch what he was arrested for……. Clearly there is a lot of questions that I would have to have answered to comment about the rights and wrongs and in and out’s of his case. There is many views and perceptions to an event, and clearly this is his perception. If I were making a video such as this, I would cut and paste the clips that help my case too. However, I will say this, if what he is saying is true, the brother will have his day in civil court, which is the remedy available to him when he is released.
In general, in the County of San Bernardino, it is clear that bad behavior, lies, cover ups etc will continue until the check book runs out of checks because those in control just don’t seem to get it.
You would think someone attempting to disprove the creditability of the Sheriff’s Department and says “I am standing outside the West Valley Detention Center” would actually be standing outside the West Valley Detention Center, not the Central Detention Center.
Yes, he will have his day in court. The truth will eventually come out. The issue here is that since day one the Sheriff’s office has had access to the evidence that they had arrested an innocent man yet chose to ignore it. The D.A. has offered him several “deals” in an attempt to make this go away. I have to believe that at this point everyone involved has figured out they screwed up and they are trying to figure out a way out without leaving egg on their face. Too late.
The only thing the Rocha family has asked for is fairness. A fair, impartial look at ALL the evidence in the case. They didn’t get it. Instead, they have had an almost two month, daily battle to get ALL of the facts in the case examined. Again, facts that have been available since DAY ONE!
The police report is available for download at http://www.JavierRochaIsInnocent.com. Read it and compare it to the video and decide for yourself.
Wow,
After watching this video I was sick to my stomach. It is so sad to see that an innocent person was jailed when he didn’t do anything. If you ask me it is clear that the video from the incident and the video that involves the questioning contain 2 different men. In the video from 7:13am the man looks smaller in build and shorter than the man in the video at 10:01am.
If I can tell the difference I do not see why trained police men can’t see the difference. If they couldn’t see the difference it would leave me to believe they ignored evidence and took an 18 year old boy to jail over something his brother did.
To the comment above me. That building behind the man named Martin Rocha in the beginning of this video is the “West Valley Detention Center.” I have been there, it’s on Rialto avenue in San Bernardino if you do not believe it. I’m not sure why you are trying to attack these people and their video. Look at the bigger picture. It is horrible that there is corruption to this level.
I am Martin Rocha. My brother is in jail over something he didn’t do. I did cut and paste pictures to show the differences between my brother and I. But I also slowed down the actual video to show that there is NOTHING TO HIDE! I am aware that he will have his day in civil court, but right now my concern is that he gets out of jail. Please understand that people typically do not step forward with video surveillance and talk to the national media possibly incriminating themselves if they are not guilty. My brother has been asking for the video tapes to be carefully reviewed by the office of the DA and enhanced. Guilty people do not ask for videos to be enhanced.
As to the person attacking my credibility based on what I called the jail, I apologize. Thank you for correcting me, I had never been there before. I believe that is what Google called it.
I want to thank everyone for their support and attention to my brother’s situation.
-God Bless, Martin Rocha.
It would be interesting to know from START to FINISH what happened in this case. Trying to piece it together is difficult. A neighbor dispute seems to be the theme.
What are the charges against this young man? Sounds like felony charges if he has been in jail that long. Bail denied?
But in order to be critical of SBSD or any other LE agency, the WHOLE story is important. I do see a familiar face speaking for SBSD. Would that be Captain Ells???
The WHOLE story is certainly NOT needed to be critical of the law enforcement agency involved in a situation.
To be responsibly critical of law enforcement, one need only know about the facts related to particular sheriff actions that are being criticized, e.g. whether a suspect is guilty or not is irrelevant to determine whether a deputy produced a false report or worse, purposely attempted to deceive (lied) on the report.
Numerous Sheriff Deputy Reports and other materials about the Rocha case apparently from discovery have been posted in a large PDF at the website Sharon publicized.
Perhaps commenters here could read them before posting comments here:
http://javierrochaisinnocent.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Rocha-PDF1.pdf
Inmate Information
Booking #: 1202300142 Sex: MALE
Name: ROCHA, JAVIER ANDRES Alias:
DOB: 06/02/1993 Age: 18 Height: 6’02″
Weight: 215 lbs Eyes: BROWN Hair: BLACK
Arrest Information
Arrest Date: 02/02/2012 20:28 Bail: BAILABLE
Arrest Location: 975 HOSPITAL RD Arrest Agency: TWIN PEAKS STATIO
Current Housing Information
Housing Facility: CENTRAL DETENTION CENTER
Inmate Mailing
Address: ROCHA, JAVIER ANDRES
1202300142
CENTRAL DETENTION CENTER
630 EAST RIALTO AVE
SAN BERNARDINO, CA 92415
Release Date:
Released To:
Charges
Case # Charge Court Date Status/Bail
MSB1200275 PC245(A)(1)
FORCE/ADW NOT FIREARM:GBI
PC368(C)
STEAL/DPNDNT ELDR ADULT +$400
PC664/484(A)
* DESCRIPTION UNAVAILABLE * San Bernardino Superior
03/28/2012 0830 Dept: 14 $75000
Case MSB1200275 Defendant 3786246 ROCHA , ANDREW JAVIER
Action: RECALL CALENDAR Date: 03/26/2012 Time: 8:30 AM
Division: S14R Hearing Status: DISPOSED
JAMES M DORR, J-JUDGE
CLERK: DIANNA AGUILAR
BAILIFF K PHILLIPS
APPEARANCES
DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY K CAIN PRESENT.
ATTORNEY RT CHRISTOPHER PERSAUD PRESENT.
DEFENDANT PRESENT IN CUSTODY.
PROCEEDINGS
ACTION CAME FOR JURY TRIAL
PEOPLES MOTION TO CONTINUE IS GRANTED.
DEFENSE COUNSEL HAS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL DISCOVERY AND NEEDS TO PROVIDE COPIES TO THE PEOPLE
HEARINGS
TRIAL READINESS SET FOR 03/29/2012 AT 8:40 IN DEPARTMENT S14.
DEFENDANT ORDERED TO APPEAR ON HEARING DATE.
JURY TRIAL TO COMMENCE 4-2-12
TIME WAIVERS
TIME WAIVER PREVIOUSLY GIVEN.
TIME WAIVED TO 03/29/2012.
SET LAST DATE FOR TRIAL TO 03/29/2012.
CUSTODY STATUS
CASE CUSTODY – IN CUSTODY
============= MINUTE ORDER END ================
Looks like he is scheduled for a jury trial…. I don’t know what to make of this…..
I am not sure because a photo that appears to have been taken during the booking process shows your brother wearing what appears to be a hoody the same type as you were wearing when this incident happened.
The photo is a blurred black and white photo so could you tell me if he was wearing a white hoody at the time of arrest and if so was that yours.
I don’t see what the big deal is. You have video surveillance with no time stamp. The video is from a distance. You have a victim who positively identifies the suspect who she personally knows. If anything your issue is with the victim and not the Deputy or the Sheriff’s Department.
You are lucky he didn’t get the Kephart treatment.
Why on earth people waive time is beyond me, especially those that are innocent…. The burden is on THE PEOPLE, ie the DA. By waiving time it just allows the Prosecution more time to try and close the holes. Secondly, did your brother call bail reduction? Third, have you walked into the Sheriffs lobby and said, “I committed those crimes, not my brother?”. I assume so, point is at trial the DA is going to have a serious problem explaining why YOUR not on trial….. Bottom line, at this point, NO DEALS, your brother has to ride the wave ALL THE WAY if he must to continue to accumulate damages for everyday that he is in custody wrongfully. Especially if it can be proven that the reports don’t reflect what the evidence shows and there was an consorted effort to prosecute your brother for whatever reason they had in doing so…
Also, the charges, if the whole incident you speak of is from that video you posted, certainly don’t reflect what appears to have happened…… Just really seems that there is a whole lot more to this story, previous incidents which aren’t on video, history between these neighbors, nothing makes sense. If there isn’t, than your frustration is self evident.
I AM MARTIN ROCHA THE OLDER BROTHER.
First off I would like to thank everyone for their positive support! It really means a lot to my brother and my family! He needs all the support he can get!
As to people with questions;
Dear Senor Blogger, No. My brother was no wearing the white hoodie. The White hoodie does not fit my brother. I wear a size small. I weigh 185 lbs. I am 5’11. My Brother wears a size XXL and he weighs 220 lbs. He is over 6’3. He can not fit into my hoodie. Any discrepencies could be cleared up by clothes taken at time of booking.
Dear JustCurious, I agree that the victim is reponsible for wrongful identification. Although the cops are too. They did not even need a video to notice D. Stern told them when he first walked by that he was not the correct person. If he was and my brother had truly hurt an old lady her HUSBAND would have ran out and said “Thats him officer, get him.” Instead the officer just casually questioned him and let him go and the lied about that. Also the victim should not be able to confuse him because she stated in the police report that she watched him grow up… And even though the video is at a distance, I have provided still shots of us in the same spot… Finally.. even if you want to give the cops the benifit of the doubt. Please understand they should have never charged an innocent 18 year old boy with crimes that do not appear in the video. The police report says “she was smacked so hard it caused her to let go of the net”… BS, the tape clearly shows that is a lie.. So how can that be justified??????
The cops also lied to the news paper.
http://www.mountain-news.com/news/crime_log/article_d9524db4-52b5-11e1-bc7b-0019bb2963f4.html
Dear Blase, your right. There are a lot of elements to this case beyond the scope of the actual incident. The what has fueled the fire is my parents neighbor’s hatered to them. And the cops not doing their due diligence. But no other elements related to this incedent exsist. Just racism and pure hate. Mr. and Mrs. Stern have told people now listed as character witness’ that they know they have incarcerated the wrong person, but dont care because their motivation is to hurt my father.. Dr. Rocha.
regarding the comment from JustCurious:
The videos should be inspected at the center lower. The time stamps are there. In some segments the timestamp is blurred because of the compression used to distribute the video in a small size.
regarding the comment from Blase’:
Oh yes, there is much more to the story. But, part of the story is that a San Bernardino Sheriff Deputy intentionally falsified a DR.
And, I do not see that anyone other than Nancy Stern and a Sheriff Deputy committed a crime. There is no evidence in the public domain that any item was “stolen” as the charging papers allege. Nor do we see a Rocha battery upon anyone whatsoever as the charging papers allege. Nor do we see anything reaching “elderly abuse” as the charging papers allege. The charges are pure horseshit.
What is going on?
Old White People politically connected to San Bernardino institutions accuse The Other as instanced by Hispanic family that move into Honky’s ‘hood and the idiot cops and District Attorneys accept *and promote* the Honky’s story even though it is refuted by the raw physical evidence.
Can one say Federal Section 1983? MBO bets one can.
Or, it could be just good ole rich person bullyism, or Dominionism, or even, TheocraFascism at work?
Take your pick of the reasons, the evidence does not match the story the constabulary tells.
MBO
The problem with this case is that any reasonable person with direct experience and knowledge of SBSO cannot dismiss Rocha’s version of events. The pandemic and systemic incompetence SBSO & its deputies (inveterate propensity for dereliction of duty, malfeasance, etc), which is the agency of last resort for wannbes, is infamous.
Citizens of SB county should not have to doubt the word of its sheriff’s office employees. But as God knows the following: I have had deputies lie to me; kiss off serious felonies; justify dereliction of duty based upon inane reasoning; and as has been repeatedly demonstrated by actions of deputies in the field and deputies posting here, sheriff’s deputies who don’t have a remote clue of law enforcement yet will defend their stupidity beyond imagination.
If SBSO deputies were to put as much effort into learning law enforcement as they do inventing ingenious methods of kissing off crimes, the image and reputation of their agency would greatly improve. Until then, I will continue to pray that CHP will be able to take over SBSO and that it fires all incompetent deputies, which would equal much of SBSO. I would much rather have a CHP officer respond to any call for service that I might have as opposed to hoping that one of the tiny few squared away SBSO deputies might respond.
R
So Fritz, based on your comments, LAY it out for us!!!!! Or anyone else for that matter. Let’s hear your thoughts on how the LEO’s should have handled this matter.
Please keep in mind some of these readers have been involved in completing many investigations right along these lines. So if you have equal or close experience along those lines, hopefully we can all learn something from each other.
I read the police report. It is well written. If it’s full of lies, then point to the lies specifically please. Yes I fully expect for one party to call the other party the liars. It’s what happens 99% of the time.
The arrest was made on GOOD faith. That good faith being the statements made from the victim/ witness supported by the video. Far from a false arrest on it’s face.
If the victim/witness lied, then the problem is with them, NOT the deputies involved.
Second if the brother of the suspect is the one in the video, then he should have stepped up early on. If he did, then good for him. If the DA or the cops don’t believe him, then it will come out in trial. But you have 12 people to convince your telling the truth and the cops and victim are the liars.
Third NO ONE who is innocent waives time, and sits in jail until the courts get around to prosecuting him. I would of demanded an IMMEDIATE jury trial within the 60 days.
I don’t want to hear the, we were following the advise of our attorney either. Hmmm your paying your attorney $200 bucks an hour, he is free, making money from you, but your sitting in jail??? Unless your using the public defender, then the money issue is moot.
YES long standing neighbor disputes are always stressful and difficult for ALL involved. The cops generally have to sort them out at somepoint, and ALWAYS one party is going to be upset NO MATTER what the outcome.
It appears based on that long standing dispute some cop suggested the victim get a video camera installed to capture some of the going’s on around the house. SMART move. Audio would have been nice, but not that important when trying to prove someone is coming onto YOUR property.
If the evidence of FALSE arrest is the similiar looking hoody worn between the brothers, then all I can say is good luck. I don’t think that will be enough. But anything is possible.
The nice thing about the blogs is you can discuss, debate these issues, learn something about a case you might not normally know about.
No this case is in no way near the Kephart situation.
So if you want to call BS on something, GREAT, lay it out. So far I don’t see anything that slaps me in the face on this issue. But I could have missed something. I am human.
In reading the report and watching the video, I can see Miranda, Ramey, Stegald and several procedural violations. A booking photo was shown, however this appears was not shown in a photo lineup or 6-pack. If the brother is the actual one involved and he admits to being in the altercation, I don’t see why the innocent one is still in jail. The only reason he is probably still in jail is because this case involves Captain Ells and his MET goons. For those paying attention, this is the same team of misfits involved in the civil rights violations recovering Ass. Sheriff Cochran’s computer, the Kephart incident and now this. Maybe Ells will now be promoted to Deputy Chief since it seems every time his crew violates someone’s civil rights, he gets promoted.
Sgt,
You do seem to be squared away. I am impressed with your knowledge of law enforcement, specifically adjective law.
While I will admit law enforcement has changed drastically since I was sworn in, even deputies within SBSO have admitted that it is one screwed up agency.
You do appear much more intelligent than is the SBSO norm. Please allow my recommending to you that you examine other options. Sadly, during this phase of law enforcement that might remain permanent, it seems to cause an inordinate amount of stress. Therefore, I’d recommend either leaving the profession and exploring other professions. If you wish to remain in law enforcement, check out other agencies.
It seems that most agencies are not immune from that which disproportionally plagues SBSO. But there are agencies that are much more professionally oriented than SBSO. If you want to remain in this county, maybe SBPD & Ontario might be better options. However, I’d recommend OC & LA counties. In either county you’re far more likely to work with cops who have attained your educational status. Hence, you’ll be able to engage in intellectual conversations with cops who know the Peace Office Code of Ethics and are motivated by professional practice.
Yesterday an old friend asked me if I would do law enforcement again. The way she worded it was confusing. I told her I’d do law enforcement again in a heartbeat. But she meant to ask me if I’d consider law enforcement today, which is a mot point due to my being an orthopedic nightmare. I told her that I would absolutely never consider it as a line of work. It’s become too politicized. I loved going 10-8 and doing whatever the hell I wanted. I enjoyed taking dirt bags to jail and conversing with good people. There was a healthy balance that allowed me to discern bad guys from good guys. I was able to take bad guys to jail and return to my beat and have coffee with people who made more in a month that I did in a year.
The most pronounced problem I have encountered with SBSO deputies is that most have know clue of their jobs, yet they will insist upon being right in the fact of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. We cannot always be right. The wise man recognizes human fallibility, and pursues knowledge. The moron refuses to admit s/he’s wrong and defends ignorance to ridiculous extents. There is absolutely nothing wrong with recognizing what one does not know. There is with refusing to learn.
Sgt, you’d be a good fit with HBPD, an aggressive & thoroughly professional law enforcement agency. But I’d be more inclined to recommend Newport Beach & Laguna Beach. Believe me, there are lots of dirt bags in Newport. But in either Laguna and Newport you would be far more likely to have coffee with movie & rock stars and professional athletes. In short, you’d want to go 10-8 every day as opposed to having to go 10-8 every day.
A couple years ago I was in Billy’s on the Beach in Newport. Derek Jeter was right behind me as I entered the restaurant. He was genuinely a nice guy. There’s no doubt in my mind that were a cop on duty in the restaurant he’d of invited him to have lunch with him. I have heard the Jeter spends a lot of time in Newport when the Yankees play the Angels. And Carson Palmer did own a home in Laguna. There are a few big time rock stars who live in Laguna. One lives in my friend’s neighborhood along with Lindsey Davenport, the tennis player. I’d much rather interact with professional athletes than have to interact with tweakers all day long.
You seem capable of getting out. My recommendation is considering your options.
Just something to consider…
Stay safe,
R
Rocha family: San Bernardino is full of corruption. Keep pressing on hard and expose this to the media through this blog and other IE blogs. Many people in high leadership positions within the County watch this blog and this case will get scrutiny!
Why did brother run from the authority? Why did dad lie to the sheriff officers? As a doctor I would hold you to a higher standard. Those actions do not teach young adults how to properly act with suthority. There is one person to blame here….Dad !!!
Another riveting post by Raisuli, but it goes the same as all the others, and I (loosely) quote:
“blah, blah, blah, blah, adjective law, blah, blah blah. Orange County is SO superior…
all about me, all about me, all about me, all about me
~trashes SBSD~
Orange County is great! it’s awesome! you can drink coffee with famous people (alternate scenario: thong bathing suits!! on the beach!! whoo hoo!)
blah, blah, blah, blah…
Stay Safe,
R”
LMFAO
Sgt. your a joke,,,R you sound like Charlie Brown’s teacher….You guys are basing everything off a fraction of video surveillance. The report is well written. You can use a Cal-Photo or booking photo if the victim personally knows the suspect. So your telling me the Deputy shouldve done two “six packs” with both brothers in them, when she identified the suspect by name. GTFOH…Sgt maybe you should work somewhere where you draw more then one DR a day
The “crime” here, at least according the tight white faction that consider themselves to be the rulers, is that the Rocha family is Latino. I suppose that one could blame the constant harassment that this family has endured since moving there on ignorance, but then racism does spring from ignorance, doesn’t it?
The people pushing this case have done everything they can to belittle, antagonize, annoy, disrespect, threaten, menace, aggravate and irritate. Their vile behavior toward this family has been ongoing for a while. This includes everything from threateningly insane and insulting letters to standing in the window flashing obscene gestures to hollering vile comments as they go by. Imagine the joy they felt to see the eighteen year old dragged off to face charges for something that he didn’t do. The assault and battery charges should be levied against Nancy Stern, who attacked his brother, spewing racist epithets while putting claw marks on his neck.
That the cops there swallowed her lies, while knowing all the time that this was the wrong person to arrest, puts this entire episode in the toilet. Why did they go along with her lies? Could it be because she’s white? Could it be because the cowering residents -including the cops- consider her to be Mrs. Bigshot? Both Mr. and Mrs. Bigshot want the Rocha family out of the area because they’re brown people, and brown people aren’t supposed to excel and live in nice houses, are they?
This case proves that they are all part of an ugly conspiracy that will ultimately come to light. Too bad for them and the reputation they are currently enjoying.
I will continue to write letters to every publication I can think of to expose these racists and bigots for what they are. I’m thinking that a newsletter or perhaps fliers might be my next move in an effort to reach every Starbucks or Macy’s in the Pacific Northwest, or at the very least, all of San Bernardino county. Surely not everyone there is scared of these people. I simply will not believe that everyone is willing to allow themselves to be bullied and run over by these people just because of who they believe they are.
After all, they don’t own the county, do they?
Rene is a wacko. Read the police report! Looks clear cut to me and certainly it was one of the rocha’s that instigated contact by trespassing on their property!
Oh God…of course it has to be because of their race….WOW ! Society is so screwed up that people have to throw out that card. look the kid shouldn’t have been touching someone else property to begin with. Then he left the scene, so how can the sheriff’s see “new” scratched (if there were some). Then the brother runs. Then the dad lies to the cops.
I’m not saying anything about the sheriff’s department, I’m just saying that this kid should never have touched another persons property. It’s called respect !!!!! If the old lady was yelling things at him, stay away. She’s old. But that doesn’t mean touch he, him, or their property.
If you have nothing to hide, why did EVERYONE run and lie?
Good points Rene. If true!!
If what you say is again an obviously long standing fued, hopefully the Rocha family has similiar evidence to support their claim. Some of that might be audio tapes, video tapes, of course the letters you mention, to show a jury their word should be suspect also. REASONABLE doubt is what you wish to acheive in a criminal trial.
Gathering physical evidence to support such a long standing fued should be simple. Racism is always easy to claim, but difficult to prove, but if you have the evidence by all means it may very well be relevant to the issues at hand.
But if a jury of all hispanic, black, or white sense that the race card is being used because there is nothing else to back up the family’s story, well trust me I have seen a majority of jurors of the same race as the suspect, call BS on the allegations.
A dangerous strategy if you cannot reasonable support the claim. People of all colors do get tired of the race card if there is no proof of such.
JustCurious,
you rock. I could not say it better myself….Get a clue Sgt.
Rene your mentality is whats wrong with the world today. This had nothing to do with race. It has to do with neighbors who obviously can’t stand each other The deputy did his job by putting what happened on paper and let the DA decide. The DA’s dont just file cases unless they believe they can convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. Also the naysayers forgot that if this was a felony that it has already gone to Prelim. So obviously there was probably cause then. If the brother is the one who did it, he could have testified at the prelim for the defense. Also look at the suspects rap sheet. Not the most productive citizen. Glad I dont live nest to them….
Gotta Love James Mills:
He writes, “Looks clear cut to me”, but then he is not sure who is the perpetrator….right, real clear cut.
And when I get around to it I will quote the stupid ass conflicting published case laws of California that says a person may destroy the property (a gate) which is blocking an easement, and, a person whose property is under attack MUST actually block a person from using the land in question. Thus California law pits two neighbors into a deadlock of conflicting law which then ensnares law enforcement into a stupid ass dispute that California law majorly created. (Watch Dateline’s report about “Trouble on the Hill”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31112998/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports/t/trouble-hill/#.T3fmMngzLzI )
I think it hilarious but tragic that people who have watched the video conclude that someone is “running away from authority”. He did not “run away” from anyone, and if he did, the deputy sure was a lazy ass because he makes zero indication to pursue or even be concerned that someone “ran away”. That would be because he did not “run away from authority”.
Hey, will someone tell me the time-offset that show the 79 year old woman down on the ground”?
ACU, I have more extensive answers for you but I don’t have the time to write them all up. But, I will tell you I do not *yet* conclude False Arrest as legally defined. However, the video was delivered on the same day of the arrest. And the video impeaches the credibility of the 79 year old witness to be able to distinguish between these two brothers.
So, I do conclude that some Deputy of San Bernardino should have looked at the video and realized that a 79 year old woman had made a mistake and re-investigated and then recommended dropping the charges within 7 days at maximum and ideally, within 48 hours.
James Mills, it’s Ms. Wacko to you. You have no idea what these people have done to the Rocha family, if you did, then perhaps you’d not be so quick to condemn.
RB, the boy arrested was nowhere near the scene when the “old lady” as you call her, scratched the older brother while hollering racist comments. The younger boy when questioned NEVER ran away. The older brother did tell the cops that he moved the net and that he was attacked, but they wouldn’t believe him, despite the fact that it was him on the surveillance video. The only ones lying to the cops here are the accusers.
As for “throwing out the race card” unless you have been subjected to it, you have absolutely no idea how it feels.
AntiCorruptionUnit, thanks for the reasonable commentary that did not unravel into uninformed insults and name calling.
Considering that 75% of the persons found innocent due to recent DNA testing involved some type of faulty photo lineup, I would want to conduct a flawless photo lineup but if you other SBSD members want to be lazy cops and put innocent people in jail, you deal with that on your conscience. I never want to put an innocent person on jail, and it makes me sick that you other Deputies seem fine that if this person is innocent, you don’t care. Our Dept has truly lost its way.
I have never heard of the “if the suspect is known” theory of photo lineups. Maybe you can clue us all in on that case law? How known does someone have to be to where we don’t have to use a photo lineup anymore? If I have associated with someone 3 times? How about 10 times?
I did, however, find several cases and articles of interest.
http://www.nij.gov/journals/258/police-lineups.html
http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/Eyewitness-Misidentification.php
That innocence project has some very good articles.
I’m glad you all agree that there are issues with Miranda, Ramey, and Stegald though since no one argued about those issues.
One last side note for all you SBSD warriors jumping on the Gus Asboth bandwagon, how come his wife no longer works at North? Did someone say POST scandal? Maybe Asboth was able to skip a class or two when it came to actual police work huh?
I sat in the CA08 debate last night where the congressional candidates were asked if illegal aliens should be given services in this country. Some of the candidates would go so far as to deny emergency services to illegals. As cops if you roll upon a crime scene where someone has been shot, how would you feel about not being able to render medical services if the victim is an illegal, read Mexican? Anyone who thinks racism is dead in this country is dead wrong. It is alive and well. I might add that the audience cheered at the prospect of not offering medical services in an emergency situation and were uncomfortable with those candidates that said emergency services should be granted.
For sake of argument, let’s say everything rea false arrest, lazy deputy, stupid old lady picking the wrong suspect out of a line-up etc etc is all true…… Maybe I missed it, but if this is the case, is it reasonable to think that the DA has taken a look at all the evidence by now? Point is what is the DA’s excuse for continuing with this case? I know the DA has lost some serious high profile cases because of the urging of the Sheriffs department to prosecute. Does the DA really want a 3rd? I don’t know, I am just sayin’
Be Safe
Take Nothing for granted
Fritz and Rene, you’ll have to excuse James Mills, who is a long ago retired Sheriff’s Lieutenant named Joe Henry. He was as corrupt as they come, not only in his duties towards the public, but with the very employees he supervised. You can tell he supports the corrupt members of SBSD, because he never comments on the obvious and glaring issues that have come forth on this blog. He likes to attack the messenger.
He likes to pop off to me from behind the keyboard, but never was that brave face to face in real life, even when he was still working. If you barked at him, he generally tucked his tail between his legs and didn’t have much to say. But he had no problem in instructing others to do his dirty work. He’s a coward, so don’t worry to much in what he says. Most of us did more police work on accident than Joe ever did on purpose.
I will bump into him again someday, we will see if he wants to say to my face what he has said on this blog. If he does, it will be interesting to see if his old ass has any steam left in it. When you think of James Mills, just think of Barney Fife. I do think they gave him just one bullet to carry around. His friends are limited, but they are corrupt too.
Now on a more serious note, regarding this long standing fued, I will not bet my life that corruption itself is not part of this situation.
If you have been reading the other stories on this blog, you will see where two SBSD deputies have been found not guilty of crimes they were accused of in the last few months. YES there was some serious corruption involved in both of those cases. Yes other cops lied, showed the utmost incompetance in their testimony.
In both cases the judges involved ask the Deputy DA’s why they were prosecuting these for all intensive purposes minor crimes, the DDA said they had no choice. Which means they were ordered by the superiors to prosecute something they probably would have rejected.
And what that means is Sheriff Rod Hoops got with DA Mike Ramos to get the cases prosecuted. Sheriff Hoops wants to try and prove to the public he has zero tolerance for misconduct, but in reality is covering up for more serious crimes being committed by his pals within the department. And that would include some of his friends in the community too.
There is another case out there where a retired Sheriff’s Lt. has been charged with crimes that we now have every reason to believe is factually innocent. The DA is stalling on dismissing those charges becasue someone is scared that all hell is going to break loose from this serious miscarraige of justice.
I saw the video in the Allen Kephart incident. That was compelling and far from a justified action when all was said and done.
Unfortunately our DA and Sheriff are both up to their lips in corruption themselves, cover-ups, selective prosecutions are running rampant at this time.
So what I am saying at this point in time, NOTHING would surprise me as it pertains to SBSD or it’s personnel doing something they shouldn’t be doing.
Sgt, thanks for the tip on Asboths wife. You really have to ask yourself what’s in his personnel file as it pertains to the POST scandal. Kinda of like the Gray’s?
Fritz upon closer reflection of your comment about looking at the video, I have to agree upon taking a second look. Especially if the video has been broken down frame by frame.
You might remember the Ivory Webb case, the deputy prosecuted for shooting the airman after a high speed chase? The video at first glance was compelling and did not look good.
YEP your right, if the DA had taken a closer look at the stilll photos, they would have seen the airman reaching into his coat pocket when he was ordered to stand up, then was shot. I saw the still frame photo myself. It was CLEAR as day.
Her is the catcher though. More often than not the DA and Sheriff is not willing to admit mistakes. Many within this County will not admit mistakes. It’s historical and a long standing practice. You have to beat them up in court or other proceedings, to get the slightest bit of justice.
A few years ago a man named Ray Pryke who was 85 at the time, a WWII veteran, a local publisher of a small newspaper, was arrested for residential burglary on orders from Sheriff Gary Penrod. He was hauled off to jail, made to post $50,000.00 bail. Then he was released in the wee hours of the morning. PURE punishment and NOTHING more.
The jail staff was polite and professional with Pryke, one deputy told him he was a special case, that is why he was in jail.
It turns out that Pryke was arrested in retaliation for his refusal to settle a lawsuit that the Sheriff’s wife had filed against Pryke for slander and liable. To my knowledge a lawsuit was filed in federal court regarding the false arrest. The status of that case is unknown.
The good thing about all that is the DA DID NOT file ANY charges against Pryke.
So if you look at ALL the stories on this blog, it paints a picture of corruption within SBSD that cannot be explained away. But dummy’s like James Mills are plentiful around here calling BS on behalf of their friends.
So the morale of the story is, with all the internal corruption going on within the County, EVERY reason to believe the average citizens are or can be targeted even more so
25 years ago when someone yelled corruption towards SBSD, I’d say, “yea right, that’s BS”. NOT anymore. I asked what happened and who is involved.
Justcurious said “Also the naysayers forgot that if this was a felony that it has already gone to Prelim. So obviously there was probably cause then.”
You should actually pay attention and research before you comment. They filed Misdemeanor charges, hence the MSB#. Look it up on Open Access. This is the deal sealer for me that this is completely politically motivated. We are releasing felons left and right, yet this man, charged with a Misdemeanor, stays in jail and is denied O.R. on his first offense. You believers in Hoops and the upper escelon really need to wake up. This could be you or your family one day.
Hopefully Hoops will be writing a check to this family, cause we all know that’s the only time idiots change their behavior…..
Sgt if they wer misdemanors then my bad. If I’m not mistaken its not his first arrest.
Rene, if a connection can be made between the victims and the Sheriff’s Department in a political way, then there is a problem.
For example if they are personal friends with Sheriff’s officials or the deputies involved, heavy campaign contributors etc. Such connections can be a problem for prosecutions like this.
Your second problem might be getting the attorney for the family to bring forth this type of information. Most attorney’s around here don’t stir the political pot even though the evidence indicates other issues behind the scenes.
Just a thought.
AntiCorruptionUnit, thank you for your thoughtful reply. Yes, there is no doubt that there’s a connection between the accusers, the sheriff’s department, the DA, and even the newspaper in Lake Arrowhead. I have written countless times to the editor, and all of their reporters. No answer. So much for unbiased reporting and a search for the truth.
Evidently, the accusers have some kind of stranglehold on everyone there. How pitiful is that?
The fact that the DA keeps offering plea deals to this young man is indicative that they want it all to go away.
For all of those wondering about the start of this travesty, the most likely reason the net was even there was to make things difficult for the Rocha family. The older brother was attempting to access his own driveway, when this woman came out and assaulted him. He tossed the net down to get away from her hollering and her approaching fingernails that ultimately landed on his neck.
By the way, JustCurious, there is nothing wrong with “my mentality.” I’m merely realistic about the world we live in. There is racism everywhere, it’s a fact of life. If you have never suffered from it then good for you. Another fact is that this incident has everything to do with race. If it didn’t, then this woman would not have been hollering racial slurs at the older brother. She would not have ever hollered racial slurs at his mother. Her husband would not have told others in the community that he wants to get rid of this family.
Do not try to pretend that it’s not about race.
David Stern looks to be in the thick of things up there in the Mountains. He serves on several political boards including the hospital. Here is his website that I found.
http://www.davidstern.biz/
I am sure Daddy Ells is not going to go against anyone with the slightest political clout. He is a pansy when it comes to any decision making that may look bad in political eyes. The homicide Det’s hated him when he worked Public Affairs because he would leak info out all the time to try and save face for the Dept. Who cares if we get the murderer, as long as the Dept looks good, right?
Well Sgt that helped explain alot more about the case. I’d say BINGO!!!!! MOTIVE!!! Now I see why all the effort was put forth so quickly.
Rene you are WELCOME. I will be the last one to tell you that there is no race issues in this county.
YES. you are 100% percent correct on the offering of plea bargins to get all this to go away. It might very well be because the DA or others don’t want the issues of racial comments entering into testimony. IT’S ugly stuff and get’s most peoples attention.
It might be the DA wants their cake and be able to eat it too. DO NOT allow that.
I do believe jurors of ALL races would be turned off IMMEDIATELY if they heard an alledged victim spewing a racial slur at the suspect before being attacked or while the victim was attacking the suspect. If there is a documented history of same, EVEN worse.
Much like the Jewish Deputy Sheriff who stopped Mel Gibson for DUI a couple years ago and captured Mel Gibson’s rant on his belt recorder. Especially where Mel wanted to tell the Deputy how Jew’s are the biggest creator of problems. NOT GOOD!!!!
And of course the LA Sheriff attempting to cover up all of that, and retaliating against the Deputy in order to stay on the good side of Mel Gibson because he was a big supporter of Sheriff Baca was just plain OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
So if you can please keep us informed of the outcome. It’s a coin toss anymore dealing with the judicial system around here.
But I’ll take my chance with 12 common folks deciding my fate before I roll over to the corrupt ones we speak about here.
Sgt question for you. Was Ells working public affairs when Ivory Webb was being prosecuted in say Jan 2006? If you know?
James Mills:
Yes it was one of the Rocha’s that was involved in the incident. Martin Rocha (the older brother) has told the police department and national news media that he was the one involved. On top of that there is a video that supports Martin Rocha’s claim. Now, there is no reason that his little INNOCENT brother should be in jail. The DA and POLICE had PLENTY of time to review the tapes, they never questioned or looked further into the case. They only took the word of this old couple, who are obviously politically connected San Bernardino County. Now, why would a police officer and the lieutenant ignore evidence? because that couple has massive POLITICAL INFLUENCE in the community.
The father who is a well known Pediatrician and his wife both told the sherrif that the one involved in the innident was their older son Martin Rocha, not the younger brother Javier Andrew Rocha, why would they lie to incriminate their own son? It makes no sense, the point is there was no crime committed.
RB: The younger brother never ran away. He walked away calmly and the officer did not even skip a beat, If the young man ran away during questioning the Officer would have chased him. WATCH THE VIDEO. Sounds like you read the police report, did you catch the part where David told the arresting officer that Javier was the not the suspect and later changed his story in a different statement in the police report.
Thank You for your attention to detail.
Javier should have never been arrested, because Martin Rocha was the one involved in the incident. The police should have reviewed the video carefully before ever making an arrest. The DA should have also reviewed the case carefully. On top of that I really see no charges that were committed in the video by the Rocha’s. On the other hand I do see the “scared” old couple attacking Martin Rocha inside of his own car.. Trespassing and Assaulting…. and OBVIOUSLY filing FRAUDULENT police reports.
This family does not deserve this pain and suffering. I can’t imagine how hard it would be to see an innocent child of mine locked up, walking to court in an orange jumpsuit and shackled extensively, or going to see him behind a glass window.
I fully support the Rocha’s in this case.
CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO:
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6843075?
NOTICE HOW DAVID STERN AND NANCY AND THE DA WILL NOT ANSWER OR COMMENT.
PLEASE BE ADVISED MY BROTHER DID NOT WAIVE TIME. TRAIL IS SET FOR TODAY. MONDAY, APRIL 2012.
PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT WE DID HAVE A BAIL REDUCTION HEARING WHERE THE JUDGE DID NOT CAREFULLY REVIEW THE EVIDENCE AND REJECTED THE MOTION.
PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT THE ONLY LIARS IN THIS WHOLE SITUATION ARE THE POLICE AND THE ALLEGED “VICTIMS”.
IN THE END I KNOW THAT EVERY THING WILL TURN OUT OKAY FOR MY BROTHER. I JUST CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT HE HAD TO GO THROUGH OVER 60 DAYS IN JAIL FOR NOTHING.
I WANT TO THANK ALL OF MY BROTHERS SUPPORTERS. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
“It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government.”
***Thomas Paine***
Totalitarian dictatorships always arise from the left. They initially appear egalitarian. But once powered is seized and protected, civil liberties disappear: habeas corpus most prominently. Abraham Lincoln denied habeas corpus until the Supreme Court decided against his many ruses to deny it.
Rocha’s account exemplifies the flock of sheep and preying wolves story. Sheep on the outside were considered fringe members holding beliefs antithetical to beliefs of the mainstream sheep that were ensconced in the middle. So the mainstream sheep were unconcerned that wolves were preying on fringe sheep. Much to the detriment of mainstream sheep, once fringe sheep were devoured, they became prey. The point here is if civil rights of those with whom we might disagree are violated, civil rights become nothing but illusions.
This country was founded upon protection of minority rights. As Voltaire said, “I might not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
Just as with Kephart, Rocha could have easily been any one of us, our kids, our wives/husbands; for none of us are immune from civil rights violations were our republican form of government become replaced with totalitarian government. And one would be in deep denial were one to be duped by the stanza of the USA being the land of the free and home of the brave.
Good faith does not legitimize arrest. Only probable cause can justify arrest. Cops are bound by Peace Officer Code of Ethics and professional integrity to perform thorough investigations prior to reaching conclusions. Anything less is dereliction of duty, a thread interwoven within the fabric of SBSO. Moreover, prosecutors hide behind the ridiculous veil of immunity. They cannot be sued for non/mis/malfeasance. I will elaborate upon immunity in a later post.
Suffice it to write that prosecutors have no motivation to perform due diligence because they know that their malfeasance is shielded by immunity from liability. The Casey Anthony prosecutor is an egregious example of prosecutorial misfeasance. He couldn’t prove how the child had died, yet he charged Anthony with murder. How in God’s name could he have ever hoped to win a murder conviction if he was unable to prove the child was murdered? That prosecutor ought to be disbarred.
Cause(s) of the current abysmal state of law enforcement is open to debate. It could be attributed to horrible public education. Intentionally or otherwise, we have a abjectly dumbed down generation making decisions that can ruin lives of others. Many SBSO deputies who post here are completely devoid of reasoning and logic skills, most assuredly the consequence of borderline illiteracy. For instance, to believe that statements are not evidence of crimes, one would also have to disbelieve the Fifth Amendment protection from self-incrimination and the “Miranda” decision. Rudimentary reason and logic would guide the most naive & uninitiated to the conclusion that statements are in fact evidence.
The bottom line is that I trust just a tiny percent of SBSO deputes to perform their duties consistent with Peace Officer Code of Ethics and professional integrity. SBSO must commit itself to hiring college educated candidates who are possessive of extensive life experiences and reasoning and logic skills. Otherwise it will remain committed to its long held and still valid reputation of the law enforcement agency of last resort.
I have no clue of what is true in the Rocha case. However, based upon my direct knowledge and knowledge I have gained of SBSO from professionals within the CJS, I have no valid reason to disbelieve Rochas’ account. For all I know, SBSO deputies are lying and the Rochas are telling the truth. Just the mere fact that I hold this legitimate belief implicates systemic and pandemic dereliction within SBSO.
Hasta Luego,
R
Accuser David Stern has lived in Lake Arrowhead since 1965, graduated Rim of the World High School in 1970, and sits on the Hospital Board (in 2010 as Treasurer), was the primary contact for the Rotarian Foundation fund, he is associated by Rotary Club with Superior Court Judge Richard Montes, and Law Enforcement Joe Catalano and Ron Green.
Yes, the Sterns are very well connected to the powers that be in Lake Arrrowhead.
The Sterns have recently filed a Personal Injury suit against Dr. Rocha, the patriarch, reportedly based on an indirect harm theory of neglectful parenting of Javier Rocha. Stern or his wife Nancy have recently petitioned for additional CCCP 527.6 civil harassment restraining orders against older brother Martin Rocha and Javier Rocha (who is in jail), and have already obtained such orders against several Rocha family members in a hearing where the Rochas were not present. Martin Rocha states that due to a snowstorm, they arrived about 5 minutes late to the hearing and that one of the complaints was about the Rochas dogs.
California’s Code of Civil Procedure Section 527.6 allows a Superior Court Judge to spend less than five minutes, take hearsay testimony, without right of discovery, without right to counter-sue for malicious prosecution, without right to trial by jury, without right to cross-examination, and without pre-hearing disclosure of evidence and discovery, and then restrain a person indefinitely and contiguously for periods of three years with only a perfunctory hearing for each additional three years added. Unlike normal civil processes, the judge can award attorney’s fees to the prevailing party, firearms must be surrendered, and Homeland security will yank the restrained party over for one hour inspections. And that is just the theory of the law.
In practice, it is a perfect tool for corrupt Taliban Judges, ethnic, social, and racial cleansing, discriminatory prosecution, and illegal seizure and control of real property.
Stick it to them, especially the Sheriffs department for doing the right thing after ALL the evidence was available to them. After the arrest which was justified based on the witness statements, I said justified for a reason. However, they have had PLENTY of time to write a sup report laying out the video and additional info, brothers statements, and asked the DA to drop the case, or refile on the brother. The ONLY good thing to come out of this is perhaps
Sorry, Sheriff’s department did NOT do the right thing………. Perhaps the DA will be less inclined to file charges at the request of Hoops and his incompetent managers because they are tired of losing and looking like fools.
The arrogance and sense of entitlement the Sterns have displayed in the past and continue to display is breathtaking. If anyone anywhere has the right to file charges of harassment it’s the Rocha family.
Ever since the Rocha family moved to the area and refused to roll over for these neighbors they have been harassed. The Sterns have made it their life’s work to harass this family. They have done everything they can to provoke them. The restraining order is merely one example of their egregious behavior towards them. One of the Rocha children named was attending college out of state at the time. How was she able to harass them from there? That the Sterns are allowed to continue this behavior speaks to their collusion with the authorities. Apparently having unlimited funds and being hand in glove with the powers that be in that community allows then to behave in this manner.
Are they perhaps simply sitting around cooking up schemes to provoke them into something that they can point to and say, “Look! I told you!” Well yes, they are.
Bottom line, the authorities have nothing on Javier but the lies put forth by the Sterns. Nancy and her husband David have the entire town hornswoggled and over a barrel. Evidently, what they say, “goes.” This means that my nephew and his family are merely Latinos to be stepped on.
The district attorney, who certainly does not want to be found colluding with the Sterns wants to press forward, even offering Javier “plea bargains” a “slap on the wrist” so to speak to make the whole thing go away. Javier, knowing that he is completely innocent says no. Clearly, this 18 year old has more integrity than the district attorney, the Sterns, the police and the judge.
Javier deserves justice and the Sterns must be stopped. This is 2012, and the time for them to be allowed to run the town like their own little fiefdom is over.
Please read what my sister wrote about all of this by following this link: http://hastalosgatosquierenzapatos.blogspot.com/2012/04/javier-andres-rocha.html
ACU, it would have been around the right time but I can’t say for sure one way or the other if he was assigned there at that exact time. I know for a fact he was there in ’07 but not sure how long before that he was assigned there.
I’ve seen the video, actually more than once, and read the police report. In the video I DO NOT see Nancy Stern, be pushed or fall to the ground, loose her glasses, or suffer a heart attack.But…the police report states all of these things happen.Why?
I DO see David and Nancy Stern trying to pull the young man out of the car…why?
What were they going to do with him?
Rene, I sure can relate to the “sense of entitlement” attitude of some of our elite residents of this county.
I have had the pleasure of arresting and CONVICTING a couple of them. Of course that did not go over well with some others in power.
So your preaching to the choir on that one. But keep after the Sterns as needed.
If the jury picks up on a “sense of entitlement” or “elitist attitude” from them, it won’t go over well in my opinion.
Keep us informed.
Kenny has an opinion on everything. He is like that old disgruntled guy that never knew when to shut up. We all know what happens to those guys eventually.
Just when you think things cannot get any worse, the absurdity of it all continues to increase exponentially.
The judge hearing the case, A. Rex Victor, admitted that he knows David Stern, yet he has refused to recuse himself from the case. To say that this entire saga has taken on a Kafkaesque quality is an extreme understatement. Perhaps grotesque might be a better fit.
Could it be that the DA and his minions, or his backers, are going forward with this fiasco of a case in an attempt to make Javier and his family say,”Okay! We’ll take the plea!” so that they can wash it away?
I’m about ready to hire a small airplane to drop fliers in the area to let everyone know how these people are colluding and conspiring.
This insanity and “good old boy” way of doing things has to stop.
The evil that men do has never been more true.
Rene, that is good the judge mentioned he knows Stern. Sounds like it’s going to go all the way. Let it happen.
Joe did you look in the mirror when you mention old? I am not wearing depends yet, how about you? Joe I’ll never shut up with guys like you around. Whatever happens eventually as you say, won’t involve anything YOU can do. You’ll be standing in the background running your suck like you always did.
Perhaps we need to write to the congressional representative of that particular district, perhaps we need to write to the Department of Justice and nag them to death to look into the corruption and disgusting antics of the “justice” system in SB County.
I have never seen such a disgusting display of good old boy networking as I have seen play out here in the county.
Wow, just wow.
Perhaps the judge will recuse himself since he has admitted in court he knows the Sterns, how can he be expected to return an objective opinion if he’s in bed with the Sterns? All in all if the judge has already poisoned the well this will all be overturned on appeal.
That Javier sits in jail while this is all played out is disgusting. It’s a nightmare the Rocha family should bot have to endure and yet they do.
Where is the justice?
You are finding out what those of us who have worked in the system hVe known a long time. The judge on my case also refused to recuse himself and I worked as his personal judges secretary for two years! The SBCo. Bench has become very corrupt.
NLucas, I’m glad it’s so very clear to everyone who has seen the video that Nancy Stern was seen as the aggressor when trying to pull the older brother out of the car. I suspect that the reason the police report says that she was pushed to the ground, lost her glasses and had a heart attack was because she lied to them, and they of course believed her.
AntiCorruptionUnit, thanks again. Incidentally, isn’t it amazing how uninformed people are so quick to react, yet so slow to think things through? As for the judge not wanting to recuse himself, despite the accusers being buddies of his, he insinuated that someone, whether it’s Javier or his brother, will pay for this, even though accuser Nancy Stern was the aggressive attacker. Is this what is called impartiality? Is this the land of the free and home of the brave, where truth and justice can be found? Apparently not in the San Bernardino court system.
As I’ve said before, all of this looks like a poorly written movie with the area bigshots as the idiotic cast who cannot remember their lines, so they make stuff up to cast a net around people they don’t like.
I’ve heard for years what these neighbors have been subjecting this family to. So, while I’m appalled that they’d lie to hurt this family like this, a part of me remains unsurprised.
Bizarro day in San Bernardino Superior Court today, so routine as usual.
Judge A REX VICTOR walked *outside* the courtroom, walked up to Martin Rocha, Jr. having never before been introduced to him, and in front of his entire family, told him personally to come into the courtroom in ten minutes.
Then the 77 year old judge Victor (http://sbcba.org/judges/Victor.pdf) told Martin Rocha he should have an attorney because he may be incriminating himself if he testifies.
Oh, did I tell ya’ll that the chambers conference lasted over 2 hours!
Martin Rocha suggested the other witnesses (the Sterns) might also need defense attorney’s and he asked the Judge whether he would appoint counsel for them as well. The judge was not pleased and told Mr. Rocha approximately, when you get a law degree you make suggestions to me.
Oh, did I tell you the Judge admitted that he lives in Lake Arrowhead, and that he personally knows David Stern?
Did I tell you the Judge refused to recuse himself from the case?
Well, the Morongo Basin Ombudsman just told you, so go tell everyone else outside San Bernardino, because the judge mentioned this is a high profile case that has obtained substantial media attention.
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Case MSB1200275 Defendant 3786246 ROCHA , ANDREW JAVIER
Action: RECALL CALENDAR Date: 04/02/2012 Time: 8:30 AM
Division: S14R Hearing Status: DISPOSED
JAMES M DORR, J-JUDGE
CLERK: CARNESHA BULLOCKS
BAILIFF MILLER
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NO REPORTER PRESENT
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APPEARANCES
DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY K CAIN PRESENT.
ATTORNEY RT CHRISTOPHER PERSAUD PRESENT.
DEFENDANT PRESENT IN CUSTODY.
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PROCEEDINGS
ACTION CAME ON FOR TRIAL READINESS
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MATTER CAME ON FOR RECALL
OFF THE RECORD, COURT AND COUNSEL CONFER IN CHAMBERS
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PARTIES ANNOUNCE READY FOR TRIAL.
MATTER TRANSFERRED TO DEPARTMENT S7 FOR TRIAL
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HEARINGS
HEARING CONTINUED TO 04/02/2012 AT 8:35 IN DEPARTMENT S7.
DEFENDANT ORDERED TO APPEAR ON HEARING DATE.
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TIME WAIVERS
TIME WAIVER PREVIOUSLY GIVEN.
TIME WAIVED TO 03/29/2012.
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ESTIMATED TIME: 4 DAYS
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CUSTODY STATUS
CASE CUSTODY – IN CUSTODY
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Case MSB1200275 Defendant 3786246 ROCHA , ANDREW JAVIER
Action: RECALL CALENDAR Date: 04/02/2012 Time: 8:35 AM
Division: S7 Hearing Status: ACTIVE
A REX VICTOR, J-JUDGE
CLERK: CHRISTINE SPENCER
BAILIFF RON SHARPE
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APPEARANCES
DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY K CAIN PRESENT.
ATTORNEY RT CHRISTOPHER PERSAUD PRESENT.
DEFENDANT PRESENT IN CUSTODY.
NOT IN COURTROOM
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PROCEEDINGS
ACTION CAME ON FOR PRE DISPOSITION HEARING
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13:38
OFF THE RECORD, COURT AND COUNSEL CONFER IN CHAMBERS
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15:48
ON THE RECORD: COURT AND COUNSEL DISCUSS CASE MATTERS
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DEFENSE COUNSEL INDICATES THEY MAY FILE A 170.6
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COUNSEL HAVE FURTHER MOTIONS THEY WILL BE PLACING ON THE RECORD 4-3-12 ALL MOTIONS IN LIMINE TO BE HEARD 4-3-12 @1:30PM
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COURT ADDRESSES MR MARTIN ROCHA REGARDING WITNESS/SELF INCRIMINATION AND ATTORNEY OPTIONS
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POTENTIAL WITNESS MR MARTIN ROCHA IS ORDERED TO BE PRESENT AT 1:30PM ON 4-3-12
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COURT ORDERS COUNSEL BE APPOINTED TO MR MARTIN ROCHA
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CONFLICT PANEL IS NOTIFIED AND ORDERED TO APPEAR AT 1:30PM 4-3-12
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HEARINGS
MOTIONS RESERVED FOR 04/03/2012 AT 1:30 IN DEPARTMENT S7.
DEFENDANT ORDERED TO APPEAR ON HEARING DATE.
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CUSTODY STATUS
BAIL REMAINS AS SET.
CASE CUSTODY – IN CUSTODY
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Rene if your talking about James Mills being uniformed, yes it’s funny, but remember he’s one of the bad guy type characters that we discuss on this blog.
Even if the judge will not rescues himself, the case goes badly, that too could be grounds for an appeal, especially if the judge rules more than once in a way that shows bias towards the defendant.
Let’s hope the jury pays attention and sees through any smoke that might be flowing through the courtroom. It’s been known to happen.
Fritz interesting the judge came out and told Rocha Jr he needs counsel. Between that comment and the 2 hour meeting in chambers says there is a problem brewing.
If the judge feels the suspect is really Rocha Jr, instead of his younger brother, serious problems loom on the horizon even for the judge. Keep good notes on all that is going on around you.
If the jury rules in favor of Stern find out why they did. If they acquit, find out why they did. Jurors opinions can be quite interesting. Much like they were in the recent case involving a Deputy Sheriff who was on trial.
The Deputy DA handling this case could face discipline from the State Bar if they continue to prosecute a meritless case that involves an innocent man. The Judge is not free and clear from misconduct as the Board of Judicial Review oversees the Judge.
Only a fool fails to rescues themselves and become officially involved in matter where friends are a party to such an action.
If the attorney for the Rocha is telling all of you the stituation STINKS, but isn’t raising ANY hell, RED FLAG for the Rocha family. First sign the defense counsel if going to play the game with the judge instead of for his client.
Pay CLOSE attention.
This judge deserves the JUDICIAL REX IE award, not VIP Josie and the BOS Pussycats.
Surely A REX VICTOR gets his $20K/yr. bribe from the BOS to protect County interests, or maybe he is one of the newer “Honorable ones”, and is pi$$ed-off because he doesn’t receive the $tipend!
In the end, there is no justice in the SHYSTEM (shysters running the system), and yes Observer, there are many shyster judges, especially in San Berdoo doo County!
I am so happy this article is getting many comments. It is important this information be exposed to the world. San Bernardino justice is so prejudicial. This case should be dismissed immediately. Michael Ramos, are you or your staff listening?
Yet another day of this extremely badly written movie has played out. The good news is that one of the charges were dropped. The other good news is that Judge A. Rex Victor was removed from the case. A good move since he’s “in bed” as they say with David and Nancy Stern… politically speaking of course.
When older brother Martin was called into court today he asked the judge that if it was being recommended that HE get a lawyer, were the Sterns going to be ordered to as well? As expected, the judge was not amused. Could it have been because he already knows that the only crime committed here was the assault on older brother Martin, at Nancy’s hands when she clawed his neck and tried to pull him out of the car while hollering racial slurs at him? Obviously Martin tossed the net aside to get away from this woman, who then lied to the police.Why did she do this? Well, to hurt Javier’s father, of course. After all, she didn’t want them living next door to her. Why? Well, since she told Javier’s mother that her property value “would go down” THE ISSUE IS RACE.
Which leads to these questions:
Why else would the judge say that race is not an issue here if he weren’t trying to protect the Sterns?
Why would he have denied the media access if he didn’t want this to simply blow over?
Why does the DA keep repeatedly pressing Javier to accept a plea?
Clearly, when the light shines on this type of behavior it’s rather ugly, isn’t it?
I’ve sent everything that has happened to Federal offices, including the U.S. Attorney for this district, the Department of Justice, Senators Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Representative Joe Baca, and every newspaper in southern California, including the Mountain News, who clearly won’t print anything that smack of collusion between themselves, the Sterns, the DA and the sheriff’s department. I’m also sending all pertinent information to the State Bar Association, the Board of Judicial Review due to their prosecution of an innocent man.
Rene,
Keep sending away. Knock yourself out! Waste your time writing letters to support a pair of knuckleheads. No matter how you look at this, the person should have never touched the net cross the driveway. That is what instigated this whole incident. He can’t claim he didn’t know. There have been prior restraining orders preventing this exact contact, but yet he feels he can do what he wants. The Rocha kids are the obvious problems here. But of course, it could be Hoops fault. Or maybe Ramos. After all, they probably told the kid to go touch the net.
I assure you Renee racial slurs ARE an issue in matters like this, ESPECIALLY long standing fueds. It show bias that simple, and should be allowed to come out and let the jury give it the weight it deserves, if any at all.
Trust me as a cop, if I was fighting with a suspect who was African American and used the “N” word more than once during the struggle, I WOULD have been held accountable, I would have some serious explaining to do. So would many others.
And cops have faced gruely cross examination if racial bias can be proven or exsisted in their actions and conduct. The Sterns are no different than anyone else. YOU play you pay.
And the fact that judge Victor was pulled off the case SPEAKS volumns. Maybe someone else recognized he has been on the bench to LONG, and his arrogance has gotten out of control just a BIT!!!!!!
If the media is being banned from the courtroom, that too speaks volumns on what is going on behind the scenes. If the DA is still trying to get the defendant to plead out, that too tells me SOMEONE is on the run.
It sounds like someone is desperatly attempting to salvage a disaster in the 11th hour. Funny how they just dissmissed one of the charges too.
GET the transcripts of ALL this. It is worth the cost of getting them. If your going to file formal complaints against the DA or the Judge, you WILL need them since they are the OFFICIAL records of what transpired in this matter.
Then continue to monitor this blog. Another horror story is coming soon on how this county operates with people who work and live within it.
I see in the minute order where council has been assigned to Martin Rocha.
All that, should have, could have been avoided if the cops and the DA had done their job prior to all this. That’s what you get when you don’t listen to people when they start screaming WRONG guy.
Someone has been sleeping ALL this time.
Rene…YOU go girl!!! The truth lives here!!
NLucas and AntiCorruptionUnit, thanks.
At this point I’m thinking that the Stern’s next move will be a character assassination directed at Dr. Rocha and his family. They might believe that they have every right to do this since apparently the local hospital administration, the police, the local newspaper, and of course the DA are political bedfellows.
This entire episode has reeked of cronyism from the beginning. When Salvador Duran from Univision first showed up in early March and asked to talk to David Stern, he refused. Why the refusal? After all, if you know in your heart that you speak the truth, why not say so on television?
The only ones willing to brave the cameras with regards to this whole mess is the Rocha family. That right there tells me who is telling the truth.
Ah yes, James Mills,I was wondering where you were, I was getting lonely.
Not surprisingly, you have lost sight of the true tragedy here. Javier has been locked up for something that he did not do. Yes, his brother Martin did in fact touch the net, but that is NOT a crime. What is the crime is that Nancy Stern came out of her house and attacked Martin, verbally and physically assaulted him and then tried to pull him out of the car.
The ONLY reason the net was up in the first place was because a long, long, long time ago, Martin Jr. backed up into it to go in the other direction down the street. As a result of this insignificant move, Nancy didn’t want anyone, in particular the Rocha family, to be able to turn their cars around easily by accessing the driveway for a few seconds.
Is that nuts? Why yes, yes it is. People all over the world turn their cars around in other people’s driveways without incident. Normal people understand that.
As for the prior restraining order, I’m appalled and disgusted that they can do this without any evidence just because they’re political bedfellows of the courts and DA.
So, go ahead and call these young men knuckleheads if it makes you feel better. They are NOT the problem here. The biggest problem is the thinking, or lack of, that you’re doing when you do not know the history of what the Rocha family has endured at the hands of these vengeful neighbors.
No order restraining Martin Rocha, Jr. has been issued or considered by any judge.
Furthermore, California is NOT a collateral bar State so any such order can be challenged AFTER a violation of it on the ground that the order is void.
According to Minute Orders (who knows what the hearing officer actually signed) a legally void order mandates that the patriarchs to stay ** 100 yards *** from Plaintiff-David Stern. The case record online indicates only one plaintiff, David Stern, as is required for civil harassment petitions. Nancy Stern is NOT COVERED AT ALL be the order as described in the Minute Order.
Furthermore, considering that the patriarch Rochas MUST be within 100 yards (300 feet) of David Stern to use the Rocha residence and to enter and exist his property, the order is void and unenforceable except by corrupt judges acting on a civil petition for Contempt of Court. At any such Contempt of Court hearing the standard of proof is beyond reasonable doubt and “every i must be dotted and every t crossed” in the language of the Cedars-Sinai authority:
“Although a contempt may arise, as here, in the context of a civil action, a contempt proceeding is punitive and separate from the cause out of which it arises (Kroneberger v. Superior Court, supra, 196 Cal.App.2d at p. 210, 16 Cal.Rptr. 339), and it is for this reason that every “i” must be dotted and every “t” crossed.” Cedars-Sinai Imaging Medical Group v. Superior Court (2000) 83 Cal. App. 4th 1281
If the County of San Bernardino wishes to pay a million to the Rochas, they may put Deputy District Attorney Kristen Kane (prosecuting the wrong man) in charge of attempting a criminal contempt of court to enforce that void order. I am not certain but I would expect that would be a jury trial and her chances of winning I judge to be less than zero.
As already stated, a person holding a dominant tenement easement may remove any blockade installed by the owner of servient tenement. The removal of the tennis net could be legally justified – and most of the facts so far appear to support such a justification. Not Deputy District Attorney Kristen Kane is not prosecuting for trespass.
Here we are, enduring yet another episode of “Wrong Man On Trial.” This is the sequel to “Wrong Man In Jail” which of course was the follow-up to “Wrong Man Arrested.”
Prior to this entire pointless fiasco, no one could have made me believe that in a just society something this ignorant could be winding its way through court just because the town Big Cheese says so. Then I snapped out of it and realized that this is after all, San Bernardino county.
Everything is unfolding in a way to make me think I’m watching a Lake Arrowhead version of the idiotic Dukes of Hazzard, complete with their own Boss Hogg.
Bottom line here, the prosecution has a dog of a case, and they have stepped knee deep into the dog doo. Now their shoes are covered with dog doo. Oh well, given their history, they’re no doubt used to it.
When it comes right down to it, the fact is that Javier was NOT present when Nancy assaulted his brother Martin. That the prosecution is going forward tells me that someone else is pulling the strings. Any guesses who?
I have known David Stern for more than 30 years. I do not know Mrs. Stern very well. I have always considered David a friend. Though I hope to be able to continue to do so, it appears he is someone I do not know very well at all. The following comments against the Stern’s give me no pleasure to make. Please forgive me David but this is just so very wrong. Please put a stop to this now.
I have seen the video. Any stupid person or chimpanzee can clearly see that the events on the video are NOT even closely related to the events stated in the police report or in the Mountain News. It is clear in the video that Mrs. Stern attacked Martin Rocha not the other way around. And, if one scintilla, one whiff, one atom, one solar dust particle of what the Rocha’s have allegedlly endured for 7 years of constant cruel harrassment and racial hatred by the Stern’s, Mrs. Stern in particular are true, then this would appear to be about vengenance and political power used to abuse an 18 year old boy, who according to David Stern’s own statement to a sheriff deputy isn’t even the person present during the incident.
Dr. Rocha is my grandchildren’s doctor. Since we are raising our three grandaughters we see him at least occasionlly. I became aware of the Rocha/Stern problem a few years ago when one of my grandaughters became so ill she needed to be hospitalized. During the discussion with Dr. Rocha about placing her in the hospital I became aware of the problem. I came to understand that the doctor felt uncomfortable, unsupported, and uneasy in the hospital setting due to this problem and allegedlly David’s application of his political postion in an effort to force Dr.Rocha into leaving Lake Arrowhead. As a parent of a sick child needing the doctor who knows the child’s medical issues the best, I was wildly appalled and yes, angry. My childs doctor needs to be relaxed and comfortable in his surroundings when he is treating my child or any other child. Someone’s clout in the community or personal opinion about Mexican’s or “piggies”, as is alleged to be Mrs. Stern’s personal favorite name for the Rocha’s cannot be allowed to interfere in the health welfare of Dr. Rocha’s patients. Dr. Rocha is one of the very few and maybe the only doctor on this mountain who will take MediCal as far as I know and, he is an excellent pediatrician. The Stern’s can afford any doctor they need. David and Nancy, we want to keep our doctor. Please leave him and his family alone. This is a ridiculous miscarriage of justice. Free Javior Rocha!
wow I could have written this myself, except for the sick children (I am so sorry for your family…hoping Dr. Rocha will not be chased away). We have also known both David and Nancy for more than 20 years but now realize ‘we never really knew them!’ He was our financial planner but no more!
NL I have talked to David about this. The conversation was revealing and interesting. This whole thing is just so brutelly sad.
Wow. Just wow. Seeing the comments from Antoinette Gray and NLucas, who clearly know the aggressors is both enlightening and depressing. When I began to hear about the behavior of the Sterns toward the Rocha family, I knew it had to be true. No one, I mean NO ONE could make that up. It was simply too bizarre.
Does anyone know when the trial will ‘continue?’ Do we know who the ‘new’ judge is going to be?
The trial continues Monday, April 9 with Duke Rouse presiding.
I have been placed on the witness list as I was informed by the prosecutore in a phone call from her this evening. Interesting conversation. Nice lady with a dog of a case.
Thanks for the update…’We the People’ for justice AND the truth!!
This is surely going to get interesting…
http://iepolitics.net/tag/duke-rouse/
http://iepolitics.net/2010/06/21/iepolitics-can-justice-be-found-in-san-bernadino-county-part-4/#more-3892
Sorry to confuse I was placed on the Rocha witness list.
I suppose that when someone has a dog of a case they resort to bizarre behavior. It seems to me that more than one person pursuing this injustice has been drinking the Kool-Aid being served up by the Sterns.
Evidently it seems as though the Sterns are simply “making it up as they go along.”
It’s clear to me that their game plan is to do whatever it takes to hurt the Rocha family.
How sad to live their lives as vengeful human beings.
In a just society, Nancy Stern would have been arrested for assaulting Martin Rocha Jr.
In a just society, the cop that showed up would have taken care to talk to all of the principals.
In a just society, the cop would have taken the time to talk to Martin Jr. about being assaulted.
In a just society, the cops would have written down what Martin Jr. and the driver of the car reported that both of the Sterns said.
In a just society, the police report would reflect that Nancy Stern used vile racial slurs prior to the fingernail clawing.
In a just society, the witnesses would have been believed when they told the police that David Stern told the cops that it was NOT Javier.
However, we’re talking about Lake Arrowhead and San Bernardino here, so all of the above just might be wishful thinking.
It has been rumored that David Stern has told others in the area that he “plans to drive the Rocha family off of the mountain.”
I suppose that if he had clear title to the mountain, he’d be within his rights, right?
Why do the Sterns dislike the Rocha family? Well, clearly, they’ll never admit to racism, so let’s take a look at another ignorant reason.
A few years ago, Dr. Rocha asked the hospital board for a raise, after all, he is a pediatrician, and on call as often as the other doctors. He was denied a raise. I suppose their reasoning was that because his patients are small, his pay should be small, yes? Or, perhaps they felt that treating adults was more important? Oh wait, perhaps they just didn’t want to pay him in a fair and equitable manner.
I have heard that David Stern has twisted this into “Dr. Rocha asked me for more money and when I said no he got angry. Now he plans to kill me.”
Could it be that there’s some paranoia going on?
The Rocha family has done nothing to these people, yet they have been targeted due to what ever passes for thought in their accusers brains.
It’s not possible that the Rocha family are the only people that they have done this to. Their behavior makes it clear to me that they’re professional bullies.
Why can they do this? Let’s face it, because they have money and have a whole lot of people scared.
I hope the court can get to the bottom of this, and if the Sterns need to be told the “Facts of Life” by the court so be it!
I hope in the end, the families can start to get along with each other.
Oh wouldn’t that be just the best! I hope that can be someday.
Sgt. Milstar, serious dude, what recent cases have come to your attention to make you believe the COURTS in SB County are going to get to the bottom of ANYTHING around here?
Now I could have missed something in the last several years of this blog, but the only COMPELLING ruling that has resulted in the DA’s office getting their ass burnt just a little, is Judge McCarville dismissing 5 of 7 counts against Jeff Burum?
We have TWO cases that went NOT GUILTY against Deputy Sheriff’s for PETTY BS that adds to the mix of the DA’s BS. We know the Judges in both case asked the DA why are we prosecuting these cases and got the, “I don’t have a choice” in the matter.
NOW we have County Council attorney caught “red handed” presenting FALSE evidence against another cop.
PLEASE tell me YOU all are waiting for another 737 jetliner to crash into the County government building before you QUITE thinking a judge around here will call BS on those who feed their GRAVY train.
My apology to the second to last line of above commentary to the work QUIT!!!!
I thank the good lord that NONE of our leaders in the Gulf War of 1991 came from SB County. I do believe we would still be there if that was the case.
Martin, I was sent your link and was asked my thoughts on it by a friend. My question to you is, did they base the PC245(A)(1),PC368(C),and PC664/484(A) on what happened in the video or is there another incident? I asked this because I do not see any of this in the video. Also did you file charges when she scratched you and did you file a complaint with the department?
Great questions…it’s my understanding the police report was filed using only what Nancy Stern told them…all the lies!!! Some investigative work! And I do hope Martin can still file charges as he was the one assaulted…not even on the Stern’s property…they went after him on an easement shared by several homeowners. The truth will prevail…
Hi,
The video is the entire incident. The rest appears to be completely based on the comments of David and Nancy Stern. The moment any official saw the contents of this video this thing should have been brought to a screeching halt but I think by then the powers that be were in it too far. Pretty much then it became about damage control. That is why they keep trying so hard to get Andrew to plead out. That way the county and others might become judgement proof. This is just my opinion so…….but for sure it is time to free Javier Rocha.
Mr. Schrader the video is the whole thing. I must agree with you and the video does not uphold the charges. Does it? Mr. Schrader I hope you can change things. I hope the Rocha family think about this when the election is here and back someone like you. Just saying.
Be Safe
Rene wait…..about the raise rejection Davd said, “When I said no”, I?????? Isn’t there a hospital board? “When I said no”!!!!!! Wow. This just gets worse as far as the respectability of David Stern. .
Antoinette, it has been reported that it’s David Stern who has twisted it into “he’s the one who said no” when in fact, Dr. Rocha went to the board.
Character assassination is apparently the name of the game here.
As for Martin Jr. pressing charges, he did call the police and tell them that he had been attacked, however, they did nothing about that, instead someone there reportedly told him that they “knew” he was trying to cover for his brother Javier. It appears that they wanted the 18 year old boy twisting in the wind.
The video that has been circulated is the only video regarding that morning. If anyone is saying that another one exists, they’re lying liars because Javier was NOT there.
Now, Javier is at the West Valley Detention Center, apparently being kept from his parents who want to visit him, as he watches the corrections officers brutalize other people.
I certainly hope he gets checked for bruises. Additionally, an investigation needs to be done, as well as proper training of the corrections officers to let those brutes know that they’re not at Gitmo.
I can’t tell you all how upsetting and painful this is to me. To know that an innocent boy is being harmed by a man who I have respected all these years and that this man will stoop so low. That this poor boy locked up and afraid could your boy or my boy and that the authorities are participating in this grave injustice, keeps me awake at night.
Ya know these same people can’t seem to get the man who started the old fire and killed several people in the process, one of whom was a loved one of mine, on trial and prosecuted but have plenty of time and money for this travestiy is just sickening.
And where may I ask is our print news all this time? Nothing from the Mountain News since the time of the incident. Not one word that I have seen. Cowardly and shameful.
I will never buy another copy of that paper.
Apparently, Nancy Stern is expressing concern for Javier to the authorities. She just can’t understand why he did this. No wonder she can’t understand it. He didn’t do anything!
A popular theory among the prosecution folk is that Javier did do this and that Martin put him up to it. And that Martin is claiming he did it because he feels bad for getting his brother in trouble. No kidding this is what they truly are going to put forth.
I know for a fact that David Stern predicts that the Rocha’s will move off the mountain and that, “it will take about a year”. One wonders how he can so confidently make such a prediction.
I predict the Stern name will never be the same after this and probably shouldn’t be.
@ACU – Since this is going to a jury trial, A jury will be deciding this case. A judges job is to see that proper court procedures are followed. We have already had two cases tried by the DA, where the judge asked the DDA why did you take this case to trial. If a jury finds the young man “Not Guilty”, I expect the judge to ask the question again.
Antoinette, I think that we can forget about the Mountain News. I wrote to the publisher, editor and all of their reporters without a response. Clearly, they’re not a newspaper, they’re the Stern’s newsletter.
That Nancy Stern is expressing concern for Javier is laughable. This is the woman who would stand either in her yard or in her house flashing obscene gestures through the window every single time a Rocha went past her house. The main reason that she cannot understand “why he did this” is that he simply WAS NOT THERE. Sheesh. She looks like a big liar to me.
I’m thinking that the reason David Stern is predicting that the Rocha family will move off of the mountain is because he is hand in glove with the authorities there, and he will do whatever it takes. Considering that he got the police to arrest Javier on false charges, and they knew it, he has their backing. He has reportedly told others that he KNEW it was not Javier but that he didn’t care. That’s about as arrogant as you can get. It seems to me that with that amount of arrogance and ability to manipulate the police with his lies, he has no reason to stop lying now. I remain appalled that this type of person can sit on the hospital board.
As for the cops arresting Javier, they did it on Nancy Stern’s word. If this is what they call an investigation, then they need to change their name to the Keystone Kops.
It also seems to me that unless David Stern went blind and lost his mind after he told the police that it WASN’T Javier, who his wife attacked by the way, he is as much of a lying liar as she is.
Bottom line here, the video shows Nancy Stern attacking Martin Jr. She scratched his neck, she drew blood. She tried to pull him out of the car. She screamed racial slurs at him.
As I said before, Martin Jr. DID call to report that he was attacked, but the police IGNORED him. Are police calls recorded? I wonder, if they are and considering that the police deny that he called, I’m thinking they’ve more than likely already erased it.
Yikes. These people have my brain and eyeballs spinning.The sentence above in the fourth paragraph should read:
It also seems to me that unless David Stern went blind and lost his mind after he told the police that it WASN’T Javier, BUT HIS BROTHER, who his wife attacked by the way, he is as much of a lying liar as she is.
Wonder what would happen if all of us called David and Nancy and ask them to please get Javier out of jail…NOW!! They would just have to say ‘they made a mistake or lied, and take responsibility for their actions!’ What a concept! The only problem with that would then be the forthcoming lawsuits against the Sterns and rightly so.
Unfortunately you folks are not quite getting it. The Sterns, as bad as you think they are, really aren’t the problem. You see, normal citizens can say whatever they want to the cops as long as they don’t outright lie under certain circumstances. The Sterns, even if they did outright lie, aren’t able to put someone in jail, deny bail and file charges against whoever they want. The real bad guys here are the cops and the justice system. I think some of you are new to this blog and are maybe just starting to open your eyes, but those of us who have been around for years have seen this going on for a long long time. You see, San Bernardino County didn’t earn the reputation of corruption overnight. This is just the latest in a long string of issues. Some of us have tried to speak up but we are rarely listened to. The news papers every once in a while report on a corruption story but usually it is after the fact and never really gets to the bottom of the story. There are very few investigative reporters left.
Here is the bottom line. The problem you need to seek a solution for is the management heads. Sheriff Hoops, the Executive Staff at the Sheriff’s Dept., Mike Ramos and the Supervising DA’s, and in particular for this case, Captain Ells of the Twin Peaks Shetiff’s Station. Captain Ells has a long history of trying to be political and going after innocent people just because someone politically connected wants something out of it. A true investigative reporter or defense attorney investigator would easily be able to find incidents in his past where this had happened. Just think of the most recent incidents involving Captain Ells; he was the Lt in charge for the Kephart tasing, he was the one who ordered Deputy Chief Cochran’s computer be recovered at all costs, and now this. These are just the incidents we know about. Imagine what we don’t know. Imagine what can be dug up with a little investigating. How about starting with some of the recent transferees from there? I hear Captain Ells is not at all well liked. Maybe one of the deputies will give up the goods on him under subpoena. They may be willing to stay quiet but not lie under oath.
Seek out the true cause of why this happened instead of focusing on the incident at hand.
Again and again I think, why isn’t Fowler being tried. Was isn’t all this time and money being spent on that truly guilty person? This is too frightening. This could any one of us or anyone of our family. Once Javier is freed we probably need to work on the justice system in San Bernardino County.
I was watching “To Kill a Mocking Bird” last night. Seems like the south may have moved north.
After a talk with David I came to understand that this is all about getting the Rocha’s to leave. When I told him I had seen the video and that it did not match the reported events, after a pause he said, “They have been trying to kill us for 7 years, they” long list of accusations……..”it’s got to stop”. So I took it as by whatever means necessary. I didn’t call David to have something to report. I called my friend to ask him to put a stop to this. To appeal to his better nature. To ask him to do the right thing. It wasn’t a conversation that I had with him to use against him. Now it is another matter.
I appeal to the justice system to do the right thing as soon as possible. Javier should be at home today celebrating the Risen Lord, barbequeing, whatever. Ricky Fowler should be on death row. This isn’t that hard, jeees………………………
Perhaps The mountian news should be renamed the MOUNTIAN NEWS STOPPER. Disgusting.
How about Mountain News Fabricator? Or Mountain News Fairytales?
As for the Sterns apologizing for their actions, they’ve gone too far. To admit their mistake would be to admit their deliberate lie, and to admit they lied would be to admit their bigotry and racism, and to admit that, their perception of their reputation in the community would suffer.
However, this is the thing, their reputation has already suffered irreparable harm… and at their own hands.
Apparently torturing the Rocha’s all day and night every day and night for all these years wasn’t getting the job done fast enough. But ya know the Stern’s had it good for all this time. Maybe didn’t realize that by shinning the light on the Rocha’s, they would reveal the real deal. Or rather the real Stern’s.
Sgt: I agree with you. I have said all along that SBSD was hip deep in this thing by the time any of them realized their mistake. I strongly believe the DA’s office initally started out to cya the sheriff’s. By the time anyone really looked at that tape the thing was too far gone. There would be no other reason they are working so hard to get a plea out of Javier.
I’ve seen the video, numerous times, and read the police report. In the video anybody with half a brain cell can clearly see NO physical assault on Nancy Stern EVER happened. She was NEVER pushed to the ground, her glasses ‘taken’ from her, nor does she seem to suffer a heart attack. But…the police reports, and her, state all of these things happen. Why?
I DO see David and Nancy Stern struggle with the young man in his car…. how come that’s not on the report?
Sgt, I appreciate the points that you have made. From everything I’ve read and heard, I do understand the level of corruption that permeates San Bernardino. The sleaze factor is overwhelming. I do get it.
However, what I’ve been railing about all of this time is the fact that the Sterns LIED. Outright and from the get go. They got the ball rolling knowing they were accusing a kid who wasn’t there, and the cops sided with them to the point that when Javier’s brother called them to tell them he was the one who had been involved and attacked, they ignored him, even though they knew they had the wrong person.
As for Captain Ells, he was on television saying that Javier’s brother had not called and that he had not seen the surveillance video, so I already know he’s a liar.
Perhaps one of the deputies will indeed give up the goods on Ells. However, that might depend upon how much he likes his job, or whether or not he has another job already lined up elsewhere away from the stink.
Jon Mayagoitia, the reason the struggle between the Sterns and Martin Jr. was not on the report is that the cops took Nancy Stern’s word as gospel. She was not going to admit to attacking Martin Jr. or scratching his neck when she could weave any story she wanted and then spoon feed it to the cops who arrived.
Some might say that everything that she reported to have happened, happened in her imagination, but I don’t think so, I believe that she lied intentionally to hurt the Rocha family, Dr. Rocha in particular.
Sternville………Pottersville, same diff
I am ready to walk with a sign at the courthouse!
Sgt,
“It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government.”
***Thomas Paine***
You are a sworn peace officer of the SB County sheriff. You would not be a whistleblower were you to develop probable cause to arrest those who have committed crimes within SBSO, including CPC 32, CPC 182 & CPC 149, and did what your paid and entrusted to do.
If Rocha is in fact innocent, and those involved know he’s innocent, he was not falsely arrested. He was kidnapped, which is a non-reducible felony. Moreover, prosecutorial and judicial immunity does not apply to crimes committed by prosecutors & judges. So if cops, prosecutors, and judges are in fact principles in kidnapping, they are subject to arrest just like any other dirt bag. If Rocha was in fact kidnapped, US DOJ must investigate.
Sgt, you have read of blatant incompetence of SBSO deputies on this blog. What have you done to fix it? You have read of blatant corruption of your agency. What have you done to fix it? Anyone can parrot what we all know to be true. But what have you actually done to fix dereliction and corruption that festers within your agency? Have you arranged for remediation for deputies who haven’t a clue of CPC 20? Who haven’t a clue of evidence? Would you want such morons responding to a call for service you might have?
You agency is so screwed up that when a deputy actually does his job -most of it was done for him when a suspect left her cell phone at the scene- that other deputies actually seek recognition for what was nothing more than a cop doing what he was paid to do. It’s obvious that within SBSO, when a deputy actually performs the requirements of his job as opposed to dereliction of duty -which is the SBSO norm- other, amazed SBSO deputies believe it’s cause to celebrate.
As I see it, here are your choices:
1. Bury your head in the sand & continue to work for the agency of last resort
2. Yack about SBSO’s dereliction & corruption yet do nothing about it
3. Risk your career by doing the right thing -become a patriot!
Were I you, I’d develop a dossier of criminal activity within SBSO. You will need provable facts. I would hire my own attorney. Everything I collect would go to her/him. When s/he believes s/he has enough to make a contact without SB County such as US DOJ, s/he would act. I’d stay away from Kamala Harris, the CA AG. I don’t much trust Obama’s US DOJ either. But so long as you hire the right lawyer, allow her to play ball. Lawyer-client confidentiality will
help protect you.
There are a lot of posters here who believe corruption lurks behind every sagebrush. They destroy their credibility with wild accusations. Cops know that facts are controlling. I can get anyone to tell me about UFO’s at Roswell. But where are SBSO patriots?
R
WHERE IS SAN BERNARDINO’S SERPICO?
In October, and again in December 1971, Serpico testified before the Knapp Commission:[6]
“ Through my appearance here today…I hope that police officers in the future will not experience…the same frustration and anxiety that I was subjected to…for the past five years at the hands of my superiors…because of my attempt to report corruption. I was made to feel that I had burdened them with an unwanted task. The problem is that the atmosphere does not yet exist…in which an honest police officer can act…without fear of ridicule or reprisal from fellow officers. Police corruption cannot exist unless it is at least tolerated…at higher levels In the department. Therefore, the most important result that can come from these hearings…is a conviction by police officers that the department will change. In order to ensure this…an independent, permanent investigative body…dealing with police corruption, like this commission, is essential.. ”
Frank Serpico was the first police officer in the history of the New York Police Department to step forward to report and subsequently testify openly about widespread, systemic corruption payoffs amounting to millions of dollars.[7]
R,
As a retired law enforcement officer, resident of this county, and tax paying citizen, what have YOU DONE to rid the sheriffs department of corruption and incompetence? Write letters? Type on a blog? Enlighten us all please
Perhaps we could continue to focus on obtaining justice for the Rocha family, and for Javier. Perhaps we could not allow this discussion to stray from the fact that Javier is still not at home. I will jump in with both feet on the corruption thing when “Andy” is home with his family and the Rocha”s can live in their own home in peace.
They could be us.
Justice is selectively enforced….. Welcome to the new America….
No Ray-fooly, those are not my choices. I believe it is much more noble to try and change my Dept from within. I would love to be a patriot line Serpico but I also have a family to worry about By educating my peers, subordinated and even every once in a while my bosses, I can effect change much more profound than were I to up and quit just to prove a point. Over the past several years, I have made it my goal to speak out on policies, procedures and issues I see going on in my Dept. I am not going to expand much further but there are many things I have done to show as many as I can the truth about what I believe being a true cop is. I railed against Hoops and his minions during the last election and I believe I got numerous depities to not vote for him. I think I will be more successful next election. If I were to quit, I would have little to no say at all in the thinking of these people.
I will also say, I think by staying on the inside, I have exposed many issues right here on this blog. This blog, as insignificant as some would like it to be, is influencing more than I think anyone realizes. I have said it before and I will say it again; almost everyone I know on the Dept actively reads or had read this blog. I have heard it talked about in briefings and staff meetings. And I have also heard it talked about by command and executive staff.
So in conclusion, I believe I am doing a lot to effect change. What are you doing as a private citizen and retired OC copper?
Sgt,
“What are you doing as a private citizen and retired OC copper?”
I am educating your deputies who don’t know evidence, who don’t know when a crime has been committed, and I am schoolin’ them on substantive & adjective law: the stuff you should be doing.
Sgt, I have never asked you to quit. I have asked you to become more proactive in transforming your abysmal agency into a professional law enforcement agency.
Sgt, you yack a lot on this blog, but I have yet to read what you have done to improve the image of your agency. What squared away cop would want to lateral from a professional law enforcement agency to SBSO? I’d rather sell popcorn at Disneyland than wear SBSO tan and green.
What the hell have you done to teach law enforcement concepts to JustCurious, Anonymous, & Balse’? Were I you, I’d be building jackets on those three idiots in order to justify their forced lateral to Wally World PD. But you appear good going 10-8 with dead weight.
sgt, go to OC and get yourself a real cop job. Then I’ll be impressed that you really have your shit together.
Adios,
R
Hoops for Wal-Mart Greeter of the Year,
What I have done is avoid contacting SBSO for any reason. You guys are infamous for kissing off crimes including felonies. Apparently you guys are pretty good at kidnapping innocent citizens.
R
It seems to have been well established that the Sterns are liars and harassers, what with Nancy flashing vile and obscene gestures at the Rocha family, and then lying to the police, but apparently David Stern has now taken to making faces at Dr. Rocha whenever he encounters him. What’s that about?
I thought only teenage girls did that. Apparently, I was wrong. I guess he believes that he’s entitled to act in this manner. How pathetic is that?
Here’s the thing, a person can make withdrawals from the Karmic Bank only so many times. Sooner or later Karma comes calling. The tragedy here is that when Karma arrives, the people that live to be vile never get the message.
I know that Dr. Rocha is a good person who only wants to be left alone, yet the Sterns cannot seem to do that.
Clearly, the Ethic of Reciprocity is not in their vocabulary. It’s obvious, at least to me, that treating other people as they themselves would wish to be treated, is not something that comes naturally to them. It’s unfortunate that they seem to apply it only to people who are like-minded, or look like they do.
I’ve personally never encountered such nasty and duplicitous people who have so aggressively done to me what the Sterns have done to the Rocha family, and hopefully I never will.
Does anyone know the lastest on Javier? Any encouraging news?
So David Stern a man in his 60′s is “making faces” at Dr. Rocha? Wow.
David must be feeling unsure of himself.
David please, for your sake as well as the Rocha family put an end to this.
Antoinette, neither David or Nancy Stern will ever do the right thing. It seems to me that they’ve drifted too far into the dark side with their pettiness and terrible nature.
So, did anyone go to court today to watch Nancy Stern deliberately testify falsely under oath?
Isn’t that perjury?
Why yes, yes it is. Isn’t perjury a felony? At the very least it’s in very bad taste.
Is the trial going on? I would love to go, sit in the back, make sure the Sterns see me and then just watch. I have known them for more than 20 years so this is all very sad. But…right is right and wrong is wrong. All one has to do is watch the video! I guess we are all seeing ‘their other side!’
Why has Sheriff Hoops allowed this to continue? Will he help? No he does not care. If you have money and political ties he will help. Go after the source of this injustice. The deputy works for Hoops. You should have 500 protesters at the Sheriff’s Office demanding justice, demanding Hoops to do what is right. No Justice! No Hoops! No Justice! No Hoops! I am sure there are several people reading this thats got the shaft from him. It’s time to stop him from allowing this type of injustice.
I can be at the court on Thursday. Does anyone else need a ride?
I am sure I speak for those who can’t make court when I say that I am eagerly awaiting the update!!!
Please know I am there with you in spirit. I must take my husband to the airport at 1 pm so no way to attend. But I would LOVE to be in the gallery. I AM there with you ; -)
I went to court today. It was fabulous watching Martin Jr. his father Dr. Rocha and the young man who lives there, and was with Andy the entire morning, testify truthfully and confidently, despite the withering cross exam.
The prosecutor is of course trying to score points, but being demeaning and condescending is not very attractive when asking the same question 20 times.
If they’re going to try to float the asinine theory that Andy crept out of the house, attacked Nancy Stern and then crept back inside, then they will have to produce video showing him outside, and then they’ll have to explain why Nancy who claims she had a heart attack was strong enough to assault Martin Jr. BEFORE she went to the hospital to claim injury.
In my humble opinion, Nancy Stern has lied so much I’m amazed she has not been struck by lightening.
Rene lets have a little faith in the jury, I can’t say it always happens, but you’d be amazed how jurors can see through the smoke and BS more often than not. Especially if someone trys to pile it on.
Reasonable doubt is easy to create. Most prosecutors use video tape that reasonably shows what they are attempting to prove.
In this case it seems to be quite the opposite in effect.
If the DA is trying to beat up on all the Rocha’s, and the jury picks up on that, it could be adverse to the DA on that alone.
I haven’t read anywhere on anyones feelings about the defense attorney. I see where they filed a 170.6 motion on Judge Victor, a wise move indeed.
So how is the attorney for the Rocha family doing?
Is Nancy still claiming she had a heart attack? That would be bad if she claimed that in court when her husband told me himself that she did not have a heart attack.
I don’t think anyone could rattle Dr. Rocha. This calmness of his completely disspells the Sterns claim that he could be the harrassing or threatening type. That takes an intensity the Doctor really doesn’t seem to be capable of .
So Rene, what is your feeling about how this is going?
AntiCorruptionUnit, thank you for the consistently thoughtful commentary. I for the most part do have faith in the jury, but we all know that it only takes one.
As for the defense attorney, he is quite young, but very smart. He has not been in this field, nor in this area nor in the San Bernardino system for years and years, which makes it difficult for anyone to intimidate, sway, or buy him off.
The DA’s treatment of Martin Jr. was disgraceful, but he did not get flustered, nor did he rise to the bait, despite her interruptions.
That’s the thing about telling the truth, it never changes. Unlike the inconsistencies between the police report and the video.
Yes, considering that Judge Victor was giving his own opinions on the matter at hand, it was brilliant to remove him.
Antoinette, I do believe that it was in the police report that Nancy reported thinking she was having a heart attack. However, considering that both David and Nancy lie so blithely, she might not know that her husband said that she didn’t.
You’re right about Dr. Rocha. He is as unflappable, as his son, Andrew. They both have too much integrity and character to bother to harass or threaten anyone. It might be that the Sterns are confusing their own brand of harassment with their imaginary harassers. All Dr. Rocha wants is to be left alone, yet the Sterns apparently cannot figure out how to do that, which is pitiful.
After sitting in court and hearing what the prosecutor does NOT have we felt better.
Thanks so much for the updates. I too feel better after reading your notes. The TRUTH will prevail…I believe it will be the Sterns who will be forced to move away…they have dug too big of a hole to climb out of.
So then, considering that the prosecution cannot prove that Javier was anywhere near the net, and that it was in fact Martin Jr. who was assaulted verbally and physically by Nancy Stern, after having removed the net across their easement, what crime can they prove Martin Jr. committed when in fact, the only crime committed that morning was Nancy Stern assaulting Martin Jr.?
Can they attempt to prosecute Martin Jr. when their credibility is in effect shot due to going after younger brother Javier?
Why yes, yes they can… as long as they continue to act like baboons.
Actually, if they did do just that, the ENTIRE CASE NOW would be brought before the new jury and clearly laid out how ENTIRELY INCOMPETENT THE DA IS and how now at this point they are willing to prosecute ANYONE to save face……. You can’t fix stupid
Who was driving the car? I understand he was supposed to be testifying yesterday. Who did he say was in the car with him.
Darren (not sure about spelling) confirmed that it was Martin Jr.
God bless Darrin! Were the Stern’s in the courtroom when he testified? DA couldn’t shake him?
I have asked David Stern peronally and in writing to put a stop to this disgusting, evil, corrupt, lying, mess for his sake and much as anything else. But I am afraid that with each passing hour it is becoming too late for David. And even later for his wife. The truth is being told, the facts are entering the light of day. Finally and rightfully. While a person can lie under oath, it is a truly bad idea. My question is what will happen when this is over. Will the Stern’s have to answer for any of it?
Justice will prevail. People can hide from the truth, but not from God. I’m very optimistic that Andrew will be freed this coming Monday. Just pray for him. Believe me!
Antoinette, I do not believe that David or Nancy Stern will ever take responsibility for their part in this sickening travesty of justice. They lied to the police, they lied to the DA and they lied to the jury. They’re probably out there somewhere lying to their friends, at least those they’ve not turned against yet for some imagined mistake.
Despite the fact that the DA has taken the position that the Rocha family has lied, all of the evidence has pointed to the Sterns having lied. Nothing that they had to say held up in the face of the video.
Let’s all remember that the police knew all along they’ve had the wrong Rocha.
Let’s all remember that even though the DA insists that Javier was the one in the video, the body type is different.
Let’s all remember that while David Stern claimed that the person who “attacked” his wife had NO facial hair, Javier had a few weeks worth of a beard.
Let’s all remember that even though he hollered for Nancy to let Martin Jr. go, he lied about Javier.
Let’s remember that even though the Sterns have been pointedly annoying and harassing the Rocha Family for years, they suddenly don’t know the difference between the Rocha boys.
Let’s all remember that Martin Jr. is the one who ended up with Nancy’s fingernail marks on his neck.
Let’s all remember that there’s no video showing Javier going outside until AFTER the incident when he walked out with his friend Jonathan.
Let’s all remember the video showing Ells asking both Javier and his friend if either of them was Martin Jr. and when they said who they were HE LET THEM GO.
Let’s all remember that he more than likely went back into the Stern’s house to swallow more of their lies, washed down with large gulps of Stern Kool-Aid.
Let’s all remember that David and Nancy Stern have had a personal vendetta against the Rocha family. They’re out to destroy them and they will stop at nothing to do this.
Dr. Rocha is a dedicated mild-mannered pediatrician, they really have NOTHING on him, so they instead go after his son. Why not? They’re obviously vicious, vindictive and cruel people.
They have no conscience about what they’re doing to this family. I truly believe that they are nothing more than evil liars as well as pitiful, nasty and vengeful bullies.
Will David or Nancy Stern ever have to answer for any of this? Maybe not, especially since it seems that they have these cops in their pocket.
After spending so many years supporting the police, I have to say that these sheriff’s deputies in San Bernardino county make me sick.
Rene,
Why don’t you stop adding your obviously biased opinion about this on a daily basis and let the jury do it’s job. You clearly have an agenda and quite frankly it’s getting annoying reading about it. It will
Be extremely interesting if this kid is found guilty what your response will be. Can’t wait for that to happen.
James Mills, quit trying to get on my good side. It won’t work, no matter how much charm and flattery you use.
Just so you’ll know, if Javier is found guilty my response will be exactly what it has been. The San Bernardino court system as well as the local deputies are clearly corrupt and on the take if they will ignore the evidence and take the word of the vindictive and evil Local Mr. and Mrs. Boss Hogg whose only reason for living is to hurt people they find fault with.
As for you, you have obviously already convicted Javier, which tells me that you are the one who has none of the facts and all of the bias.
I spoke with Dr Rocha last night and the jury has the case now. They will call Martin Jr to let him know when they have reached their verdict. He will go to the court. He stayed down the hill because of the possible weather. D & N have not been in court the last couple days. Apparently the prosecutor called everyone a liar EXCEPT D&N and the sheriff. Tried every which way to disprove the timeline.
When Andrew is acquitted he will immediately walk free out of the court room. That’s the vision I will hold for him. Then we will have a BIG party to welcome him home and give him a much overdue hug!
Mr. Mills, I don’t know you and I probably don’t want to. I perceive you as a loud mouthed mean-sprited idiot as anyone who would insist on the persecution of the innocent ANY innocent, would naturally be. The next innocent person could be your or yours. I haven’t heard from you on the prosecution of Rikky Fowler who did kill the innocent. A person who our DA’s can’t seem try and convict. However, our DA does seems to have endless time and money for this pathetic “We are the Stern’s” show. Shame on you.
I do know David Stern and I must say again he has been a good friend to me. Whenever I have needed his advice he has unstintingly provided it. Several times he really went out of his way to help in a financial matter. I have known and liked him for the better part of my adult life.
When I read about the Rocha incident I just felt sorry for all involved…….until I saw the video.
Then I just felt upset and puzzled as to what David was doing or rather encourageing. Clearly this incident did not occur as stated by either Stern. I have never known David Stern to be a liar until now. In fact, I defended him to the Rocha’s telling them perhaps David felt obligated to stand by his wife for better or worse…..I called him because I truly believed this was just something that got away from him, that he would stop it.
Even now when I know he had to lie on the stand to try to save himself, his wife, the sheriff, department and the DA from what will come after this it all just makes me very sad.
If Javier is convicted it will remain the travisty of justice it has been from the begining. It will confirm the fears of the citizens or our mountains that justice will be hard to come by for the foreseeable future and the life of any innocent family Rocha’s or you and me, yours and mine. It will be confirmation that in San Bernardino County it will be about who you know and who knows you.
And for me no matter what happens a friend I have always respected and cared about has participated in this horrible event. On the horrible side. David Stern will always be my firend but what he has done can never be forgotten. I would never have believed such a thing about David NEVER. But he did it. He didn’t stop it when he could have and should have. Not the man I thought I knew. I am so unhappy for all concerned, even David Stern.
Of course!!! The video tells the entire story. Just like the innocent cop in Compton a few years ago who punched the poor innocent black 16 year old in the face. The video outlined how this cop was clearly racist and heavy handed. He was crucified in the media and terminated from his job. It then came out that the poor innocent teen was squeezing the cops testicles and this punch was self defense. Video evidence is great when viewed with eyes that only want to see one side of the event.
I’m sure Dr. Rocha is a great guy. His kids are less to be desired. It’s pretty clear by Andrews criminal history that he has been involved in drugs and doesn’t cooperate with law enforcement. So with this type of attitude, do you think he would be a pleasant neighbor to be around if there has been obvious tensions. Hell no. Whoever went over to the net and moved it provoked this whole incident. It is clear on the video that this singke eventstarted this whole storm. He should have known better. He should have never stepped on another’s property without permission.
And to insist that the whole court system, deputies, victims are all to blame because of some sort of perceived corruption is ludicrious. I guess we shall see what the jury says. Good day.
Mr. Mills let’s not forget how ineffectual Mr. Hoops and some of his slim is when it comes to the Law. He must have his hand in this trial.
The rampant ignorance with which some people post is unbelievable.
NO ONE was standing on the Stern’s property. When Martin Jr. was removing the netting from their easement, he was standing on the street.
Andrew does NOT have a criminal record.
Bottom line here: The Sterns lied. You can believe what you want, it no longer matters. Your arguments are clearly baseless due to not understanding the facts which means that you have no credibility. Too bad too, I would have enjoyed a decent exchange of ideas, but considering where you’re coming from regarding this incident, I’m afraid it would be like talking to a wall.
Good day to you as well.
Mills your post is further proof of your mean spirit. You seem to imply quite strongly that because the net was touched whatever came next is deserved. Or that anything in Andrews should be held against him forever. Wow I hope your past is super pristine and that noboby ever has a reason to find out. A cop was persecuted unjustly. So…………now no tape can be true. How about the eyewitness testimony?
We well see what the jury decides. All sides have been heard. At least that part of justice has been served. Once your life ends up in the hands of strangers only they can tell the outcome. Hope it never happens to you. Good day indeed.
Antoinette Gray,
“How about the eyewitness testimony?”
You must have not been following this blog for too long. According to SBSO deputies, statements of witnesses are not evidence of a crime. SBSO is the only law enforcement agency of which I am aware that teaches its deputies that statements are not evidence.
According to the “California Peace Officers Legal Source Book” of CA AG’s office, statements are in fact extremely powerful evidence. But what do lawyers know compared to SBSO deputies???
Good Luck,
R
R I think I’m confused. If statements aren’t evidence then what is this all about? I was talking about the witnesses on the stand during the trail. So now I am confused.
R, now I am confused. I was talking about the testimony from the witnesses in court. As far as deputies taking statements is concerned, I know of one case where a young girl was molested by a known felon, he waived a knife in her face after he licked her breasts and implied she not leave. He took her phone. When she finally was allowed to leave, the sheriffs were called. I was told that they went to his house but he wouldn’t come to the door. They called but he wouldn’t come to the phone, therefore I was told they couldn’t do anything because “he won’t talk to us”. The guy still has young girls at his house as far as I know. I guess the sherrif was worried about a he said she said kind of thing. But it still stinks
Anonymous,
JustCurious insisted that statements are not evidence. He went to a ridiculous extent in effort to defend his belief that statements are not evidence. However, he is not the only SBSO deputy who has told me that statements are not evidence.
Statements are in fact evidence. And many crimes, especially sex crimes, are he-said-she-said investigations. Women allege, suspects deny: it’s up to cops and later prosecutors to make the call. Defendants have been executed based upon witness statements alone.
Often the only proof cops have are statements of crime partners. This puts cops and prosecutors in quandaries. Prosecutors are forced to cut a deal with a bad guy in order to nail a more serious bad guy. Without the statements of the less guilty, no one is convicted.
Adios,
R
Even a lie is evidence. If a suspect or witness lied to me, I locked s/he into that lie, especially if I could prove the statement was a lie. That’s because the one giving me the statement (lie) would not be able to change her/his story later without risk of exposure as a liar.
Rene, you state:
“Andrew does NOT have a criminal record.”
You may want to go back and read his Criminal History in the report posted by his family. Pay special attention to the FELONY Burglary arrest (and subsequent Probation), Obstruction and drug charges…
Please tell me where to find that report, I would like to read it. Thanks in advance
And Anonymous might want to include that such prior issues can only be used to impeach one’s credibility if they get onto the witness stand and attempt to paint a picture of themselves as being an ANGEL in real life.
Second, ones prior record is used at the time of sentencing.
OTHERWISE the prior record is MOOT. If one talks about or blurts out the defendant is simply a dirt bag because he has prior arrest and convictons, GENERALLY such comments might very well be grounds for a mistrial. Why, such comments are prejudicial and may not be relevant to the issue at hand.
If using ones prior convictions and arrest had substance in REAL life, then such circumstances would be allowed in the BODY of the police report versus ONLY be attached to the investigative report.
Prior thefts and a drug convictions does not make one a VIOLENT person on it’s face.
Would Deputy Asboth appreciate being accussed by defense council, since his wife was part of the POST scandal as being a potential liar and thief by mere association? I don’t think so. Being associated with the POST scandal has more teeth in my opinion than a burglary conviction, why, it involves ALL cops. NOT GOOD!!!
Better yet if a cops personnel file became the center of controversy in a case like this. You might see the prosecution scrambling to make ALL kinds of objections. MIGHT be to prejudicial to the people’s case?
We always have a two sided coin to look at when one says, HE has priors for whatever, so he must be a BAD GUY!!!!!!
I can look at the Rocha’s posting their son’s prior issues in two ways, that was foolish to do, OR they are not hiding the fact their son has made mistakes.
Coming out and saying YES, I have screwed up in the past, I am not perfect, but I did not beat this lady up, GOES a long way to MANNING up.
And since law enforcement uses CONVICTED criminals who have a much uglier past than Rocha, citizens might point the same finger for the same reasons.
Just my 2 cents. LET’s be fair!!!
I should have said when Law Enforcement uses convicted criminals as informants.
Wow maybe Javier was the second shooter in the Kennedy assasination. I hope and pray that my past while not criminal will never be brought up. Perhaps posters you do not have a criminal past but have done ethical and immoral things you will regret to the grave. Hope no one finds out.
The fact remains that even if Javier has been immature in the past, his deamenor and behavior in this case proves he has matured. And whatever the outcome this is not about then this is about now.
ACU, no need to get your drawers in a bunch. Rene said he had NO criminl record. It was pointed out to her that he, in fact, did. Nothing more.
Take a breath, dude.. you’re getting all fired up over nothing but someone sharing information
I too would like to see this report. Although it won’t make much difference to me in this matter. Where can this report be found? Obviously some of you have seen it.
As far as past crimes, it is very interesting to me that Ricky Fowler has not yet been put to the test in a court of law on his past crimes. No one can seem to get him in court at all let alone make him answer for his past crimes, AS AN ADULT.
How brave of the Rocha’s to make a full disclosure. How honest. How telling. People with nothing to hide, hide nothing. I thought that any crimes or most crimes committed before the age of eighteen were sealed at eighteen. Can someone tell me if this is correct?
Found the report attached to end of the police report. Two counts of possesion dismissed. One count of 2nd degree burglury. Probation, restitution, fine. The fine is not to be used for employment or certification and some other thing I forgot. The file is restricted. I think this occured in 2008. To this all I STILL say travesty!
You’d make a great private eye ; -) Let’s hope he has learned his lesson and once back home he will walk the straight and narrow for years to come. I agree, that was long ago and has nothing to do with the currnet incident.
Why yes, as a matter of fact, I did say that Javier did not have a criminal record. Everything that was pointed out can be explained by understanding youthful
indiscretion, questionable choices and not very good friends, as a JUVENILE.
Apparently an accusation of a crime automatically makes the accused guilty, unless of course he can walk on water.
As for the rest of us and our collective pasts, all I’ll say is that I’m extremely lucky there were no phone cameras back when I was wasting my youth on one indiscretion after another. We’ve all done stupid things, it’s part of growing up. If we’re lucky, we survive it and learn from it.
As for these baseless charges, Javier was not there.
The district attorney and the sheriff’s deputies and huff and puff all they want, the fact is, Javier was not there.
Martin Jr. was the one that was attacked by Nancy Stern. David Stern then lied about it.
Period.
Amen to you Rene! Sometimes when I think about some of the things I did while young and stupid it makes me cringe to this day. The report didn’t say anything about hassling the police during this long ago event. So I don’t know where that came from. And techically Rene you are correct at this time Javier does not have a criminal record. Juvenile records are sealed at 18. How the sheriff got to include this in his report is a mystery.
I have a question, and I realize that it is a little late to be asking this.
IF the Rocha’s have been trying to kill, rob, harass, or any of the stuff that the Stern’s have stated has been happening for 7 years. IF the Rocha’s are these terrible monsters…
Why didn’t Nancy Stern stay inside her locked doors, let her camera’s do the looking, and call 911????????
Why, even though Andrew has never bothered her, why trust that this out of control teenaged Rocha wouldn’t harm her. Them being so dangerous and all.
Just askin………………..
Good question. Let me try to answer…
Perhaps because they are lying, duplicitous, deceitful, hateful and openly racist people?
But then I’m just guessing right now. I’ll try to come up with a more definite answer later, after more research.
AG an excellent question for sure.
One need to simply look at the Travon Martin case out of Sanford, FL and you will see the same questions being asked? WE all heard the 911 dispatcher attempt to discourage Zimmerman from confronting or following Travon. THAT will be a big issue at this trial, I will bet money on that one.
If Zimmerman would have just followed Travon until the cops got there, Zimmerman would be a free man right now with NO WORRIES. He elected to up the anty by face to face confrontation, and now is feeling the rath of the public and attorney general.
If Zimmerman would have seen Travon coming out of a neighbors house carrying a TV, then the scale would have tipped in Zimmerman’s favor, but all we had was suspicious circumstances at best. A good idea to let the cops handled such issues.
Now if Rocha was trying to bust the front door down of the Stern’s house, the confrontation that ensued would not likely be questioned. If Rocha had gotten shot, it would very well be ruled justified.
On it’s face, there was no COMPELLING reason to run outside and confront Rocha. No threat to life and property to the level an immediate confrontation would be needed. Taking down the net is NOT destruction of property. And the easement issue rules out trespassing as a lessor included crime.
I am sorry I didn’t see that myself when this story came about, but I have been busy with other issues. But when people get together on issue like this, we can all point out different issue on a given problem.
Much like the Allen Kephart issue, the deputy ordered Allen out of the car, Allen did not jump out of the car and challenged the cop to fight. THERE has been no reasonable explanation or compelling circumstances that explain away the need for this deputy to order Allen out of his car immediately.
Those of us who have had pursuits and failure to yields know the bad guy is not going to pull into a crowded business, park his car in a parking stall, then fight the cops and run. If the deputy is claiming he was fearful, OKAY you don’t want Allen out of the car until the calvery arrives if at all possible.
A bad guy will drive at high speeds, turn down a street, jump from the car and run away, or start shooting the minute they can. The deputy in that case created the OFFICER safety issue himself in his lack of self control and piss poor decision making.
And since that issue comes from the Lake Arrowhead area, and now the Rocha case, well it sure has me wondering what’s going on up there.
In the case of the Stern’s, THEY are claiming they were fearful of the Rocha’s from this long sorted past. ALL the more reason to have stayed in the house, let the camera work, then call police and complain.
I hope defense counsel raised that issue? But hopefully one or more jurors will ask themselve what is an old lady that is so fearful of a YOUNG man, doing confronting him on the taking down of a net across the easement that results in a fight?
Even these days of the cop wearing the superman suit while on duty, who steps in front of a speeding car, when the car doesn’t stop, the cops starts shooting at the car claiming they attempted to run him over. If the cop had not stepped in front of the car, he would not have needed to shoot the occupants.
When you create your own LEVEL of danger when there CLEARLY is a better way to handle the problem, especially when the problem is MINOR in nature to begin with, YOU are going to have problems.
Immediate danger NOT create by yourself, is just that, you have to act or you will die or be seriously hurt. THAT was not the case here, in the Martin case, or in the Kephart case.
Yes citizens and cops walked into immedite unknowning danger everyday, they often have little choice but to act or die. Cops do investigate many little issues that turn into big ones and must act when confronted, of course that is their job.
But not using your head and creating a higher level of danger or a situation that could have been avoided is the basis for MUCH debate, especially in the civil arena.
All it will take is one juror who thinks just that way of Mrs.Stern, and you have a HUNG jury.
Maybe the Sterns were just sick and tired of being bullied by neighborhood punks. Maybe it was time they took action instead of constantly living confined within the walls of their own house!
And we all know that criminal histories are not typically admitted as evidence in front of juries. But outside of the jury, a criminal history paints a picture of the type of person you are dealing with. Certainly a person with drug arrests and burglary conviction shows exactly the type of person we are dealing with. And I don’t care if he was a juvenile. That is not an excuse. As a juvenile, I never once used dope or entered a structure with the intent to steal!!! That tells you a whole lot about little ole’ innocent Andrew!
Till Monday and we will see….
Mills
Andrew will likely be home next week one way or the other which is all anyone really wants anyway.
What you are saying is that Nancy left her house with the INTENTION of creating a confrontation. So finally you agree with us!
I don’t want to start a sheriffs are bad kind of thing at all. I was rasied and have raised my chidren and grandchildren to respect and obey peace officers, and in fact to seek them out in times of trouble. However, I found myself coming back from Blue Jay the other day. After turning on to 18 from Daley I looked in my rear view miiro
Sorry I accicently posted too soon. Anyway when I looked in the mirror and saw a deputy driving behind me I had a split second of real fear. This I call the Kephart legacy, I am not the only one and I suspect it will be around for awhile.
R it’s almost to the point I don’t even read your posts. The same things keep coming out of your mouth. You have not taught one person anything by posting on this blog. Yet I’m sure a lot of people have learned what kind of person you are. A Rat who is a retired cop and had a bad incident with one deputy who you obviously thought she did sometthing wrong. I’m sure you did absolutely nothing in OC for the sheriff’s department as far as corruption goes. You are a waste of air. Oh and please build a jacket on me…you’d be highly surprised…
It’s called black and white fever, lot’s of people get it, heck I still get it………… Especially when it’s a CHP
As long as people who clearly do NOT have all of the facts at their disposal, enjoy focusing on and discussing the past lives, past errors and mistakes made by those directly accused in this trumped up incident, let’s take a look at a few other things that I for one am curious about..but first, this case.
Since everything that has been detrimental to the Rocha family begins and ends with the Sterns, let us take a closer look at these pillars of the community.
If any of what the uninformed Mr. Mills was harping on were true, then WHY didn’t the district attorney want to admit the police report as evidence? SHE DECLINED TO DO SO. Golly gee, why? Because it was full of lies and inaccuracies when compared to the surveillance video. Apparently she felt it was better to point at a 28 year old in the video and try to make people believe that it was an 18 year old they were looking at.
The one constant and important overlooked fact here is that David Stern, by his own admission, has made it his mission in life to be Dr. Rocha’s personal harasser and tormentor since around 2006.
Yes, as a matter of fact this is pathetic and sad.
Back when David Stern sought a restraining order against Dr. Rocha for some ignorant and half-baked reason, Martin Jr. asked David Stern what his father had done and why he (David) felt he needed one. David Stern told him that Dr. Rocha HAD DONE NOTHING, he simply didn’t like him. Apparently that’s the only reason he needed to take to the judge that he told his mendacious “tale of woe” to. Makes me wonder what judge was involved. Perhaps his good buddy? David Stern’s vendetta is against Dr. Rocha, but with nothing on him, he goes after the 18 year old.
After years of torturing this family, he is the one who sought a restraining order? That’s rich.
These people have tormented the Rocha family incessantly. Mrs. Stern has been seen standing at her window flashing what can ONLY be described as obscene gestures to the family. David Stern had told various people in the community that he personally will run the Rocha family off of the mountain. They have pulled accusations with no basis in fact out of the air and have tried to sell them as truths. The Rocha children are NOT neighborhood punks. Anyone who actually believes this without any knowledge of what the Sterns have done, must be drinking the Stern Kool-Aid.
In my opinion, David Stern is not a good or a nice person. He appears to be the neighborhood bully in this scenario.
This can be attested to by other doctors who have come and gone from Lake Arrowhead. Apparently, if they didn’t jump through his arbitrary flaming hoops, he went out of his way to “get rid of them” whether it benefited the community or not.
Word has it that now he feels that the community doesn’t need a pediatrician. Is it due to a bigoted view of Dr. Rocha, or is it due to what appears to be a stranglehold on the hospital board of directors who simply don’t want to pay a fair wage? Perhaps both, since I can only speculate, not having knowledge as to what passes for thought through his head.
I’m sure that with his medical degree and all he feels that he knows best? Wait! He doesn’t HAVE a medical degree.
In my opinion, David Stern and his coterie of weasels need to be stopped before he damages the community any further.
Now, for a bit more perspective on what’s going on in Lake Arrowhead, let’s move on to another investigation that I’d very much like to see occur that would truly benefit the community. This investigation would center on REAL and previously disclosed occurrences, not like the imagined ones in Nancy Stern’s head.
In 2009 a withering letter was written to the Hospital Administration and Board of Directors of the Mountains Community Hospital by the then Chief of Staff, Dr. John Pi addressing the loss of over $9 million dollars during the previous three year period, which resulted in the loss of the OB/GYN department. Was it malfeasance? Was it simply mismanagement? Was it the lack of competent bookkeeping? Was it the lack of oversight? Was it the choice of trees and bushes over patient care? Someone connected to the hospital must demand an investigation into how and why over $9 million dollars vanished.
Since David Stern was the hospital board’s treasurer during that time, having only recently ascended to the presidency, perhaps the questions should begin with him. Where was the oversight? What checks and balances were in place? Why, after the letter by the chief of staff asking these questions, along with other questions regarding conflicts of interest, as well as why administrators were making medical decisions, did the administrators and the hospital board effectively “blow it off”?
One answer given at the time was, “These things happen.” I’m sure that this was met with disdain if not outright disgust, by the seven doctors who put their signatures on it with the chief of staff. It’s not surprising that Dr. John Pi left.
The way times are right now I’m sure that it can be difficult to speak up for fear of losing one’s job, but I’m willing to bet that someone if not several people would like the answer about those $9 million dollars.
People simply need to remember that when accusations are flying around, sometimes the accusers are not who they would have us believe.
If Javier does not go free tomorrow I will have lost all trust in the judicial system as well as always believing that a district attorney will always seek the truth. Sadly, I know I’d be joining a large segment of society.
Rene–
Did ya see where mills finally got the fact that Nancy started the whole thing? That she pretty much diliberately left the safety of her home simply to confront Martin! (my words, you can read his for yourself). I hope someone asked her about that on the stand. A truly fearful person would have stayed where she was and called 911 for help.
I hope I never find out for sure that the best obgyn on the mountain was pushed out for sinister reasons. AND, I give fair warning to ANYONE who would directly contribute to the loss of the only pediatrician on the mountain or in our near area. David has never had children of his own, his choice, so he doesn’t get how important Dr. Rocha is to us.
Didn’t David actively recruit Dr. Rocha to come here in the first place?
The DA told me herself that even if Javier is convicted he will certainly be released the next day.
We will be waiting to hear tomorrow. I hope no matter what happens we will not see gloating from anyone. No matter what a party is in order though to welcome Javier home!
Yes Antoinette, I did notice that he in effect gutted his own argument. Perhaps it was an epiphany? Nah… it was more than likely a case of not knowing what he was talking about, not having the facts and all.
Of course Nancy instigated it. What didn’t occur, she made up. Who would ever think otherwise when she not only stood at her window waving her middle finger, but oftentimes stood practically in the street with her obscene salutes, whenever Dr. Rocha was due to go by?
Yes, Dr. Rocha was actively recruited. Hospitals are very often granted federal funding whenever they have certain specialists on staff for at least two years, maybe more, depending upon the hospital, the area and the funding requirements.
How odd that the harassment, vile treatment, lies and innuendo against Dr. Rocha began after that designated time limit had expired. Coincidence? I think not.
As far as mills is concerned I am done with him. I just can not abide loud mouths. It is so unkind to wish the worst for someone without knowing all the facts. Yet he did.
See I don’t care about Javier’s past. I don’t care about the Stern’s. They have the life they want. I care about my grandchildren’s doctor, and have become a friend of his wife Patricia. I care because this could be anyone of us or anyone we love. I care because these parents have been in jail right along with this boy. No parent should have had to endure this for any reason. I care because the arrest was made before all the evidence was examined or so it would seem. it’s just really enough already! FREE JAVIER ROCHA NOW!
Did the grant call for a hispanic pediatrician in particular? This is all so interesting and informative. Too bad that the Stern’s let this happen because now all kinds of questions need answers. If they had just kept up their slient harrassment this whole thing would have been completely off the radar for most of us. Or just remained a perceived neighborhood dispute. Whole different deal now. I guess some people just don’t know when they have it good. No matter what the Stern’s have lost their luster. They pretty much tared and feathered themselves and they will never get the stain and stink off all the way.
Regarding the missing $$ from the hospital when David was the treasurer….wait a minute he is a financial planner. Huuummmmm
We’re off on to another subject…let’s see Andrew walking out of that courthouse front door today ; -)
NOT GUILTY ON ANY CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OUR GOD IS AN AWESOME GOD!
I knew 12 impartial people would get this. I am happy for the Rocha’s!
THATS AWESOME, CONGRATS
Absolutely wonderful, thank you for your kind support of my brother and his family. Your generous and open heart was a godsend to their isolation and persecution.
Thank you to NLucas as well, she was the first to respond to this outrageous crap.It is good to know and to hear of the support my brother and his family received.
He must be overjoyed.
I have stayed out of this for a couple of reasons, one of which being I wanted to see if justice would be served. Well, partial justice was served today. But we will not have total justice unless the prosecutor and cops in this story are prosecuted themselves for the crimes they have committed on behalf of a friend, campaign doner, or whatever the case may be. To the Rocha family, please do us all a favor and contact the FBI. If you contact me I will give you the contact information for the agent who is interested in Brady issues involving our district attorney. The law abiding citizens of this county should not have to fear that they could be prosecuted because they fall on the wrong side of our sheriff’s and district attorney’s political aspirations. Lying and perjuring cops and prosecutors should not be tolerated . . . Ever.
I think when the exteremly stoic Dr. called me he was overcome. Sounded tearful. Had to get off the phone. He made me cry too. For a lot of reasons.
Our sheriffs need to let us know that they have learned something from this. That nothing should be about who you know and who knows you. Seriously, sheriff department what would you do differently.
Perhaps now it is time to look into other matters. Nancy Stern was spoiling for a fight. A truly frightened person would have never left the house that morning. Even a friend of their’s admitted this right on the blog. Perhaps the Stern’s will now leave the Rocha’s alone. And my children’s doctor can administer to them in peace in our community hospital. I will be watching.
Does your FBI contact care about County Counsel?
Does anyone know if the video was played in front of the Deputy, while he was on the stand testifying about someone running from him? If so, I bet his lying face told the jurors what time it was
Now that Andrew is not guilty, will the Rochas sue the Stern et. al for putting the wrong kid in jail????
WooooHooooo!!!!!!!! YES!!! YES!!! YES!!!
This has to be the best news I’ve heard in a very long time. That the jury came back so quickly validates everything that the Rocha family has said all along.
The Rocha’s are the only ones who have consistently told the truth in this matter. Their story NEVER changed. Everyone knew that it was Martin Jr. who was there and who had been attacked. That the jury was able to understand the vindictive nature of this prosecution is awesome.
I’d like to know how the the district attorney can possibly get anywhere by trying to go after Martin Jr. If they’re thinking that it will help them try to repair their shredded credibility, they might want to think again. Their OWN witnesses, David and Nancy Stern and the deputy, Ells have ALREADY sworn under oath that it was Javier. What now? They lied? Isn’t that perjury? Why yes, yes it is.
Too bad for San Bernardino county sheriffs. One has to wonder how many more instances of incompetent investigating they’ll be accused of spoon-feeding to the district attorney, since this is not the only example of a complete waste of taxpayer money.
I’m thankful to the jury, and I’m thankful for all of the obvious support from so many people who actually know Dr. Rocha and his family. I’m happy to know that so many people knew that this was a baseless prosecution and a horrendous persecution at the hands of two very vindictive people whose only motivation was to hurt this family.
Dr. Rocha is a good and decent man who does not deserve what the Sterns have done to him over the past several years.
Dr. Rocha has more integrity than most people I know and I should know, he’s my brother. The Sterns could take lessons from him when it comes to grace under pressure.
Naturally there will be detractors and others who will come back with some of their usually uninformed comments, but since reading their posts are equal to watching a turd swirling in the toilet, I’ll resist the temptation to read their spewage.
just called the hosp. Had to call there anyway. While I had a person on the phone I informed her of the jury’s decision this morning. She sounded happy to hear it and thanked my for telling her. Called the Mtn News, spoke to the editor to ask for an article right away. I tole her I hoped that the article would come as fast and as prejudice as the first one. I asked her way nothing was printed before this. She said cause “nothing was happening”. I guess she didn’t she it from our side. I asked to her have her reporter ask Nancy Stern why she left the house that morning to confront a big bad scary Rocha. Said it seemed intentional to me. Told her I would be looking forward to a detailed article. Wrote Rim.net too.
A wise FTO told me once that a shit bag is a shit bag and will always be a shit bag…… Don’t throw your career away by lying trying to catch this shit bag today because if he truly is a shit bag, he will do something stupid again that you will catch him tomorrow. If he isn’t a shit bag, then so be it. Point is those who deserve to get caught will. Either way, you do your job, which is the law way…… Your job is to be a fact finder and remain unbiased. If those facts help prove or disprove your case, so be it, you submit them anyway and you let the system do it’s job……… This deputy is a poor display of what a law enforcement official should be. It is abundantly clear, as is the George Zimmerman complaint if you read it, that his report was skewed towards one side. THAT MY FRIENDS IS UNETHICAL AND A DISGRACE. WE are entrusted to tell the truth, not interject our biased, which at times happens, we are human, but my goodness lies have no place in a report. Take all the facts we have gathered, present it in written form to the best of our ability, and let the DA make the decision to file or not. Then, if the DA files, the jury will do what they have to do…… Thankfully the system more often than not works, as it did in this case………
Like Sharon said, justice in this case is only partially served….. True and complete justice, which is NOT VENGEFUL, is holding those responsible for disregarding their oath to the public such as this deputy and the DA’s office, for their part in prosecuting this case. It appears to be a travesty of justice, and politically motivated. When they are held accountable, then justice is fully served.
Civilly I hope they have recourse because honestly, that is the only real way this type of behavior is corrected. The civil arena has it’s place. This is in my opinion one of those places. I don’t like vigilante justice, I don’t like citizens rising up against the government, but if the Civil arena, which is truly the only avenue left for citizens to get satisfaction, fails to protect citizens through monetary compensation, then what is left? I hope this has a swift and outreaching conclusion to better this family and any other potential family’s that could have been effected by this collaborate group of misfits and poor representatives of an American Justice system which is suppose to be blind of race, creed, religion, etc and shielded from political motivations.
AWESOME everyone, just AWESOME. Wish I was up at Lake Arrowhead when the party starts.!!!!!
Hey Joe Henry, like I said before, SHUT UP!!!!!
The truth DID prevail…YEA!! Yes it’s time to party, we could all park our cars in front of the Sterns and wave as we walk next door! And yes let’s hope once things settle down the Rocha family will think about restitution for what is truly deserved. I’d say both the Sterns and the County should ‘pay up!’ BIG time. Welcome home Andy ; -)
I have got the name of a good civil rights attorney out of Orange County who is handling the Kelly Thomas murder by two Fullerton cops from July 2011.
That lawyer is handling about 6 different civil rights lawsuits by Fullerton PD.
One of those cases involved the arrest of a citizen for assault on a police officer who was acquitted after a jury trial.
Would you believe that the video in that case DID NOT match the police report, TALK about Karma.
I will link the attorneys’s name when I find it. It might be worth the phone call.
DON’t PEE on the Stern’s grass during or after the party, the Po Po might be watching.
Drink a beer for me!!!!!!!!!
YOU aren’t doing to well Hoops for ELECTION time 2014. Maybe you can hire Dave Ellis to help you out again?
Just saying!!!!!!!!!
I would love to hear from the deputy and his boss about what they have learned from this case and what will be done to avoid this situation in the future.
A public apology would be the thing to do. It would go a long way in the here and now.
Antoinette and NLucas, apparently the Sterns have hired ARMED security guards to patrol in front of their home. Are they really that completely crazy?
Oh wait, I lost my mind temporarily. Of course they’re crazy. Look what they have done to this family.
Dr. Rocha is in his house. When he took out his dogs he was followed by the two ARMED men. He then called the police who were rude to him and said that they couldn’t do anything for him.
Javier is on his way home with his mother and sister to see this insanity?
Welcome to the David and Nancy Stern Lunatic Asylum.
Correction: Martin Jr. called the cops and they basically blew off his concerns for his father’s safety and hung up on him.
Dear God this is heart breaking. Money can buy anything I guess. Can they follow the doctor? If they are protecting the Stern’s shouldn’t they be remaining on the Stern’s property? Why are armed men walking around the community?
I wish I knew what to do. I wish I knew what to say to make this stop. Is this what David was talking about when he told me that the Rocha’s would be gone in a year? Try to find out the name of the security company. I have some contacts in that area. If it is a company I work with or know of maybe I can get some info about just how far a guard can go.
Rene please ask Dr. Rocha call me if he has a minute. He has my number.
Stupid isn’t a crime
The best way to get this to stop is to ignore them going on and on about it just keeps it going…… Let them waist their money on a dumb cause…… You will really piss them off by not allowing it to bother you……
Rene have Dr. Rocha call me asap. I have info he needs and can use
Antoinette, I will give him the message.
Blase’, their plan is to ignore these people. The Sterns are are desperately trying to look as though they are the victims here. I guess that they forgot that Nancy ran outside to confront and then attack Martin Jr. At this point they’re playing to an empty theater, except perhaps for their minions who line up to swallow their garbage.
I’m sure they’re hoping for an escalation. If David Stern is looking to preserve his reputation he might want to get new glasses, because the pair he’s wearing are unfocused.
Apparently because they’re weasels, the sheriff’s department have still not released Javier. His mother, brother and sister have been waiting since the verdict. They had some shaggy dog story about “paperwork.” I’m stunned at their arrogance and mean-spiritedness.
They’re acting like 6th grade schoolyard bullies.
Our next step is to go to the FBI and any other government agency we can think of to investigate these arrogant knuckleheads.
Congratulations and now, good luck to the Rocha family. I really wish people would quit blaming the “deputy” though. Asboth is partly to blame but I would say he is most likely a mere pawn. Considering Asboth’s wife was a secretary at North during the POST scandal and was disciplined and transferred, one has to wonder. Oh, did I mention she was just recently promoted? So was Asboth told to play along on this one? The hint of impropriety is certainly there. But where would that order have come from? Enter Lt., now Captain Ells. A complete buffoon if you ask me but heck, leave me out of it. Ask his troops at Twin Peaks. If you are looking for a good civil case, look into Ells and his involvement. A little digging and I am told he has shoved his nose into many cases such as this one where someone political was involved and deputies were ordered to “handle it.” I would suggest a starting point at Ass. Sheriff Cochran’s iPad. Then speak to some of the transferees. I will bet a paycheck this isn’t the first innocent person Ells had a case manufactured on. Deputies may be willing to shut up but probably are not willing to risk losing their job or worse, jail time to cover for Ells.
The FBI is a waist of time, I am sorry to say….. A dam good attorney who makes his living off of suing law enforcement, I can’t believe I am saying this, is the best way to go……. I am going to throw up now…… All seriousness aside, the Sheriffs department is not the department I use to know and work for anymore…… Hoops and his followers are no better than those I arrest…. The mightier than thou thug mentality….. They are not officials I respect nor admire….. Hit them where it hurts, their budget!!!!
The four most important lines from the 4/16/2012 Minute Order of the San Bernardino County Trial of 18 year old Andrew Javier Rocha of Lake Arrowhead, held in jail for over 70 days on false accusations of 79 year old Nancy Stern and her politically connected husband, David Stern:
DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY KRISTEN CAIN PRESENT
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11:05 COURT GIVES LAPTOP AND EXHIBIT 45A [video] TO JURY TO REVIEW.
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11:33 JURY NOTIFIES COURT THEY HAVE REACHED A VERDICT.
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DEFENDANT RELEASED.
Andrew was not released!
Despite the fact Andrew Rocha was found innocent around noon today, the County of San Bernardino forced him back to jail—the minute order is an outright lie by the fraudulent court, and I do not care whether or not this is standard procedure across the State, it is still yet another example of a fraudulent California court system, and a fraudulent and corrupt San Bernardino County.
San Bernardino Courthouses are the modern day equivalent of the gas chambers—everyone see the smoke but few know what happens inside, and most who do know are not talking.
Fortunately, when they do want to talk, they can do so at iepolitics.com and a few other small press dedicated to not only Free Speech but what is right.
Sounds like they are going to release him at 11:59 pm just because they can.
For the Rocha Family. You all might give this man a call. Seems he is quite business down in Fullerton, Ca these days.
http://www.garolaw.com/
When the DA called me she told me that if Andrew was acquited he could walk right out of the courtroom a free person. Wow. Interesting when the case was first started the sheriff had the power and injustice was the name of the game, when the DA had the power injustice was the name of the game, when the case was turned over to 12 impartial people justice was served, when the power to release Andrew was placed back in the hands of the Sheriff now we have a power problem again.
Then the Stern’s create further drama by hiring armed guards. Well the guards and David made a mistake and were found by Dr. Rocha just steps from his property. These guards cannot leave the Stern property. They can patrol the edge of the Stern property but they must be on the property. The Sheriff must respond to calls made by fearful neighbors regarding these armed men.
All neighbors and their visitors have the right to know the name of the security company, the name of the guards, and the name and contact information for their supervisor. They cannot prevent anyone from accessing the property of any of the other neighbors.
The Stern’s were worried about the Rocha’s???? Interesting that now THE STERN’S have made the neighborhood an armed camp. The Stern’s think the Rocha’s lowered property values when they moved in next door???? What about property values when the realtors have to disclose that armed people roam the neighborhood all the time. Good luck on selling anything then.
AntiCorruptionUnit, that’s their whole reason for living isn’t it? Anyway, he was released at about 9:30 as was met by a slew of reporters asking questions about this completely malicious prosecution.
Thanks for the update Rene. NOW the tables may be turned in the other direction.
If you have been reading the other stories on the blog, you will see things are not going to well with SBSD right now in several different ways.
May I suggest two things. Have the Rocha’s contact the lawyer I provided in the above link.
Second hopefully you and many of your friends will vote for Paul Schrader for Sheriff in 2014.
Hi Fritz…Just a FYI…Nancy Stern is 69…I know because we are the same age ; -) We are some who have/had been friends of theirs for years. We drank their koolaid for years but now our eyes are open wide. Looking forward to meeting Andrew in person ; -)
This whole thing keeps me awake at night. While I was awake it came to me……of course the Stern’s have to keep this thing going, it has been their full time job for more than 7 years. Now it appears they might be out of a job. Forceably retired against their will. If they aren’t victims of a ruthless Mexican crime family then who are they now? Perhaps the Stern’s will get another life. A kinder, compassionate, productive life. A life focused on true community service. Stern’s have the courage to walk next door and tell the Rocha family you are sorry. Shake the hand of the fine Dr. Rocha get to know his family for real. Let this go now. You won’t regret truly knowing these fine people.
If our elected officials would’ve been honoring their Oath of Office and ensuring the protection of individual rights this would’ve never happened.
We need proactive leadership that will restore faith, hope, and the belief that there is a better future for our families and our children to their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
http://www.SheriffPaul.ca
Anonymous,
In your last post, probably unbeknownst to you, you have acknowledged what I’ve been writing about for a long time on this blog: SBSO is a grossly inferior law enforcement agency. If deputies couldn’t figure out they were kidnapping an innocent man, that’s if SBSO did in fact kidnap (arrest) an innocent man, how in God’s name could anyone have confidence in a gang of derelicts cloaked in tan & green?
Until SBSO commences to purging its numerous derelicts, and that would include you, anonymous, it will remain the agency of last resort for morons who’d otherwise would never wear a badge of honor and trust.
VV Cheeseman willingly becomes an accessory to a serial child abuser and lied in her report thereby becoming a direct cause of an innocent five-year-old child’s continued victimization. Cheeseman couldn’t distinguish a felonious child abuser from her ass (they look alike) In this Rocha’s case, deputies kidnapped an innocent man, assuming, of course, he’s innocent.
In Cheeseman’s defense, she is stupid, a condition that cannot be fixed. She didn’t know statements are evidence of criminal activity thereby supportive of PC to arrest a serial child abuser. But stupidity is not a defense to criminality. Hence, Cheeseman’s becoming an accessory to felonies makes her a dirt bag, child abusin’ felon! Now ain’t that right, VV Cheeseman???
Adios,
R
Adios,
R
Blase’
It took you how long to recognize that you work for a grossly inferior law enforcement agency?
“All seriousness aside, the Sheriffs department is not the department I use to know and work for anymore.”
I got news for you, Bobo. SBSO was ALWAYS a second-rate law enforcement agency.
I know you’re not MENSA material, yet had you not revealed your stupidity long ago and comprehended what I had written, you might be able to fool others that you have something other going on, like competence.
Now that you’ve admitted you work for a glorified security guard company, what are you going to do? Waste the rest of your life remaining a second-rate, disgruntled lackey? Or are you going to quit and find a real job? Don’t hold your breath waiting for a real law enforcement agency to hire you. If you don’t know CPC 20, you’re now at the pinnacle of your career.
Hasta Luego, Bobo,
R
sgt,
You really are a dumb shit. How dare you cover for anyone who violated the Peace Officer Code of Ethics.
Evidently only within SBSO is one obligated to obey an illegal order. How many have you issued, sgt???
sgt, quit & find a job suitable to your skills, like stocking Depends at target. You do seem to accept piss poor work performance.
Adios, Derelict,
R
Paul are you that guy? Are you the guy that can finally get this thing whole again? Are you the guy that can give the public it’s peace of mind and the deputies their moral dignity? How would this situation been handled differently if you had been Sheriff?
Somehow in my last couple of posts I became anonymus. it’s still me Antoinette
R
wow you seem a little tense. I am not a Sheriff deputy. nor do I agree that the deputies are derilicts. Never said that. Because I forgot to put my name on my last two posts it named me anonymous. My name is Antoinette
Antoinette Gray
He is just a burn out with no life. He is bitter and thinks by calling us names, etc etc he can somehow make his miserable existence a bit more bearable…. He is a lot like the Sterns in comparison. He is a master manipulator who’s family abandoned him…… He is such a vindictive parasite, worse than Mills, the courts 86′d him. He’s been placed in a book by the courts that only .5% of the population are privileged to be in, not in a good way either.. He hijacks threads to push his venomous disdain to being ignored by so many, including his family. I feel sorry for the guy. Don’t allow him to taint this thread….. He’s never part of the solution, just more of the same.
ACU,
If my calculations are correct, this makes 3 cases that the the DA has lost at the encouragement of the Sheriffs Department to file bogus cases against individuals….. 2 deputies, one civilian…… Of course these are the ones people are talking about, there is likely more. When do you think the DA will be tired of looking like the fool?
Antoinette,
A bad assumption. I am not tense. I have been exposed to gross dereliction of duty that permeates SBSO. If this case was not a gross dereliction of duty, what was it? Add to that the fact the sgt has defended a deputy’s dereliction of duty and you have a joke of a law enforcement agency. Now it seems that even those like Blase’, who has once expended considerable effort concealing the fact that he works for a joke agency, is now ready to admit it. But then again, w/o SBSO, nearly all employed by it would not be in law enforcement.
Antoinette, if you were employed by SBSO and, if you subscribed to professional practice of law enforcement and, if you were marketable to true professional law enforcement agencies, would you remain employed by a joke that has arrested an innocent kid?
Antoinette, kidnapping an innocent kid and coloring it an arrest is totalitarian.
Adios Amiga,
R
Blase’,
Or maybe I have you wired. Prove to me you’re all that and get hired by another SB county law enforcement agency…even SB city schools police.
You’re Peter Principled among sagebrush and sandstorms.
Adios Bobo,
R
Anonymous on April 17, 2012 at 8:09 AM said:
Paul are you that guy? Are you the guy that can finally get this thing whole again? Are you the guy that can give the public it’s peace of mind and the deputies their moral dignity? How would this situation been handled differently if you had been Sheriff?
Yes I am that guy. First and foremost there would be no politics in any arrest. You should have had an open door like any citizen to the Sheriff and he should have looked at the video with you.
If I would have been sheriff this arrest would’ve never been made due to the absence of politics.
I think the job of the Sheriff is to protect the rights of the people in his county. That’s just what I will do. If you would’ve brought this video to me as sheriff, I would’ve went to the DA, showed it to him, and released Mr. Rocha and had the charges dropped.
SBSD has a lot of deputies doing the right thing. When you have a sheriff that steps up and takes politics out of, promotions, movement, policy, criminal prosecution and arrest, it will change even those deputies on the fence. When they see a Constitutional Sheriff that is a “Guardians of Liberty! and Protector of Rights!” with morals, that will help set the tone for SBSD.
I am so sorry that this happened to the Rocha Family.
Blase, no question about your analogy on more victims of SBSD and the DA’s office citizens and cops alike. The question is, HOW many more are out there we don’t and won’t know about?
The Rocha family has WON round 1 of this fight. EVERYONE needs to go to phase 2, find a decent civil rights attorney to take this case to where it needs to go.
Those expecting the deputy or anyone else in public service to explain their actions, or apologize, WAKE up, it isn’t going to happen around here.
To echo what Paul Schrader said. YOU DO NOT need a Master degree to figure out most of what has been going on around here internally and externally.
Pretty basic common sense, but many of us know that too is lacking with our beloved leaders.
R,
For the 5th time moron, this is not my first agency….. Like Fassari, I worked for La County agency’s, plural. SBCO was, and with new leadership, can be a top agency again. This case has caused a lot more citizens to wake up and realize it’s not the little people, ie the boots on the pavement, pushing this agenda, it’s those up top. I can only hope that this will keep them motivated enough to vote Hoops out, and any other individual associated with this agency. The top brass are so corrupted we have no choice but to go outside. I would be more than willing to deal with the headaches than come with that. If anyone thinks hiring outside is all roses they are sadly mistaken. However, it is time for a restart.
R, find a hobby
Paul,
I was the person who asked if you are that guy. So…if I was a Rocha parent and I had this tape are you saying that I would be able to call your office and get an appointment the same day to show you the tape?
If this is the case, then you are the guy. Please let me know how I can help you at election time.
Antoinette Gray on April 17, 2012 at 1:38 PM said:
Paul,
I was the person who asked if you are that guy. So…if I was a Rocha parent and I had this tape are you saying that I would be able to call your office and get an appointment the same day to show you the tape?
If this is the case, then you are the guy. Please let me know how I can help you at election time.
Yes the Rocha family could have called and I would’ve looked at that tape the same day. I have talked to a few lawyers about this case and we are all wondering, why?
Yes you can help, just email me at sheriffpaul@charter.net I can use your help. Just like I did in the last election my cell phone (#909-732-6964) is always with me and I always give my number out. I will carry this phone when elected. I hope that is an open door to anyone in this county. I am also able if the Rocha family would like to talk with me.
I’m still so happy that Andy was found “not guilty” that I’ll probably be dancing for days. He is a bit thinner than he was the last time I saw him, but he’s still the same tolerant and uncomplaining young man with more integrity in his pinkie that a hundred David and Nancy Sterns.
Andy knew he had done nothing wrong, so he was confident of the outcome. This determination also helped him in his constant refusal to sign the plea bargain that the district attorney was hot to have him sign.
When the jury came out, one of the jurors responded to a request for an interview and said that they all were unanimous in their belief that the young man in the video was Martin Jr. They were also unanimous in their agreement that the main thing that the video proved to them was that Nancy Stern definitely attacked Martin Jr.
Once online I went to see what the biased ROTWNews had to say about the jury’s verdict. Naturally they called Andy an “assault suspect” didn’t mention that Nancy Stern instigated the incident by attacking his brother, and implied that the jury deliberated for two hours. What really happened is that the jury got the video at 11:03 and as a result, had their verdict by 11:33, 28 minutes later.
I’m wondering if the Sterns still have their armed guards patrolling the grounds. All of this looks completely stupid to me, when for the past several years they have been the vile and vindictive aggressors. These are NOT nice people. Dr. Rocha is not the Lone Ranger here, the Sterns have done this before to other doctors.
I’d not be surprised if Nancy slapped herself silly to appear injured when she went to the hospital claiming she had been assaulted and hinted that she had a heart attack.
So much is going to come out into the light regarding the obvious collusion to misidentify Andy between the Sterns, Deputies Gus Asboth, Rick Ells, and possibly the DA who chose to swallow their lies and the resulting conspiracy to promote their lies.
Too bad for them and their future, which will be filled with having to account for their vile behavior and good for my brother Dr. Rocha, and his family, in particular, my nephew Andy.
Anyway, I sincerely hope that Paul Schrader is the right man for the job of San Bernardino County Sheriff since word has it that the current sheriff, Rod Hoops has evidently fouled up the department.
Ray-fooly said, “Add to that the fact the sgt has defended a deputy’s dereliction of duty and you have a joke of a law enforcement agency.”
Once again, I am baffled as to who I defended. I have had this conversation with you and you admitted you were wrong, then apoligized. Once again, I am accused of defending someone. I would love to hear the explanation on this one.
Good grief, Shrader, STFU. You’e a career DEPUTY, who (in how many years) hasn’t managed to get a SINGLE promotion, yet you think you’re an expert on how to run the largest territory in the Country? You, sir, are a joke. Please go away.
I don’t know Schrader, but I do know plenty of LEADERS who never promoted. They had no desire to promote and never bothered taking a promotion test. They enjoyed working the streets and felt it was clearly the most satisfying part of their career, directly helping people. Oddly enough, they were always the go to people, by ALL RANKS.
So just because someone CHOSE not to promote hardly makes them a joke… Just sayin’…
Hopefully Anonymous, if not content with supporting Schrader, has someone other than the misfits we have now in mind to support….. I’d love to have options……. Or maybe he’s just another “R”, has nothing to add, just a hit and run……. Probably a Status Quo kinda person…..
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it……… Well SBSO is broke and needs a real fixing!!!!!!!
Anonymous, please spell Mr. Schrader’s name right you fool. You popup every time Mr. Schrader is asked to answer a question. Are you drunk? So if someone has not been promoted they should not run for sheriff? I think Schrader can run SBSD and do a great job. At no time did he state he was an expert. Mr. Hoops has been promoted several times, has SBSD going down the toilet and cannot run the department except into the ground. Promotion has nothing to do with someone running for any office or LEADERSHIP. I have friends that are the worker bees and could do the bosses job. The more you come and attack Mr. Schrader, the more people see what little fools follow hoops. If you can make a case against Mr. Schrader besides, “he’s just a deputy” which the statement in itself is a slap in the face to most of SBSD, let’s hear it.
Schrader over Hoops anytime.
I’d like to add that Anonymous has failed to see that SOME of those who have promoted up through the ranks of SBSD are CROOKS. They have degrees too.
So I’d like to say, AND!!!! Maybe if Anonymous could put his name behind the STFU he might add credibility to his statement??
And until WE know for sure how many supervisors got a PASS in the POST scandal, we can ASSUME all we want, it’s the top leadership who are dishonest.
NEXT troll step up!!!
ACU I think Anonymous Good grief has failed and needs to STFU. I have a Masters Degree and have some supervisors with no degree. They all do the same job and if I did’nt ask, I would’nt have known who has the degrees and who did’nt. Now that’s the joke.
Adios
Congratulations to my buddy Attorney Christopher Persuad for an excellent job at trial, winning the freedom of a completely innocent man. Kudos to you Chris! Oh, and by the way, I hear that David Stern is suspected of embezzling somewhere in the neighborhood of 17 Million dollars from the Mountain Communities Hospital where he is employed in an upper management position. Looks like it won’t be long before David Stern is the one in state prison getting forcibly sodomized every day of his miserable life. God has a unique way of working everything out for the best.
I do not know who is the “buddy” of Christopher Persuad. I very much doubt Mr. Persuad would consider the feeling as mutual.
However, any God that “works things out” by prison brutal anal rape is Satan, and anyone confusing anal rape with Justice is severely disordered with a dangerous sado-sexual personality configuration.
The Rocha family and Mr. Persuad have provided an exemplar of grace and nobility in their response to this very uncivil assault by the State. Vulgarities and psycho-pathologies of sycophant observers have no place near them.
Is Chris from the Public Defenders Office or private practice?
What on, good point on the degree thing. We will see more of this as we get closer to 2014. The crooks who support Hoops will come out with what they can about Schrader, it won’t be much, but they will try.
It will be those who are scared and might be forced into retirement, or are in group 1 for promotion. Most will have a self-serving agenda they don’t want disturbed.
All will hide behind the keyboard when throwing their darts. They will be invited to call and talk face to face with Paul, most never will. They will continue to call him a clown much like Sgt. Charbie and a couple others did through out the campaign.
All one will need to do is say “show me” what Hoops has done in his tenure and it won’t come down to much other than he is “cool”. All his supporters will ignore the obvious that has occurred in the last several years.
Hoops will do a few gangs sweeps or special operations. With the support of the corrupt Sun newspaper, Hoops will be painted like some war hero who has conquered crime all by himself, because of his education and experience.
Did I miss anything?
ACU I like your point about Hoops painted like some war hero by the corrupt Sun newspaper and the PE too. Hoops is a joke and is a self-serving person.
Adios
HI I AM MARTIN ROCHA.
First,
I would like to thank everyone for their comments and attention to my brother’s case. Please do not lose interest because according to the mountain news who continues to make allegations that Nancy was “struck to the ground” is now also claiming that the DA, Kristen Kane may file charges against me. I hope she does because it will help my brother in his civil suit. Plus, I would love to get the opportunity to put her on the stand. Perhaps I can defend myself and cross examine her. Perhaps I can put Nancy and David on the stand and cross examine them… I would hate the state to invest so much time and money because I know they don’t have money to prosecute other cases. I think it would be really stupid, but I must not under estimate their level of stupidity.
I have heard allegations of David Stern’s embezzlement and misappropriation of money belonging to the community of Lake Arrowhead, specifically the community hospital. I don’t know if Mr. Stern will face charges. I don’t know what the future holds.
I would also like to congratulate Christopher Persaud for his win. I wish him the best of luck.
http://www.mountain-news.com/news/crime_log/article_ab1bd96c-8a35-11e1-80f0-001a4bcf887a.html
Hoops won’t run again, he will ‘pass the torch’ a short time before the election and the anointed one will ask for ‘a chance to make some changes’. He/she will be elected and everyone will be excited about the coming changes, while all things remain the same.
Still going Even now that Andrew is out of harms way????? The video is clear that it was Nancy Stern who left the safety of her home, then left the safety of her property to step to the middle of the street to attach Mr. Rocha.
DA SPEND OUR MONEY ON BRINGING RICKY FOLWER TO JUSTICE IN THE DEATHS FROM THE OLD FIRE.
Check out the story link to the Mtn News…they should be ashamed! It’s obvious they wrote the story, if you can call it that, without ever watching the video. You can leave a comment there too
I sometimes wonder if Mark Averbeck was put up to deflect votes from Schrader by the insiders….
Mark Averbeck might have been a pawn. I hear Hoops won’t run again. He wants out and will pass the torch’. I thought he would try to get re-elected and then pass it to a friend on SBSD. Whatever he does is bad for SBSD. He should just bow out.
THMN should be ashamed to call itself a newpaper. Good thing there is a link because I will never buy another paper from them. Disgusting!!!!!!!
Hey Kane, you played the game ANYWAYS with what you knew ahead of time about Martin and Javier, YOU lost big time.
NOW your thinking at a second run at this? BRILLIANT!!!
Are you related to Cynthia O’Neal or Ruth Stringer?
Why are they, Mtn News, so afraid to tell the truth!
Anonymous,,,
I just was fortunate to talk to Andrews mom. She is upset by the David Stern prison comment.
The Rocha’s are not vindictive people. They don’t wish harm on anyone even the Stern’s. All they ever wanted was their son to be cleared and home. I too would not be happy to know David Stern was in prison. I think the thing TMN got really wrong in their article was stating that these neighbors hate each other. As far as I can tell the Rocha’s are not that kind of people at all. They just want to be left alone. I agree with Mrs. Rocha. Let peace be restored to the neighborhood and lets be clear that they only haters in the neighborhood are the Stern’s who by the way still have armed guards in the neighborhood day and night. If they would only get to know the Rocha’s they could relieve themselves of a lot of stress and worry and save a lot of money. The Rocha’a are done with this horrible event and are moving on.
Evidently The Mountain News AKA The Stern Newsletter has published a story loaded with inaccuracies. Javier was found “not guilty” three days ago, yet their story wasn’t published until today. Golly, I wonder why? Did they wait for the Stern version? The only possible explanation for the inaccuracies is that they were spoon fed the story and then washed it down with Stern Kool-Aid.
This type of bias and misinformation does not surprise me, since on February 14th I wrote to Glen Barr, Jayson Burke, Mike Harris, Editor Mary-Justine Lanyon, and
Publisher Harry Bradley asking what the heck is going on in Lake Arrowhead.
I had asked them why certain people get a pass to act with impunity just because someone somewhere thinks they’re a “big deal.” I asked them why these entitled few are allowed to simply fabricate in order to bring down innocent people. I also said that hiding behind, “Oh I was attacked” when the so-called victim was the aggressor, is beyond the pale.
I never got a response from anyone.
Anyway, here are some truths:
The Mountain news reports that the jury deliberated for two and a half hours.
Truth: The jury was given a computer that did not work. They were forced to wait for two hours until a technician arrived so that they could view the video. Less than twenty-five minutes later they were in unanimous agreement that the video showed Martin Jr. and that Nancy Stern had ATTACKED him.
They quote Rick Ells who says that the two families hate each other.
Truth: Not only is it NOT in his nature to hate anyone, but Dr. Rocha too busy with his practice and his own life to bother with the vengeful behavior that the Stern bullies occupy themselves with.
The story did not include anything from the Rocha family after the verdict. Why?
The story however does include what can only be called a threat by Kristen Cain that Martin Jr. could still be charged. With what? Are they going to pull charges out of the air? Ms. Cain, the only crime committed that morning was committed by Nancy Stern. How can you not get that? Is it deliberate obtuseness?
Oh yes, I also want to comment on the post by Anonymous at 6:56 pm yesterday. I also want to congratulate Chris Persaud, he did a wonderful job presenting the truth to the jury.
However, what I found disturbing about the rest of the commentary was the obvious joy the writer took at the possibility of David Stern being attacked in prison.
Wishing evil on someone is not ever a good thing. The truth will always prevail, and the consequences for our deeds will always arrive. That right there is good enough for me. I will not wish them tragedy, nor ill will.
All I want is what Dr. Rocha wants for his family: For them to be left alone.
To illustrate and completely prove that The Mountain News is nothing more than the Stern Newsletter as well as The Stern Propaganda Machine, they removed not only my sister’s comment, but the another that called them out for their bias and they have not yet published mine, which reads:
I have but a few comments to make about Mr. Barr’s story.
The jury did NOT deliberate for a day and a half. They came back to court on Monday, April 16. They were forced to wait for two hours until a computer tech arrived to fix the computer they were given to watch the video. When they were finally able to view the video of the incident, they were in unanimous agreement on two important points: Martin Jr. was in the video, and Nancy Stern was the one who did the attacking.
The obvious slant of your story leads an uninformed reader to leap to the conclusion that the Sterns are victims, when they in fact have been victimizing the Rocha family for years.
By his own admission to more than one person, David Stern KNEW that Martin was the one who was attacked, but he didn’t care, as long as the result was to hurt Dr. Rocha.
Nancy Stern might want to float the illusion that she is the victim, but anyone who has seen the video will conclude otherwise.
As for bringing charges against Martin Jr. I wonder what it would be since the Sterns and the deputy have already testified that it was Andrew.
Watch the video, the only crime committed was committed by Nancy Stern. David Stern then assisted her in blaming the wrong Rocha.
For the DA to make a big deal out of the photos not going to the sheriff, makes no sense when he in fact took them to the DA’s office. Why would he go to the sheriff’s station when they had already decided that he wasn’t being truthful?
As for Rick Ells, who also testified claimed that, “the two families hate each other” he clearly doesn’t know what has been done to the Rocha family. The hatred is coming from the Sterns. All the Rocha family has ever wanted was to be left alone. Unfortunately the Sterns cannot seem to find a way to do that.
Shame on you for not getting at the truth.
If anyone here has seen “Mr. Smith Goes To Washington” and can remember the powerful Jim Taylor smear campaign against Jefferson Smith, then you know what is going on in Lake Arrowhead. It’s crystal clear that The Mountain News is not beholden to the truth, but to others.
Truly, truly pathetic.
The Stern newsletter aka “The Mountain News” (TMN) has removed the comment I left and the comments NLucas left earlier today.
Both of us basically scolded the newsletter and pointed out their bias and slant toward the Sterns without examining both sides of the incident.
NLucas basically read the newsletter the riot act regarding a lack of journalistic integrity, in essence allowing themselves to shill for the Sterns. It was a strong statement expressing disgust and disdain for the bias not to mention the veiled threats to Martin and possible future prosecution.
I wrote I was disgusted as well and offered a tip to Kristen Cain that her bitterness is misdirected at the Rocha’s. I said she should be mad at her boss for allowing her to take a dog of a case to trial in that it was built on a house of cards.
Instead of threatening Martin which is so unprofessional (I am completely astounded she would do this) she should be yelling at her boss and the officer who did such a sloppy investigation!
Now the DA’s office looks like buffoons.
I guess the only site that offer journalistic ethics is this one, so far the owner of this blog is not afraid of the Sterns.
Sadly The Mountain news is, the Sterns probably saw the story on the internet, blanched at the commentary called the newspaper and demanded the comments be removed.
Well, it came to pass the comments were removed.
Note to the good guys, don’t discuss strategy and possible events planned for the future, without a doubt the Sterns are reading this blog as well.
Let them sit in their self imposed exile surrounded by armed guards, what a pathetic existence.
Check out the article in the Alpenhorn News. It will probably upset you more than the TMN article. This article actually states…”the victim neighbor”. Disgusting and rediculous!
Antoinette,
Thanks for the heads up on this. I just submitted a response. Given that the Mountain News refuses to publish the truth of the matter, Alpenhorn News might not either.
Therefore, I’m posting it here. I wrote:
Mr. Wyatt,
It might behoove you to familiarize yourself with the facts of the case. The 69 year old neighbor who claimed assault, was the one who did the assaulting. There was absolutely NO theft of property. The older brother who contacted the sheriff’s station to report that he had been the one assaulted was ignored except to be told that he was probably trying to cover for his brother.
Take a good look at the surveillance video, the jury did. Once they saw it they unanimously agreed that the neighbor assaulted the older brother and that the 18 year old was no where to be found.
I have no idea where you got you information, but it in no way reflects the facts of the case. When you play fast and loose with the truth and publish things that were not said and did not happen, it reflects poorly on your publication.
Better luck next time.
For everyone who has known the truth about this from the beginning and would enjoy reading something that does not spring from the fantasy that the Sterns want everyone to swallow, please pick up a copy of the San Bernardino County Sentinel.
The article includes details that will give the reader a bit of insight as to when Dr. Rocha’s neighbors morphed into weasels. It appears that David Stern, who has passed himself off as a person of “good character,” is nothing more than a vindictive and small-minded person.
Therefore I offer a bit of advice to the Sterns.
David, for lessons on good character and integrity, go next door and talk to Dr. Rocha. Take a notebook, since you have much to learn, grasshopper.
Nancy, try not to be such a cuckoo bird, it’s bad for your complexion.
As for the local hospital, I have a question. Is this really the type of individual you want on your board of directors? Seriously?
Then of course to The Mountain News, The Alpenhorn News and the ROTWNews, this is what good reporting looks like when it details facts instead of fantasy. Everything they wrote here is a fact. Take a lesson.
Rene where can I get a copy of this paper? I really did think the Alpenhorn would be professional and neutral but I was wrong. Looks like we will all have to get our news from dth.
I got a copy from my brother as an email attachment. I’d send it to you but I don’t want you to post your email publicly unless you want to.
Sharon, would you post The Sentinel article please? Pretty please??
Mark G. you still got it… The Sentinel Rocks San Bernardino County!
Does DA Mikey (and Sheriff Hoopster) like Life (not cereal) now?
LSW, I would if I could but Mark doesn’t send me articles any longer.
Well here’s the only one I was sent; Mark, please send Sharon the Rocha article too, if u can:
SBCSentinel Web. 20 April 2012: (p.1-8)
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The San Bernardino County
Sentinel
Friday, April 20, 2012 A Fortunado Publication in conjunction with Countywide News Service 10808 Foothill Blvd. Suite 160-446 Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730
Sound Levels Force Drag Shutdown
Sound levels that ex¬ceeded the state’s indus¬trial limit and a flawed environmental impact report combined with the operators’ failure to comply with conditional use standards led to the court order closing down the drag racing strip at Auto Club Speedway in Fontana, an examination of court and county land use division documents shows.
Starting in 2006, what were at first unsanc¬tioned drag races were initiated in the parking lot of the raceway, which opened in 1997 and hosts a variety of racing events, including NAS¬CAR sanctioned races. The drag races resulted in sound levels reach¬ing and exceeding 100 decibels as measured on nearby residential prop¬erties.
Complaints to county authorities about the un¬sanctioned drag races did not result in their ces¬sation, however. Rather, county officials were persuaded that some off-road venue was needed for drag racing activity so as to limit illegal rac¬ing on public streets. In 2007, the county began granting permits to the organizers of the events under the aegis of the Pacific Street Car Asso¬ciation.
Unable to convince county officials to disal¬low the races, which be¬cause of the intensity of speed and acceleration of the competing vehicles were a third again loud¬er than the race track engines, nearby resi¬dents hired the law firm of Chatten-Brown and Carstens to represent them in further nego¬tiations or legal actions pertaining to the drag strip.
Initial restrictions placed on the speedway’s operators prohibited sound ema¬nations of more than 75 decibels reaching the near-lying residential neighborhoods east and north of the racetrack. The drag strip’s sound levels routinely exceed¬ed the standards, but no enforcement action against the facility or its management was taken by the county.
Opponents sued and achieved a ruling in 2009 that an environ¬mental impact report be completed before any permanent permit for a drag strip could be granted. In response, the county approved a supplemental environ¬mental impact report in November 2010. Drag strip opponents cried foul, asserting that the drag strip’s proponents had misled the county over the intensity of the impact on the neighbor¬ing properties.
“In September 2010, just as the environmen¬tal impact study was be¬ing conducted and was reaching a crucial phase, the speedway’s manage¬ment temporarily relo¬cated the Pacific Street Car Association events to Las Vegas,” said Sal Lopez, who since 1991 has lived with his family in a home in a residen¬tial area adjacent to the drag strip. “That reloca¬tion took place just days before a hearing of the planning commission at which the environmental impact study was to be considered for recom¬mendation to the board of supervisors. The at¬torney for the speedway recommended relocating that event because they did not want to raise any red flags, and those were their specific words. A few days after the event was moved to Vegas, we had the hearing and the planning commission voted to recommend to the board of supervi¬sors that they certify the environmental impact study.
During that hear¬ing, planning commis¬sioner Michael Cramer stated they would not acknowledge documents challenging the legal¬ity of the environmental impact report attorneys from Chatten-Brown and Carstens were pre¬senting and said they would not take that into consideration during the public meeting. Mr. Cramer was appointed by Paul Biane, who at that time was the Sec¬ond District supervisor, and who had accepted free tickets and luxury box accommodations at the speedway. Paul Biane received $38,000 from the speedway for his election campaign and all of the supervisors received money from the speedway either shortly before or after the envi¬ronmental impact study received certification. On November 2, 2010 the supervisors certi¬fied the environmental impact study and on No¬vember 5, 2010, the Auto Club Speedway con¬tinued with the Pacific Street Car World Finals events.”
In certifying the sup¬plemental environmental impact report and giv¬ing go-ahead for further drag races, the county gave permission for the speedway to hold louder events, raising the noise standards from 75 to 85 decibels to as high as 100 decibels for some events while requiring the con¬struction of a quarter-mile, 20-foot-high sound wall.
While the sound wall was never completed, the races went on, with races taking place three weekends a month.
What was already for some nearby residents an excessive sound level zoomed to an intoler¬able cacophony. Ac¬cording to the readings of some noise monitors, the sound reached an in¬tensity greater than 120 decibels as measured on nearby residential prop¬erties.
Nearby residents led by Lopez, meanwhile, formed a group that fo¬cused upon the impact they believed the sound was having on stu¬dents at nearby schools. That group called itself CCoMPRES, an ac¬ronym for Concerned Community Members of Parents of Redwood El¬ementary School. Chat¬ten-Brown and Carstens did not desist in its ef¬forts to have the county seriously consider the plight of those in the area. The law firm con¬tinued to challenge the adequacy of the supple¬mental environmental impact report and in court filings, emphasized that the sound wall had not been completed, that the decibel level of 100, which exceeds the state of California’s industrial sound limit, was being routinely surpassed.
On February 23, Judge Barry Plotkin made a finding that the environmental impact report for the drag strip was fatally flawed and he ordered the county’s ap¬proval of the drag strip be set aside and that the races be suspended at least until an adequate environmental impact report is completed and the sound wall, which was stipulated as a con¬dition of the November 2010 approval, be put in place.
Drag racing enthusi¬asts, functioning under the aegis of an impromp¬tu organization known as Save Auto Club Drag¬way, are encouraging the county to lead the way in an effort to reopen the strip. While two dozen of the drag race aficio¬nados importuned the board to appeal Plotkin’s ruling by the April 23 deadline, county offi¬cials have put the ball in the court of the raceway and its patrons to either make that appeal them¬selves or in the alterna¬tive foot the bill for a new environmental im¬pact report and complete the construction of the required sound wall.
The current supervi¬sor in the Second Dis¬trict, where the speed¬way is located, is Janice Rutherford. Rutherford defeated former supervi¬sor Paul Biane in 2010. Among the charges lev¬eled at Biane during that campaign was that he had accepted free tick¬ets and luxury box ac¬commodations from the racetrack’s owners and sponsors. The wide¬spread perception was that Biane had arranged for lax enforcement of regulations at the speed¬way. That perception, and the suggestion that Biane ended up paying a political price for his participation in petty graft at and through the raceway to the detriment of his constituents who lived in the shadow of the facility, may now be preventing Rutherford from supporting the re¬opening of the drag strip.
Well well well it appears that the San Bernardino County Sentinal is the only newspaper that got it right. Finally we read the truth as it happened and learn from a juror what happened during their 20 minutes of dilberations. Well sone SBCS! By the way, I will become a subscriber!
If anyone thinks that one of the “mountain news sources” will get something straight, is smoking something that likely falls under the H&S codes of the state.
The “Mountain News” is the voice of the realtors. They can report on a 8.1 earthquake aftermath as “Mountain Redevelopment Gets Needed Boost”
The Alpenhorn goes the other direction. It’s like the “Enquirer” or “World News” of the mountain. They do stories such as the social worker that was killed by the 16 year old that she was helping, and identifying the kid as her lover. How many articles “quote” someone “that requested to remain anonymous” – because I have lost count. Another favorite of the paper are the stories of water and sewer companies engaged in malfeasance or health risks that are somehow never, ever fined, cited or cautioned by any county, state or federal agency. And of course the usual article of local drunks and drug abusers. You will never see a retraction, or even a un-edited letter to the editor in that paper disputing an article. And a NUMBER of us know that the recent problems with the Gun Store that the Alpenhorn’s owner operated, and was forced to close, had little to do with county politics as Dennis claimed, and more to do with him getting sideways with a certain agency that goes by a three letter acronym.
And ROTW? Sheesh! They get their “news stories” from press releases from the sheriff, CHP and other entities, or they just take the stories that the PE and the SBSUN put out, change the words around a bit, and present it as their “news” with no source citations. There’s no independent verification of facts – including those readily available on-line or questioning witnesses.
So anything that I read from one of the above sources will always be taken with a tablespoon of salt until proven otherwise.
Retired Sgt Chuck Wyatt of Alpenhorn news used to work for the Sheriff’s Dept right alongside Captain Rick Ells when they were both detectives. Why in the world would you expect them to be honest?
Wow! What a tangled web. If this wasn’t so sad and ridiculous it would be like the drama and intrigue that goes on in middle school. Man could these people be more shallow and imature. The statements of the Stern’s, the Sheriff Dept, and the DA have never been supported by the video and the facts. Twin Peaks rushed to judgement, acted without all the facts, as supported by Ellis saying he hadn’t seen the video even after Andrew was arrested and on and on and on. Why can’t they just say that?
What about the facts of any matter are so scary to them? I still say this all is scary. This could be anyone of us or our children. Who will be the next Allen Kepahart or Andrew Rocha and who has been in the past with no one to come to their defense and provide support?
Our law enforcement system made a mistake. Why can’t they just admit it? The print news on the mountain just can’t seem find the facts even with both hands AND the Hubble telescope! Yeah I know it’s about the money thing. But it is also about the moral thing and I think that is way more important any time.
Americans are a forgiving people, always have been. An admission of the problem goes a long way with us. Ya think everyone would have learned that from the Nixon thing. I think if he had just said “I screwed up. I’m sorry”. He would probably still be president.
Sheriff dept, DA’s office, mountian print news, get a grip, man up, and take like a woman!
Sorry I meant to say, take it like a woman.
Antoinette,
As you have observed, some people have never gotten past being 6th grade schoolyard bullies. Others prefer to live in a bubble, with a lack of understanding of what some people have to go through. Unless something ugly happens to them they will never understand injustice and bigotry.
My sister can confirm that I once had a great deal of regard for officers of the law, so it makes me sick that this experience has jaded me enough to view them with suspicion.
Regarding the facts, once Captain Ells and his investigators swallowed the lies that the Sterns fed them, they were locked in. There was no turning back. Now, despite the verdict, they cannot admit their error. They’d rather run around saying that the jury made a mistake. It’s possible that they’re obtuse enough to really believe that people will buy their story. What’s unfortunate for them, is that anyone who looks at the video will see the truth, just as the jury did, that the only crime committed was by Nancy Stern.
As for the DA’s office, apparently political considerations are more important than the truth. It was their job to twist the video into something other than what it was. Too bad for them that the jury had good vision and common sense.
Finally, what Sgt had to say about Alpenhorn News makes sense. Considering that the alpenhorn is a wooden horn used to communicate in mountainous areas of Europe, it stands to reason that they’d have an apparently wooden-headed purveyor of misinformation writing their stories. Added to that, the fact that he once worked alongside the less than honest Ells, explains why his article sounded like a police report instead of an objective relaying of the facts of the case.
Yep, he just lost all credibility when it comes to writing anything about anything.
HI Tom: You have it sooooo right. Now I know why I hadn’t read the Mtn News in years and only picked up a copy to follow the Stern saga. And….why in the world did I think they would ever tell the whole truth, nothing but the truth. It’s obvious that NO ONE at the Mtn News or Alpenhorn ever took the time to watch the video. Why…if they did they would have to tell the truth! I posted a comment on the Mtn News website saying “Shame on you” but as you know they quickly removed my post. Guess they don’t want to be ‘fair and balanced!!’ just totally lopsided. Who needs them anyway we can get ‘the real news’ right here ; -) Keep up the good work everyone.
Look, to be fair, TMN has only ever promised us a rose garden in the gardens of the houses the TMN helps the realtors sell. Be cautious not to expect more than they have already offered us. It’s a perals before swine kinda thing………………
Leaving soon to take a copy of an actual newspaper over the Alpenhorn. I will let you know what they say. I got a call from David Stern yesterday while I was at the hospital waiting for my husband come out of surgery. He had some questions which I answered. I had some questions and got answers I don’t even think David believed.
Can’t wait to hear what Dennis has to say. And…is David ‘checking out’ this blog…sure hope so. Would love to hear how he answered your questions. Thanks for the note
OK, let me guess how the interaction with Dennis went.
He either refused to talk to you, OR when you attempted to contradict anything that was in his paper, he became loud, belligerent and confrontational, and asked you to leave.
That’s pretty much been his reputation for the last 8-10 years.
Me; If Nancy is so afraid of this terrible family why did she leave the house at all and not just call 911?
David: She wanted to tell him to put the net down
Me: Why did Nancy leave your property and follow Martin into the street.
David: Nancy was still on the property. We own the road. It’s an easement.
Me: Do you really have armed guards over there?
David: Oh a friend from Arrowhead Patrol stopped by to say hello and he just happened to have a gun
Me: How long is this going to go on?
David: It will be over soon
Me: What has Dr. Rocha ever done to you?
David: I have nothing against Dr. Rocha it is his criminal kids, or maybe he said sons
Can anyone spell DISINGENUIOUS or perhaps he thinks I’m stupid
Actually I didn’t get to talk to Dennis but left a copy of the Sentinal for him and his reporter to read. I left my name and phone number with a request to call me. I told the ladies to please let Mr. Wyatt (who works from home and was not at the office) know that the article reflected the facts of the case and asked them to have Wyatt call and explain what he was thinking or not thinking when wrote he version.
Antoinette,
“Disingenuous” does not begin to cover David Stern. However, duplicitous, calculating, dishonest, and reprehensible just might.
This man and his wife have been terrorizing the Rocha family for so long that it has evidently become second nature to them. Either that or they’re beginning to believe their own lies.
The sheriff’s deputy who went over to talk to Dr. Rocha the first night their rent-a-cops showed up said that they had been hired. So now he claims they’re visitors?
So now they own the road? Perhaps they feel they own Lake Arrowhead as well.
Here’s the thing, if it’s a shared easement then the Rocha family has every right to be there, unless of course the easement reads, “May be used only if the Sterns are in a good mood.”
The more important thing here that should not be lost, is that when Nancy followed Martin Jr. into his car and tried to pull him out assaulting him in the process, SHE BROKE THE LAW.
Then, she lied. Repeatedly. When she wasn’t lying, she was making things up.
That they refuse to own up to their lies, not to mention the other horrible things they’ve done, not only to the Rocha family, while calling the two sons criminals as they play the “victims” tells me that they’re hypocritical philistines who would not recognize integrity if it parked itself in their living room with a brass band.
The Sterns have had a whole lot of people fooled for a very long time, too bad for them that their true nature is finally hitting the light of day.
“David: Oh a friend from Arrowhead Patrol stopped by to say hello and he just happened to have a gun”
If this guard had a gun that he is not licensed to carry as a security guard or if he was carrying it concealed or loaded or even unloaded in plain view, that is a criminal act. If the deputy were there and saw this, he ignored a criminal act. If it happens again, I suggest they demand he be arrested. If they refuse, document the incident so that if a shooting happens, you can sue the hell out of the Sterns, the Patrol company as well as the Sheriff’s Dept.
SGT,
According to Dr. Rocha when he came out that first night with his dog both David and the security guard were both on or very near his property, the guard had on a bullet proof vest and his hand was on his gun.
Who comes to “say hi” dressed to kill?
Rene-
Don’t think I was fooled by David’s comments. I just thought if he was gonna BS me he should have shown a little respect and at least tried to do a better job. He had no comment at all when I told him AGAIN that the tape did not match the police report or any of the tesitmony he, Nancy or the Deputy gave. He just rushed on with his blabber.
And frankly at the time he called my husband was having his leg amputated and I just didn’t have the emotional or mental wherewithall to deal with him. Had he caught me at a different time it would have been an entirely different conversation. I did tell him in no uncertain terms that I want my grandchildren’s doctor to be left in peace to deal with the little patients who need him.
When David asked me if I told anyone that Nancy had told me she faked her heart attack, I reminded him that Nancy can barely manage to be even sort of polite when I see him when see is with him. It appears to take everything she has just to manage a terse hello or a fine. She has issues for sure and it seems she always has. Whenever I have seen her she only can manage to be just shy of rude. So of course I never talked to her cause she is rude.
Whatever Rene, the polish is off. Things will never be the same for the Stern’s. David should have kept his fragile, old, heart patient wife inside the house on that morning since the poor thing barely managed to beat the heck out of and injure a young man less than half her age. Perhaps she secretly does that cage boxing thing. She has to be in some kind of excellent shape to attack young men in the streets….er the easement. Maybe the Rocha’s need karote lessons!
Antoinette,
I’m certain that you were not fooled by David Stern. Your commentary here speaks volumes to the fact that you now know the type of person he is. I’m also fairly certain that David didn’t show you any respect because he’s incapable of it.
I’m so sorry to hear of your husband’s health issues, and I hope he does well for both your sakes.
As for Nancy faking a heart attack, I’m sure it was an easy task for her, since she has been faking being a decent human being for quite some time. I’m not really surprised that she’s rude to you. She has certainly shown that side to the Rocha family. I mean really, why would a 70 year old woman stand in her front yard and give her neighbors the finger? Why would a 70 year old woman tell a neighbor that her property values decreased when they moved in? Why would a 70 year old woman verbally and physically attack a young man?
I happen to have an answer to these burning questions: Because she’s a cuckoo bird.
You have known these people for a number of years, so it must be disheartening to realize what they are truly capable of now that their duplicitous nature has shown itself. Additionally, they are evidently so obtuse, that they took my brother’s kindness for weakness. Isn’t it amazing how many bullies will do just that? My brother is mild-mannered, minds his own business, is incapable of being mean-spirited and is incredibly patient, all of which makes him such a good doctor.
All of this reflects poorly on David Stern, in light of the fact that he actively recruited Dr. Rocha to come to Lake Arrowhead, only to turn on him so viciously. That all of this animosity and vile behavior could have begun when my brother managed to purchase a building that the Sterns couldn’t, makes the Sterns look petty, brutish and desperate.
If they had not been lying liars about Andy, and as a result put him in harm’s way for 74 days, I’d probably feel sorry for them.
Wonder what would happen should the Rochas decide to move someday…maybe to a ‘nicer’ neighborhood and nicer home. And…maybe a family let’s say ‘of color’ or another ethnic background move it…oh my.They would not know what they are getting themselves into would they. How many of us ‘old’ friends of the Sterns have had our eyes opened wide now.
I really like this site. Seems to be the only place where real information ever changes hands. I just spent about an hour reading some of the other blogs and it seems we really are in big trouble here in the county. Some kind of something and citizen attention is desperately needed it would seem. Apparently, poor Andrew is just the lastest tip of a very big scandalous SBCSD iceberg! Most of our deputies really need our support. Some of our dept leaders should be let go.
Antoinette Gray,
Thank you for realizing that, I really appreciate your understanding and willingness to support those deputies, who are left with no voice, who do due the right thing. I am glad someone from the outside can see through the smoke screens of what the DEPARTMENT want’s you to believe and what truly is transpiring. It really means a lot to those deputies to hear that they have your support… I can only hope your support continues to election time…. Thank You
Hoops for walmart greeter–
Can you give me your take on Schrader? What is his background? I understand that he doesn’t have a master degree? No problem here on that for me unless he is a master manipulator. In almost every case where I have needed a deputy I have seen professionalism, respect, great insight, and some real caring about the problem.
But the Rocha situation reveals a severe problem that is really scarey. No one should be the next Andrew Rocha because of who made the call.
I think our deputies really would like to know that they are respected and trusted, I would be interested in helping restore that for the sake of the deputies and the public.
AG,
I can’t offer an opinion on Schrader specifically, I just don’t know enough about him. WITH THAT SAID, the system we have now is broken. You have first hand knowledge of that. The only way to fix the issue is to vote the current Administration out They have failed miserably.
If it boils down to Hoops or Schrader, it’s Schrader. Is it a gamble. Of course. Except what is in place now I KNOW does not work. Not to mention what these kingdom builders have lined up for the future is just as scary,
First impression, on the surface, Schrader is motivated, receptive, has good ideas, and has an open door policy. He is an outsider so he is removed from “pay back” politics.
New changes are scary, you may get worse, but the way I look at it, to allow what we have now to remain would be a whole lot worse So I encourage Schrader for those simple reasons.
Good Luck
All
Please check out the blog on this site; SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT TWO FOR TWO
I just posted on that blog and am asking that you all read the post and let have an answer.
Thanks so much!
I like Schrader because he does not run from the issues. Hoops does not step up and face anything.
Be Safe
The locals came a little late to the game, but check out what’s being said on ROTW
http://forums.rimoftheworld.net/showthread.php?5894-Anyone-else-following-this-More-mountain-injustice/page3
Maybe I missed it, but does anyone know if the Rocha family filed a civil suit and a malicious prosecution case yet?
Also does anyone know what happened to the deputy who clearly perjured himself?
Thanks in advance
I’ve been wondering the same thing. I just sent them an email and asked. I will let you know.
Thanks, would and could be good ammo for Schrader come election time!!!
The cop prolly got promoted like Eddie Stark just did.
Stark should be in jail. LYING bastard.
I hope they have but I have not heard anything. Would love an update. Thanks