Isn’t it nice that you are going to have a Brady cop for an assistant sheriff? Hey, anyone want to elaborate on HI107?
Or how about getting into an accident in his county ride and having his girlfriend say she was driving?
Or how about going to training/conferences/classes on county time and the county dime where food is included but never showing up and then falsifying travel claims and claiming the meals and expenses while he was playing golf instead of in class?
Or????????
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As I have told some in recent times, pitchess motions should be served on those in powers personnel file, ya know the ones who get up on the stand under OATH and talk about policy, ethics, and keeping an unsoiled life style.
I hope sooner than later to be adding a few names to the iepolitics BRADY list. Just so those Public Defenders and DA’s who are ethical, and read this blog will have some information.
I think the DDA that handled the Boros case should have done some inquiring before going forward with that case. OH forgot, she probably didn’t have a choice on that one. MAYBE next time.
Don’t worry anyone, there will be plenty of PROOF to the comments.
SEBA members need to pay attention:
You members need to know what SEBA will and WON’T do for its members. Those who doubt this can do the follow up, I encourage you to do so. The DDA found it more advantageous to place an innocent Deputy, at the very urging of those in IA and with the obvious blessing of the brass, on the Brady list. The very deputy which has recently been found innocent and has never so much as had a written reprimand may now have to spend his own money to get himself off of that list at the mere cost of 2 to 3k.
Let’s get one thing perfectly clear, it is absolutely irrelevant what one thinks personally about this individual, good or bad, what matters is it could be YOU. How? Simply if management decides to place you in their cross hairs.
The reason he was placed on the Brady list? Because of the ALLEGATION OF ATTEMPTED PETTY THEFT aka Moral Turpitude. Let me emphasize “ALLEGATION”. Yes, that’s it. If SEBA can explain that please do so. Furthermore he was proven innocent in less than 30 minutes by a jury. Even though the department and DA grandstanded for 3 days of trial. But did the DDA and the Brady Commission take him off the list? NO? Is SEBA knocking down the departments door or the DDAs office to get him off the Brady List? NOPE.
The biggest question of the day is this, will the absent SEBA rep’s, (Boot pay attention this concerns you) step up to the plate and ensure that this Deputy is taken off of the Brady list at no cost to the member or is SEBA gonna leave another member to fend for himself and keep the wolves at bay? I hope SEBA does the right thing…………
One more question for you Boot, has SEBA even contacted this MEMBER since his acquittal? If you are a stand up rep, you will ask around and surely find out how much SEBA cares because the answer, which I will save you the suspense is NO!!!!!! How do I know this….. We’ll you aren’t the only SEBA rep I know.
Stay Safe
P.S. Boot please don’t take it as a personal attack, your just the only one, which again I greatly appreciate, comes on the blogs and speaks up.
I see you posted this twice, so I’ll reply to both…
No offense taken Blase’… Good questions … I don’t know… The monthly rep meeting is tomorrow (Wednesday) at noon, I will ask around.
As always, I extend the invitation to all SEBA members and encourage you to attend every meeting.
I hope Boot kept his promise on talking with a certain lawyer who came onto this blog and called BS?
Good Morning, Administrator,
Your blog has facilitated exposing systemic and pandemic malfeasance, incompetence, and corruption metastasizing within SBSO. These are not opportunistic diseases. SBSO has created a culture in which these diseases thrive. In essence, those within SBSO who are responsible for creating its organizational culture have de facto encouraged malfeasance, incompetence, and corruption. While I have no actual knowledge of SBSO corruption, I have read about it enough times on your blog to know there has to be something to it.
I do have much direct knowledge of SBSO malfeasance and incompetence. The elderly lady from another post exemplifies SBSO malfeasance. She called SBSO because someone was throwing rocks at her window at 2:00 am. She was told a deputy was going to respond, which was a lie. SBSO deputies have perfected dereliction of duty. That lady was assuredly frightened. Even if it’s true that it might have been an inconsequential incident, TO HER, an SBSO deputy responding to assure her was undoubtedly the most important thing in her life. A deputy should have responded, possibly priority 2, to assure her SBSO cares about her safety.
I have written many times here that I’d much rather have CHP respond to any call for service that I might have. This is the consequence of SBSO malfeasance & incompetence. I know the rigmarole I am going to hear from an SBSO dispatcher. The dispatcher is the initial contact of the SBSO kissing-off-crimes syndrome. I have actually had SBSO dispatchers attempt to assume the role of SBSO deputy, which, in actuality, isn’t too difficult.
If a deputy were to arrive on scene of a call for service, I’d know what s/he will do before s/he knows what s/he is going to do. In almost 100% of crimes committed, deputies have two options available to them. They are exemplary at either: 1. No Crime, 2. Civil Problem.
SBSO has accomplished its mission statement, which is discouraging citizens from calling it. Why in God’s name would I want a deputy to arrive on scene at any call for service when I already know, based upon inferential reasoning, that most don’t know their jobs? There is no doubt in my mind that there are SBSO deputies who would attempt to turn murder into a civil problem. I’ve once told an SBSO deputy that she’d try to do it, and I meant it. She is so stupid that the predictability of her stupidity must never be underestimated. Thus, based upon actual knowledge, I’d much rather have CHP respond to any call for service that might arise.
I know that there are squared away SBSO deputies. When the economy picks up, if it ever does, I’d expect most of SBSO’s best to lateral to preeminent agencies where they’ll be compensated for their actual value instead of being compensated based upon the value of SBSO’s lowest denominator, which is darn near zero. And we all know that it’s impossible to divide anything by zero.
Fassari opined in a previous post that cops ought to get out now because it ain’t gunna get much better. I cannot deny his opinion. But I might supplement it with the recommendation that SBSO deputies examine other agencies before bailing on law enforcement. I was a lot older when I got into law enforcement than I am now; translated: I thought I had the gig wired when I was too young to realize just how much I had yet to learn. Were I accorded a do-over, I think I’d go Laguna Beach PD. Not only is Laguna one of the most gorgeous beaches in the Western USA, its residents are extremely friendly and polite. Those who really are extremely rich seem to be the most nice and friendly. It’s the posers, the phonies who desperately try to exude an artificial aura of wealth, who are jerks. And, of course, during bikini season, which seems to be most of the year, money doesn’t come into play.
From what I hear, Laguna Beach PD is dedicated to delivering exemplary service to its residents. All male Laguna cops are required to attend a six week course on delivering beach service. Much of the course teaches sunscreen application. Well, if it ain’t true, it ought to be. Who would ever want to see a damsel distressed by sunburn??? Shouldn’t a cop always be prepared to help???
BTW, I have heard that Leon Phelps has applied to every beach city in the state. He’s been declined by every agency. Last I heard he’s in SBSO’c current academy awaiting assignment at the river.
R
Raisuli,
The mere fact that you want to work in a city with nothing but nice polite people tells me that you have absolutely no concept what a SB Deputy deals with every day. Whatever agency you worked for in Orange County was nothing compared to SBSD. You proclaim you dealt with riot situations on the beach. WOW! That must have been scary with the 350 other cops standing next to you. Have you ever encountered fire when yor nearest back-up is 5 minutes out? Deputies have. So just because you feel you got shafted by a deputy who didn’t investigate your child abuse claim to your fullest satisfaction, stop bitching about the entire department. I have never once heard of any alleged victim being happy with ANY law enforcement agency when they did not receive their desired outcome. So give it a rest with the adjectives such as malfeasance and go back to Orange County.
ACU,
While I’ll admit right up front that it’s been a long time since I was in a black & white, I do believe a “Pitches Motions” is confined to disclosing a cop’s personnel file relative to excessive use of force complaints.
Oh so many decades ago I did a research paper on “Pitches Motion” for a research methodologies course. But I honestly can’t remember what was actually researched.
If the DDA who prosecuted Boros initiated legal action against him for political rather than legal reasons, s/he should be disbarred. This is why I have an inherent distrust of lawyers on both sides of the fence.
I can almost guarantee you that the public defender’s office builds dossiers on Brady cops and cops that it can prove are unethical. I’m sure it shares its dossiers with other defense attorneys. They probably read this blog. So when, say JustCurious, lies on this blog about what he wrote about statements not being evidence then feebly tries to do a 180, were he called to testify about his knowledge he’d either have to admit he’s a moron or he’d have to lie, which is what attorneys will want him to do.
I swear, ACU, I once had a death penalty lawyer try to get me to write paper on a cop who acted unprofessionally on a call that I witnessed and then tried to lie about what he did. I knew what the death penalty lawyer was trying to dupe me into doing. I refused his request. Lawyers do build dossiers on cops. I ain’t gunna help ‘em.
The axiom of a lawyer not asking a question of a cop on stand to which s/he doesn’t already know the answer should be imbued upon every cop’s brain. Lawyers love to lead cops down a benign path, enticing them to lie. It’s the fool cop who is led.
I was very naive with my family law experience. Being a cop for nigh on twenty years, I believed that justice would follow truth. What a fool I was. I learned an extremely costly lesson that in family law, the best liar wins. I even had an erstwhile family law attorney practicing in Huntington Beach tell me that he got out of that line of work because justice was not the objective. He also told me that in family law, the best liar wins. However, I will never allow myself to be brought down to the depths of bottom feeding lawyers. I have always told the truth, and I will continue to tell the truth.
About six years ago my brother told me that he had heard that VV Commissioner Proulx was not that bright, but he had no direct Proulx experience. Keep in mind that there are fewer than 100 lawyers in CA with my brother’s criminal trial experience. This means that judges and other lawyers with whom my brother associates must have told him of their experiences with Proulx.
Proulx needs to perform a deep introspection to figure out what personality quirk he has that is conveyed to liars that they can lie to him with impunity. It’s not so bad that litigants lie to him, what’s worse is that he actually encourages liars to lie to him by rewarding them. Proulx is a Pavlov rat breeder & feeder. A light goes on, a litigant lies, and Proulx drops cheese. In essence, Proulx is good for CPC 31/118, aiding and abetting perjury.
There is no doubt in my mind that Proulx has his job because someone owed him a favor. He certainly lacks intellectual depth to have earned commissioner appointment due to merit. Someone owed him a favor. He’s been in family law for about ten years. Keep in mind that judges hate family law, yet Proulx has been confined to ruining families for his entire tenure. His boss obviously knows his limitations. And he’s been unable to secure judicial appointment while other more competent commissioners and lawyers have. After ten years, I am sure CA judicial standards is well aware of his lack of ability. Proulx is good for CPC 31/273d and CPC 31/118. His encouraging litigants to lie places children in danger. Believe me, SBSO will turn it’s back on a felon sitting on a bench.
After my exposure to family law, I can easily see why judges hate sitting on family law benches. All day, every day, they are instrumental in destroying families and harming children. Either Proulx enjoys ruining families and harming children, or he’s not marketable as a lawyer.
Here’s more proof of Proulx’s ineptitude: my ex-wife admitted in court and on record to committing all requisite elements of CPC 273a. This can easily be researched for veracity. A few weeks later she submitted a declaration under penalty of perjury in which she wrote that she had committed all requisite elements of CPS 273a. Again, this can easily be proved by looking at the actual declaration she has submitted under penalty of perjury. A light was illuminated, she lied, and Proulx dropped cheese.
The bottom line is that Proulx, relying upon liars and morons gave a repeatedly abused child to her abuser. He lacks honor, character, and ethics to admit to his mistake. Since he gave an abused child to her abuser, she has suffered at least two more counts of 273d, which makes Proulx good for aiding and abetting child abuse, which makes him a felon. Because he lacks honor and character to admit he made a horrific mistake, he will allow a child to continued to be abused so that he can conceal from his boss that he’s wholly unqualified.
Exacerbating Proulx’s ineptitude, there are two witnesses who saw my ex virtually torture my daughter. One has submitted three declarations under penalty of perjury attesting to the fact that she has witnessed my ex committing two counts of torture upon my child. The other witness is her son. My child admitted to a very squared away deputy that she has been the victim of de facto torture. Bringing these facts to Proulx’s attention placed him in a very uncomfortable position. He had a choice of admitting his mistake and protecting a child or protecting his job. He choose the latter, referring to abuse that was nothing short of torture as frivolous. I wonder what the DA’s office would think of Proulx’s, in spite of overwhelming evidence that my ex has on two occasions tortured my child, calling such horrific abuse frivolous.
My ex’s behavior was very consistent with meth abuse. A declarant who submitted a declaration under penalty of perjury attested to my ex telling her that her (my ex’s) former boyfriend, a truck driver, was a tweaker. Another declarant who abused meth for many years thus according him basis of knowledge -he hasn’t tweaked in a dozen years- has submitted a declaration under penalty of perjury attesting that in 2008 he, the year my ex committed two counts of torture upon my child, had witnessed my ex under the influence of meth. But to Proulx, these were merely inconvenient facts that proved he gave an abused child to her abuser. And because he has no honor or character, he’ll never, ever admit he made a tragic mistake. He’d rather risk a child’s safety than his job.
What’s sad is that when a cop goes sideways, it’s all over the media conveying the subliminal message being that all cops are bad. However, there are dirt bags practicing law and there are dirt bags sitting on the bench.
Obviously Brady ought to apply to everyone employed within the justice system. Lawyers, whom Jesus didn’t trust, and judges, whom Thomas Jefferson didn’t trust, ought to be included in Brady. Lawyers & judges are as unethical as anyone else in American jurisprudence. In fact, I know many lawyers who hate lawyers. And I know of many unethical judges, one of whom was taken off the bench during court because he was drunk, which he was most of the time.
We are limiting our desire for an ethical justice system by applying Brady to only cops. We ought to pass an initiative in CA that requires a published list of unethical judges and lawyers. The list must be published yearly unless an egregious act of unprofessional conduct were to occur, in which case it would be published immediately. We have a right to know who our unprofessional lawyers, judges, and commissioners are.
Lance Ito was as responsible as Gil Garcetti for allowing OJ to walk on two counts of 187. Why wasn’t he immediately removed from the bench? The LA county DA & judge were good for allowing OJ to improve his golf game, and not a damned thing was done about it.
Take a look at this list of judicial discipline. Some of these judges have committed felonies, yet they’re still sitting on benches. There is something terribly wrong with our justice system when judges can commit felonies yet remain on the bench: http://cjp.ca.gov/desisions_by_judges.htm
Buenas Dias,
R
James Mills,
You’re using extremely tenuous excuses to rationalize bad behavior. Regardless of where a cop works, his primary obligation is to the Peace Officer Code of Ethics. If you’re unable to provide professional service to SB county, of if you’re unaware of professional service, you’re definitely in way above where you were Peter Principled.
R
James Mills,
BTW, malfeasance is a concept, hence a noun.
Adios,
R
Proulx’s exposed his subliminal thought processes during my last court appearance. During his soliloquy during which attempted to justify his unconscionable and arguably criminal action of giving a repeatedly abused child to her abuser, he hymned that I didn’t get what I wanted so I picked up my ball and went home. He was right: I didn’t get what I wanted, which was justice and protection for a very confused 8 year old child.
Most of us have heard that family law is a game. For one to be successful, one has to play the game. I have heard this refrain God only knows how many times. However, the health, safety, and welfare of my child is not a game. Proulx confirmed his ineptitude by using a game analogy. Apparently he can’t even think within a box let alone outside of one. Obviously it has never occurred to him that I am a desperate dad trying to protect the health, safety, and welfare of my daughter who is trapped within a corrupted system that Proulx revealed to be a game in which the best liar wins. As would any concerned parent, a child’s health, safety, and welfare rises above all else. A parent who is dedicated to his child’s well-being will pursue every legitimate means in order to protect her/his child, especially when she’s mired in a system that in fact causes children to suffer child abuse.
Proulx not only lacks honor, character, and ethics, apparently he would not fight for the health, safety, and welfare of his own child. Imposing his predilection of not assertively protecting his own child from abuse, he expects concerned parents to acquiesce to his belief of allowing their children to suffer continued abuse caused by a corrupted system. Moreover, he is a danger to children and ought not have influence in any child’s life. As per CPC 32/273d, he is a principal to child abuse, which makes him a child abuser, which makes him a felon.
Proulx in more concerned with protecting his job than protecting children. Looking at life through his eyes, he has to be close to 60 years old or better. Quality attorneys earn much more than does a commissioner. If he were a $400-$500 dollar an hour lawyer (A Newport Beach family law attorney gets at least $600 a hour, & he has no shortage of clients.), he’d be practicing law. But he’s not. Someone owed him a favor; his reward was to Peter Principle him. Proulx knows that he’s been gifted with the best job he’s ever had or ever will have. There has to be a reason he’s remained within family law for 10 years, a legal discipline judges hate. Reason dictates that were he able to earn a living practicing law, he’d run away from his job as family law commissioner. His only hope in life is to remain in position to ruin families and harm children until he can collect retirement stipends. And if he has to harm children to protect his position that’s several pay grades above his ability, he’ll accept it as a cost of doing business.
I stand ready and willing to prove every single syllable in my two posts on Proulx.
Believe me, while Proulx encourages my ex to lie by feeding her, there is no doubt in my mind that were he able to catch me in a lie, he’d have me prosecuted. But he never will because I have never lied. A friend of mine, one of very few lawyers whom I trust, asked me if he thought Proulx hates cops and was operating upon his prejudices by willingly harming my child and unjustly rewarding my ex. I told him that I honestly did not know the answer to that question. However, it certainly must be considered.
Proulx is a Brady commissioner who at least ought to be fired and quite possibly prosecuted for aiding and abetting perjury and aiding and abetting child abuse. He’s probably also good for accessory to filing false documents as per CPC 115, another felony. And the person who owed Proulx a favor and gifted him with a position that accorded him ability to intentionally harm children ought to be fired as well.
Proulx personifies Thomas Jefferson’s distrust of judges.
R
James Mills,
I have known many, many victims who were more than satisfied with law enforcement service they have received. I have known many, many cops who were commended for their dedication to professional resolution of calls for service. James, if you have never once heard of a crime victim being satisfied with law enforcement service, the chances are extremely good it’s because crime victims were given piss poor law enforcement service. And when SBSO deputies respond to crimes with the refrains of civil problem or no crime, then I can see why you have not known any crime victims who were satisfied with SBSO’s law enforcement service. Here’s a novel idea for you: the next time you respond to a call, do not let your first thought be of how you’re going to kiss off crimes. Instead assure justice is your objective. That way you’ll be far more likely to have satisfied crime victims. Does this make sense to you?
Crime victims have a reasonable expectation that justice will be served. Unreasonable expectations is one thing; however, reasonable expectation that justice will be served is expected. If many SBSO deputies have no clue of their jobs, then inferentially it is reasonable to conclude justice will be denied; hence, dissatisfied crime victims. There is no legitimate excuse for denying justice. It is malfeasance, incompetence, and dereliction of duty.
Here’s a true story of which I have personal knowledge. A cop I used to work with responded to a call for service. Mike completed a thorough investigation and concluded that no crime was committed. The informant insisted that Mike take a report. He politely assured her that a report was not necessary. Because she insisted, Mike told her that he would write a 10-22 report. She had no idea of the meaning of 10-22, which, for those of you who’re unaware, is translated to cancel your call. The following day the administrator in charge of operations called Mike into his office. Mike had no idea that the informant had contacted the administrator about his 10-22 report. Mike had to explain to the administrator the facts of the call. The administrator was satisfied that Mike had made the right call. The point is that if Mike had intentionally kissed off a crime, especially a felony, he would have been looking at days off.
I am well aware of the logistical problems plaguing SBSO; however, they are no excuse for failing to assure justice is done and professional service. If a felony is suspected and you’re unable to deliver justice, you’re in the wrong line of work. That is factual. Otherwise you are a part of the problem that has resulted in deputies kissing off crimes, especially felonies. And that is the classic definition of dereliction of duty for which no excuse exists.
Burned out cops is a serious disease plaguing law enforcement. While law enforcement agencies’ administrations are often causal, cops themselves make poor decisions that result it their becoming burned out.
During a police community relations course I attended while in academy, the lieutenant teaching the course gave us valuable advice. He said it was our responsibility to assess our personalities and match the result with agencies for which we wanted to work. Were we to choose poorly, we had no one to blame but ourselves.
Having been fortunate to work in the most beautiful and affluent areas of Orange County has accorded me perspective of working environments. Keeping in mind that working environments will influence burn out, I would much rather work where the scenery is beyond beautiful, and I would much rather interact with decent, hard working citizens than dirt bags all day long. But don’t get the wrong impression: my former agency expected us to take crooks to jail.
But don’t be deceived by assuming a lack of criminal activity in Orange County. At one time, and I believe it’s still true, South Orange County had more bank robberies than anyplace in the state. I had a friend who was shot and nearly killed in a housing development of million dollar homes. A very famous movie star owned a home in that same development. Sadly, I have known too many cops who were shot and some murdered in Orange County. There’s a lot of money in Orange County. And where there’s a lot of money they will be a lot of crime.
As politely as I can convey this concept, because Orange County agencies pay much more than agencies in other areas, they are able to be extremely discriminating about whom their hire. There are many OC cops with graduate degrees. Irvine PD had at one time five cops who held law degrees. There were a few lawyers working for the agency that employed me. The most attractive locales in which to work attract the highest quality candidates. And Orange County does having enviable living conditions that accord a higher quality of life. This is factual. To my way of looking at life, I’d much rather watch the sun sink into the Pacific behind Catalina than watch it disappear into desert sand. But that’s just me. Mileage will vary for others.
An SBSO lieutenant told me not too long ago that many years ago he interviewed with Huntington Beach PD. He was an SBSO deputy at that time. He told me that during the interview, the panel ridiculed him for working for SBSO, which I did not believe. I think he failed the interview and was trying to preserve his ego. However, he did know that Huntington Beach PD did have a negative view of SBSO.
I have lived in SB county for 16 years. I am a fish out of water, so to write. To my way of looking at life, I know I would have been burned out in weeks going 10-8 in the High Desert knowing that nearly everyone I would have come into contact was a dirt bag. Believe me, I have arrested a whole lot of dirt bags in Orange County; however, I was also able to interact with great people. I actually enjoyed interacting with good people who appreciated law enforcement. Had I had to interact with dirt bags all day long, I would have become burned out in a heartbeat.
James, while this is just a guess because I don’t have access to actual statistics, I’d bet more Inland Empire and High Desert cops try to lateral to OC agencies than vice versa. If this is in fact accurate, I’d bet higher pay and better quality of life have a lot to do with it. There’s a reason why beach cities homes are extremely expensive, and why movie & rock stars and professional athletes live in Newport Beach and Laguna Beach.
James, either you chose to work for SBSO or it was the only agency that would hire you. Either way, you made a choice that affected your life.
Finally, I am in the process of moving back to OC. As it is now, I go there as often as I can. From my perspective, I’d rather live in a shoebox on the beach than a mansion in the High Desert. But that’s my perspective. Others will get different mileage. And were I into horses or motorcross racing, I’d certainly consider the mountains of SB county or the High Desert. I can completely understand deputies who are into such sports wanting to live in these locations. But for me, I’d rather grab a surfboard and ride waves among dolphins.
Hasta Luego,
R
I bet it would be fun to sit down with R’s exwife and hear all of his bs stories. He had all his ducks in a row and a judge still didn’t listen to him, funny how quick he is to point out how incompetent deps are unless they worked the beach where the worse conflicts they had were kids on skate board scraching someone’s BMW (riot squads and all units rolling for backup on it too). It you knew what you were really talking about you might have actually made head way in your case. But if you tried to show the judge how much smarter you are than everyone else like you do in here no wonder they are still laughing at you.
James Mills,
This story might help you understand the concept of professional law enforcement service. Mike, in the above post, and I were riding in one of six two-man cars our agency assigned 10-8. These cars augmented the normal compliment of patrol cars. They did not replace them. These cars had one purpose: to arrest as many dirt bags as possible. And we did. The big boss wanted to convey the message that dirt bags were not going to caper within his jurisdiction. Within the six week period, dirt bags that had been capering in our jurisdiction had gotten the intended word that they had better find more fertile grounds lest they risk jail. And the big boss meant it. You caper in his jurisdiction, you were going to jail. We followed the penal code. A victim could tell us all day long that she did not want prosecution. Too bad, so sad. If a felony was committed, what the victim desired was not an element of ANY crime. If her husband/boyfriend/friend committed a crime and the victim did not want prosecution, she needed to take it up with the DDA. Our job was to take crooks to jail. And that’s just what we did.
Mike had a reliable, confidential informant. We made contact with him. Mike talked to his RCI who told him that a car would come by the tombs, a dilapidated, seedy tenement in which illegal aliens squatted, on a specific date at a specific time, and a female white adult would service the illegal aliens living there.
Later that evening we spotted the car as described by the RCI. Wouldn’t you know it? It was parked under a no parking sign. We made contact with a male white adult. He denied a woman was present. I asked him if the purse in the back seat belonged to him. Then he admitted that his wife was visiting “friends” who lived in the tombs. Well, they must not have been good friends if they didn’t invite her husband to visit.
I walked into the tombs. As I got to about the middle of the tenement, a female white adult matching the description given to Mike by his RCI exited a tenement room. She told me she was there visiting friends. I asked her to provide names of her friends. At that point she copped to being a prostitute. I asked her who her male half was. She ID’d him as her husband. I asked her what she did with the money she earned from prostituting herself. She said she shared it with her husband, who had driven her to the tombs. I told her that that made him her pimp.
The illegal aliens squatting in the tombs refused to talk to us. If I recall, her husband, who had done state time, refused to talk to us. Now pay attention here, JustCurious and VV Chesseman, all we had were her statements that she was prostituting herself and that she had given her husband a share of the money she had earned making him her pimp. We had no other evidence.
Based solely upon her inculpating statements, Mike and I took her to jail for CPC 647(b), Prostitution, since she had yet retreated from her misdemeanor to a point where it was no longer in our presence, and him for CPC 266h, Pimping. There was at least a minute or two of radio silence after Mike requested a DR for 266h, a crime for which patrol cops don’t ordinarily request a DR. At that time in our agency, and I believe it is still true, Mike and I were the only patrol cops to ever arrest a prostitute and pimp. Both suspects had been slamming heroin, and all conscientious cops work addicts because they are responsible for a high percent of property crimes.
Keeping in mind that the only evidence we had were her statements, when the DDA received the case, he considered it for as long as he could. He finally decided to decline to file because the marital privilege would exclude the only evidence he had, which were her statements. However, even the DDA commended Mike on his excellent police work. The DDA told Mike that he had never before seen such a case initiated by patrol cops. And this case resulted from Mike’s professionally working his RCI and conducting a thorough investigation leading to PC to arrest a prostitute and her pimp.
James, professional law enforcement agencies do not kiss of crimes, especially felonies. They don’t kick boxes down the road. They take boxes to jail. Professional law enforcement agencies hire cops who know substantive and adjective law and know how to apply both. Professional law enforcement agencies expect their cops to do their jobs, and there is no fanfare when they do their jobs because that’s what they were hired to do. And while Mike and I were the only patrol cops in the history of our department to have arrested a prostitute and her pimp, we were not commended for arresting a prostitute and her pimp. We were assigned a two-man felony car to do exactly what we did. We hadn’t gone above and beyond the call of duty. We were merely two conscientious cops who had performed our jobs as had been expected. However, many of our fellow cops and sergeants did congratulate us, especially for Mike’s handling of his RCI.
James, if you know law enforcement and what your job as a cop is and perform it conscientiously, you should receive positive feedback from victims. If every crime victim with whom you have delivered “professional service” was dissatisfied with your job performance, then the odds are better than excellent that you’re a derelict who ought not work in law enforcement.
Believe me, James, if you worked for the agency that used to employ me and your crime victims were dissatisfied with your delivery of service, you would have been put on monthly evals. You might have gotten by with days off for kissing off one felony. Kissing off another would have gotten you unemployment checks. No one kicked boxes where I used to work. Felons went to jail.
Mike once took a homeless man to jail for commercial burglary for stealing a sandwich from a liquor store. I felt sorry for the homeless dude. There’s no doubt in my mind that had he asked Mike to buy him a sandwich, Mike would have fed him. I think Mike felt sorry for the guy, too. But instead of asking Mike to buy him a sandwich, he decided to commit commercial burglary. A professional cop is well aware that his feelings about a suspect cannot interfere with her/his law enforcement judgment. Moreover, the liquor store owner had a right to expect cops to protect his livelihood and protect his ability to conduct business. Consistent with the big boss’s departmental culture, were a crook to caper in his jurisdiction, s/he went to jail.
Mike was an excellent cop. He had a natural gift for interviewing/interrogating. I learned a lot from watching him in action. When he talked with snitches and informants, he made damned sure that they knew he was in control. If one merely tried to get info out out of Mike, he’d respond with something to the effect, “I’ve been a cop longer than you’ve been a crook. You don’t ask questions. You will answer mine.” And if one of Mike’s snitches committed a crime, s/he went to jail. In fact, our big boss’s policy was that snitches were never to be cut slack. Regardless of the value of a snitch, if one were to commit a crime without her/his handler’s permission, s/he went to jail.
Jus’ sayin’…
Adios Hombre
R
hmmmmm,
Make no mistake, I did screw up. I know where I screwed up. And I will own up to my screw ups. One of my biggest screw ups was believing that justice was a component of family law. And I neglected to consider that where money’s involved and a life of repose, which is what my ex wanted more than anything, there was no lie she wasn’t willing to tell. She doesn’t want to work. She believes she’s entitled to gouge me for as much as she can in order to for her to live a meaningless life.
R
R,
Based on your story, I could have said you were the pimp. Mike should have arrested you….. If the ONLY EVIDENCE YOU HAD was a 647(b) saying her husband was the pimp, THATS it, nothing else, I am sorry, but that’s a b.s arrest.
Your wife calls, tells Officer Mike, “R” has been pimp’n me out to his OC buddies. No wits, just her statement, according to you, YOU go to jail….. Is that what your selling? Please say it ain’t so……
“But don’t be deceived by assuming a lack of criminal activity in Orange County. At one time, and I believe it’s still true, South Orange County had more bank robberies than anyplace in the state. I had a friend who was shot and nearly killed in a housing development of million dollar homes. A very famous movie star owned a home in that same development. Sadly, I have known too many cops who were shot and some murdered in Orange County. There’s a lot of money in Orange County. And where there’s a lot of money they will be a lot of crime.”
HAHAHAHHAHHA!! Theres a lot of crime in Santa Ana and thats about it. San Bernardino County ranks 3rd in gangs in the nation…hmmm theres not a lot of money in San Bernardino County…Victorville had more crime per capita then Los Angeles..hmmm not a lot of money there…the City of San Bernardino has almost a gang murder a week…hmmm no money there…get outta here with your nonsense…
JustCurious,
Why would you suppose the jurisdictions serviced by SBSO are crime plagued? Do you think that kissing off felonies attracts crime? In other words, do you think that it is possible that the culture of SBSO actually encourages criminals to commit crimes in your jurisdiction because they know that deputies are more likely than not to kiss them off?
JustCurious, if you don’t know your job, and you don’t, why would citizens of SB county think you’re capable of doing anything about your crime problem?
Here’s some badly needed advice for you. First learn your job. Start by subscribing to the California Peace Officers Legal Source Book and read it often. In it, you’ll learn the value of statements. Then learn how to apply the knowledge you’ll hopefully acquire. Then go out and do your damned job or quit. As it is now, you are derelict and ought to be fired.
Finally, I gave you a link to James Q. Wilson’s “Broken Windows”. I know you didn’t read it because doing so requires intellect. Here’s the gist of Wilson’s treatise: when you allow crime to occur in your jurisdiction, you become part of the problem. Since you don’t know your job and therefore kiss off crime, you become accessory to crime.
JustCurious, do us all a favor and quit. You are a liability to the citizens of this county.
R
Anon,
You need to learn law enforcement.
Anon, are you trying to tell me that defendants have not been convicted based solely upon the testimony of their victims?
Anon, rape cases, especially stale rape cases where no other evidence is present, almost always hinge entirely upon the victim’s testimony that consent was not given. If the jury or judge in a court trial believes her, the defendant goes to prison.
Not only was that arrest valid, the DDA searched for every conceivable way to prosecute him for 266h. Due to the marital exception, he was unable to force her to testify against her husband. If he had been her boyfriend, he’d have gone to prison.
While JustCurious is tutoring you about statements, have him teach you about statements against penal interest. Maybe you might just learn something. However, learning is only half of your law enforcement objective. You might have a concept wired. But if you can’t apply what you know, you’re useless as a cop.
There is no doubt in my mind why criminals come to SB county to caper. Most SBSO cops don’t have a clue of substantive or adjective law. Anon, learn your job!
Anon, I am sorry, but putting you in a patrol car to enforce law is “b.s.” [sic].
About twenty years ago Santa Ana PD initiated a response to heroin use in its city called Operation Swat Hypes. Under that program, SAPD took hypes for 11350 under the legal theory that they were unable to use unless they were in actual possession of heroin. Maybe you might want to research it. That way you’ll know how professional law enforcement operates.
Sgt seems to be an extremely squared away poster on this blog. He has to have deep concern over the abject lack of law enforcement knowledge of purported SBSO deputies who post here. Hopefully he’ll be able to institute an agency-wide remediation program, possibly even hiring Devallis Rutledge to teach SBSO deputies their roles and jobs in law enforcement.
R
Anon,
BTW, in the early 90′s, an Orange County cop was booked for 261.2, which I believe was stale, based solely upon the victim’s statements. I believe his agency was the arresting agency. I am not sure what happened with that case. I just happened to be booking someone while the assuredly ex-cop was being booked. I do remember his having a very frightened look upon his face.
Anon, if someone told you the she was a principal to a crime, why would you disbelieve her? According to statements against penal interest, inculpating statements are extremely powerful evidence.
According to the California Peace Officers Legal Source Book, statements are powerful evidence because the jury is actually able to hear what was said and assess credibility of those testifying.
Anon, this is a sincere question: does your agency teach you that statements are not evidence? I am honestly curious because I have never heard of any other law enforcement agency disregard statements.
R
Anon,
Indulge me by answering another question: can you explain the difference between probable cause for arrest and courtroom proof necessary to convict and when each applies?
Thanks,
R
This EVIDENCE argument can be easily resolved;
Anything an officer ‘collects’ during his/her investigation, be it statements or ‘stuff’ (cigarette butts, used condoms, or fingerprints) is taken as ‘evidence’. If any of the ‘stuff’ is admitted, during court proceedings, as ‘evidence’ it becomes something the trier of facts (Judge or Jury) may consider when deciding guilt or innocence.
‘Statements’ may or may not be admitted into evidence during court proceedings, just as physical evidence (fingerprints, etc.) may or may not be admitted. The reasons for not admitting evidence are many (relevance, coercion, hearsay, the best evidence rule, etc.)
So the used condom you collect may have no relevance to the crime you are investigating (turns out it was discarded the the horny teenage neighbor). Is it ‘evidence’? It was collected as possible ‘evidence’ but turned out to be discarded trash.
The ‘statement’ you took was collected as ‘evidence’ but not may not be admissible, so it is never considered as ‘evidence’ during deliberation.
I HOPE this clears up the ‘statement’ argument. We’re all tired of hearing it.
Stay safe.
“R”
Here you go again. I have read your POST’s over and over again rea testimony blah blah. What they teach is to pull your head out of the clouds, conduct a THOROUGH investigation, ensure all the elements are met, then if they are, make the arrest. Your such a brick you made an arrest of a statement alone. That is the most ridiculous, idiotic thing I have ever heard. Do you know what the elements for pimp’n are? You clearly don’t because had you, you would have known that the so called Pimp had to have received money prior to or after the transaction. No where did you say you recovered monies from this “pimp”. For all you know the wife could hate her husband, much like yours does you, lied, and said he was her pimp. And you, being the worthless cop you were, do no investigation, establish that there is any credibility to her statements, and arrest him.
That is SO BEYOND IDIOTIC. “R” I am so glad I don’t live in OC. If that’s how you bozos do business down there it’s no wonder so many citizens are losing their rights to carry guns and vote while proving their innocence in a court system so backed up by pawns of the Govt. They are all being arrested by robotic morons like you for felony lies. One thing is for sure, what ever academy you went to taught “stupid” as an LD.
One more thing, I hope your wife calls again, accuses you of a crime, and you get arrested based solely on your wifes statement. Then maybe then you will see how stupid you sound…..
Bravo Fassari and Anon.
Anyone wishing to attend the Orange County school of evidence gathering please contact R via email, for a private lesson.
Anon,
Here is CPC 266h:
266h. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), any person who,
knowing another person is a prostitute, lives or derives support or
maintenance in whole or in part from the earnings or proceeds of the
person’s prostitution, or from money loaned or advanced to or charged
against that person by any keeper or manager or inmate of a house or
other place where prostitution is practiced or allowed, or who
solicits or receives compensation for soliciting for the person, is
guilty of pimping, a felony, and shall be punishable by imprisonment
in the state prison for three, four, or six years.
As I’m sure you’re able to discern, there is no element requiring an actual transfer of money from a prostitute to her pimp at any time, let alone prior to transaction. And this is logical. How can a prostitute transfer money to her pimp prior to earning it? What is required is that the pimp lives, or drives support, or maintenance from the earnings of a prostitute. And in the crime I posted of, he did meet this element of the crime, for her earnings were used to score heroin. If she had earned while engaging in prostitution to provide for his maintenance, he was good to go.
I’ll explain statements, statements against penal interest, and statements establishing probable cause probable cause later, and courtroom proof later. However, you’d do yourself a great favor by reading the chapter on statements in the California Peace Officers Legal Source Book.
Good Night,
R
ACU,
If you’re your gunna ride a bandwagon, you oughta first make sure that you buy a ticket for the right one lest you wind up on Shit River heading for BFE.
I believe that the disconnect stems from a confusion of probable cause to arrest and courtroom proof necessary to convict. These are two very distinct concepts, each having different requirements. BTW, if concepts allow us to take an idea, say probable cause, and apply it to similar situations. Hence, a thorough understanding of probable cause accords ability to apply that concept to other applications.
Here is an excellent Devallis Rutledge article that explicates and contrasts probable cause to courtroom proof: http://www.policemag.com/Channel/Recruit/Articles/Print/Story/2010/05/Understanding-Probable-Cause.aspx
The essence of this article is that proof necessary to convict is not required to establish probable cause to arrest.
R
Another area that appears to produce confusion for many here is the concept as statements as evidence. For some reason some deputies cannot accept the FACT a statements from a single person alone is not only sufficient to establish probable cause to arrest to convict as well. God only knows how many times prosecutors are from to deal with the devil. This occurs were there is no other evidence and crimes might be decades old. Assume that twenty years ago two murder bad guys murder another bad guy. Physical evidence is but a dream. Cops know who did it, but they can’t prove it and they’re never able to find the deceased. Finally cops are able to get one of the killers to roll on the other. Prosecutors offer one a deal they’d rather not, but without his testimony both go free. So prosecutors cut a deal with one. His statements and his statements alone all the cops now have. Based only upon the testimony alone of the one offered a greatly reduced sentenced, the other is convicted and sentenced to death.
If you can grasp the concept of statements as evidence, it, like most other concepts have applications to other fact patterns.
Here’s an article about Fred Berre Douglas who was arrested and convicted for making snuff films in San Bernardino County. The only evidence the cops had were statements from his co-defendant. Had prosecutors not cut a deal with him, both would have gotten away with murder. This was taken from an “LA Times” article:
Fred Berre Douglas, 63, Garden Grove. Sentenced: April 5, 1985, by Judge Ronald E. Owen. Convicted in the Aug. 13, 1982, shooting deaths of two Anaheim teen-agers, Beth Jones, 19, and Margaret Krueger, 16. Douglas and a co-defendant, who was given immunity to testify against him, were accused of luring the victims to the desert on the pretense of paying them for modeling assignments. Instead, Douglas sexually assaulted and then shot them. Contrary to any evidence presented by prosecutors, some media reports persist in referring to them as “snuff murders” that were filmed, with the film to be sold in underground sex markets. The rumor first began when a woman testified that Douglas had once tried to lure her into helping him set up a “snuff” film.
Scott Campbell, Mickey Thompson’s nephew, was murdered and thrown from an airplane off the Orange County coast. They were convicted based upon their statements -which was the only evidence prosecutors had- that they had made to undercover cops. As far as I know Scott Campbell’s body has never been recovered.
Here’s a link to an article about Scott Campbell’s murder:
http://articles.latimes.com/1989-12-21/local/me-1113_1_scott-campbell
Probable cause to arrest requires a much less standard of proof compared with proof required to convict. Statements and statements alone are sufficient to not only establish probable cause to arrest but to convict as well. The single best source of the concept of statements as probable cause is found in the California Peace Officers Legal Sourcebook. However, there are plethora articles on the ‘net that explicate statements of victims, witnesses, informants, and suspects as sufficient for establishing probable cause to arrest. Here is one: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/when-is-an-arrest-a-legal-arrest.html
I have cut ‘n’ pasted the following from the above linked article:
“Probable cause can be based on information derived from witnesses, victims and informants.”
The concept to retain is that statements and statements alone are not only sufficient to establish probable cause, the can be used as courtroom proof necessary to convict.
R
Statements against penal interests are statements of suspects that inculpate them. They are deemed inherently reliable based upon the legal theory that people do not routinely admit to crimes they have not committed. Hence, statements against penal interest; e.g., admitting to being a prostitute and that her husband is her pimp, are reliable and sufficient to establish probable cause to arrest. Moreover, they can be used to convict.
Here’s a link to a US Supreme Court case affirming the important evidentiary value of statements against penal interest:
http://mpdtrainer.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/todays-supreme-court-opinion/
Fassari was all money in his description of evidence. And he was right in that cops should collect all evidence, including statements, because cops have no way of knowing what will be admitted into evidence in court. If you have read Devallis Rutledge’s article, you’ll know that the burden of proving probable cause is much less than proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
I have had to testify at two 1538.5/995 hearings, motions to suppress and motions to dismiss. We won both. Defendants ofter realize much later that statements that have made to cops have come back to haunt them. Hence, when they realize that their statements will be used as evidence against them, they’ll desperately try to have their statements suppressed.
This is just my guess, but I’d bet that most legal motions in criminal courts stem from the 4th, 5th, & 14th Amendments. Defendants attempt to suppress illegally obtained physical evidence under the 4th Amendment and inadmissible confessions -which are statements- under the 5th Amendment.
Combining Fassari’s post with the Rutledge article, cops who know their jobs and understand legal concepts are in far superior position to perform duties of their jobs. Cops are not lawyers. They have no idea what two lawyers and a judge might decide to admit as courtroom evidence. Cops must confine themselves to determining whether probable cause to arrest exists. And as Rutledge revealed, probable cause can exists where preponderance of evidence does not.
The concept of probable cause to arrest protects cops from exposure to lawsuits stemming from an illegal seizure. The theory is that a cop can arrest a very guilty suspect. But due to happenstance, the suspect is found not guilty at trial. Probable cause to arrest immunizes the arresting cop from a civil suit initiated by the bad guy. But for the concept of probable cause to arrest, it might be inferred that because the defendant was found not guilty, then the cop must have illegally arrested him. Probable cause to arrest insulates cops from such legal maneuvering. Probable cause to arrest has been intentionally defined as proof substantially less than that necessary to convict in order to immunize cops from lawsuits that seek damages for an illegal arrest.
R
ACU,
As far as I know, there is no such school. However were there one, you would want to consider enrolling. I think that you’d have to admit that you have learned valuable information from this thread. Whether you will acknowledge it is another thing entirely.
Let me repeat this advice for you: if you’re gonna do bandwagon riding, you ought to first make sure you’re on the right one lest you find yourself up Shit River heading for BFE.
Ron White is a funny dude.
Adios Hombre,
R
Finally, indulge my recommendation. The California Peace Officers Legal Source Book is the single best source of law enforcement knowledge to which I have ever been exposed. I have learned more from it than any other source. In fact, there was a description of a case in it that I have never forgotten. A man walked up to a Colorado cop and admitted to murdering a victim many years earlier. The cop had no idea that a murder had even occurred many years earlier. But he did know statements against penal interests. So he arrested the suspect for murder. As we all know, statements are only useful after prosecution establishes corpus delecti, meaning that a crime has in fact occurred. The theory of burdening the prosecution with proving a crime has in fact occurred is to prevent defendants from being convicted for crimes that have never occurred.
Based solely upon the suspect’s confession, cops were able to establish that he was telling the truth. They were able to research the victim and determined that at one time the victim (I can’t remember if the victim was male or female.) was a live human being. I believe the cops did recover the body. The cops were able to prove that the victim had in fact been murdered. The cops used the suspect’s statements to tie him to the murder. After the prosecutor proved that a murder had in fact occurred, the defendant’s statements alone convicted him.
The next best source of law enforcement knowledge I have experienced is from Devallis Rutledge. He’s a former cop, which obviously provides valuable insight into the role of cops in the criminal justice system. While he was prosecuting felonies for the OCDA’s office, he would often teach advanced criminal law and criminal procedure at AOT courses. I would highly recommend attending any and all courses he teaches.
Finally, Dr. Al Valdez, a former OCDA investigator and nationally recognized gang expert who has testified as expert witness throughout our country, is an excellent source of gang knowledge. And he’s genuinely a great guy. He was always available for cops. He’d willingly sit down with any cop, share coffee, and help her/him by providing knowledge of gangs. He has authored a series of books. I’m not sure, but I believe he might now be a university professor, but I won’t bet on it. But I will bet that were you to walk up to him and introduce yourself, he’d treat you like a million bucks.
Adios,
R
Anon,
You posted this: “One more thing, I hope your wife calls again, accuses you of a crime, and you get arrested based solely on your wifes statement. Then maybe then you will see how stupid you sound…..”
Apparently you do not know your own agency’s policies. When we first moved to SB country, my ex made friends with another couple. The couple did not get along. One evening the husband slammed a door on his wife’s arm. There were no witnesses. She called SBSO, and then my wife. I was 10-8 at the time. My ex called me at work told me what had happened. She asked me what could be predicted. I told my ex that her friend’s husband was going to jail. My ex’s friend told my ex that she didn’t what her husband arrested, she merely wanted him out of the house. I explained to my wife that what the victim desired was insignificant. If she was a victim of CPS 273.5.(a), and she suffered a traumatic injury however minor as defined by CPC 273.5.(c), her husband was going to jail.
Deputies arrived on scene. The husband had fled. She told the deputies that she did not want him arrested. Unfortunately for the victim, her desire was not an element of 273.5. A victim’s desires are immaterial in determining whether any crime was committed. The victim complained of a minor traumatic injury thereby satisfying the elements of CPC 273.5.
A few hours later deputies returned to the victim’s home. The suspect was present. Over the objections of the victim, deputies arrested him based upon her statements alone.
Anon, you might want to get up to speed with your agency’s policies. Would you kiss of a 664-187 if a victim told you that a suspect fired a shot at his head and missed and you had no other evidence other than the victim’s statements?
What is so sad to me is that purportedly SBSO deputies go to ridiculous extremes in order to defend what is in fact dereliction of duty.
Anon, you really need to subscribe to the California Peace Officers Legal Source Book.
Adios,
R
Raisuli
In the above case it appears that you are saying that if someone told me that another person fired a shot at him and there is no other evidence, bullet casing, expended round, gun powder residue or independent statement from another, that the person who allegedly fired the shot should be arrested.
Now once arrested what do you feel the chances are that the District Attorney’s office would file the charges?
I guess in “R” land, all he cares about is the arrest. Who cares if the person can actually be tried and convicted. He subscribes to the “He might beat the rap, but can’t beat the ride” theory. What a fool
Anonymous,
When you resort to the arguing tactic of extremism, you destroy your credibility, not that you have much left.
Nowhere have I ever written that an arrest should not result in a successful prosecution. However, I have written that prosecution is beyond legal authority of cops. Practicing law w/o a license is a misdemeanor.
Anonymous, thoroughly know and practice your role within the CJS, and you’ll be good to go.
Adios,
R
Hi Senor Blogger,
Maybe you have missed my point. What a DDA does with the case is beyond our control. If s/he feels that the jury or judge in a court trial will believe the victim, then s/he’ll probably decide to prosecute. But that’s not our call.
If the victim is credible and there is no reason for my doubting the veracity of her/his statements, the suspect goes to jail. Keeping in mind that statements alone are sufficient to support PC for arrest as was supported in one of my posts, credible statements of the victim that 664/187 was committed and that the suspect committed it is all I’ll need to establish PC for arrest.
This was taken from the Devallis Rutledge article that is linked in one of my above posts:
“Innocence of the charge is largely irrelevant to [the question of the existence of probable cause]. The Constitution does not guarantee that only the guilty will be arrested.” (Baker v. McCollum)
Cops are primarily commissioned to assuring justice is done. After a thorough and conscientious investigation of the alleged 664/187 (All crimes are alleged until guilt it proved.) were the following met (again, taken from Rutledge’s article):
“PC is much less than “clear and convincing” proof, which is the higher standard that must be met as to certain legal rulings, such as whether jury challenges were improperly based on group bias.
PC is less than a “preponderance of the evidence” (meaning 50 percent-plus), which is the plaintiff’s burden of proof to win a civil case.”
the suspect goes to jail.
Remember, Senor Blogger, we are commissioned to practicing law enforcement. Cops have no legal authority to assume role of lawyers. If PC to arrest attaches, we’re good to go. We have no control over what a lawyer might decide to do with any case.
Now let me ask you a question: under the same scenario, you have PC to arrest the suspect, but you also know that a DDA will never file. Would you not arrest a suspect for CPC 664/187 for whom PC for arrest exists because you believe a DDA will not file?
Senor Blogger. I know that I know the answer. You’d book the suspect in a New York second. You do seen to me to have been a conscientious cop.
Adios Hombre,
R
Senor Blogger,
The concept under review is whether credible statements of parties to a crime support PC for arrest. As has been established, they do. So in felonies and a few misdemeanors, the concept remains constant. If credible statements proving a felony was committed and statements tie the suspect to the crime, you’re good to go. Felony alleged is immaterial. The concept of statements establishing PC for arrest is.
Adios Hombre,
R
I am tiring of this thread, but I will add on more thing -
“Officer’s Discretion” – The ONLY time an arrest is ‘mandated’ by law is when ordered by a Judge (aka Warrant – Even that has primarily gone by the wayside, with minimum bail limits for bookings). Any exceptions to this are due to Agency policy (273.5, DUI, etc).
For 32 years “I” decided when someone went to jail. I have NOT made an arrest many times. I had my guys cut a father loose, on a boating manslaughter case, (when the father had sober relatives to care for him) so he could check on his comatose daughter and make arrangements for his dead wife. I seldom arrested accused 288 suspects, in custody dispute situations (nothing pissed me off more then false accusations of child abuse in custody situations). I did insure THOROUGH investigations were completed and the cases were submitted to the DA.
Just because you ‘can’ arrest someone, doesn’t always make it the ‘right’ thing to do.
OKAY, R, AKA xxxxxxxxx former Orange County So Deputy, who only seemed to work Laguna Beach, Ca so far back in the day, carrier pigeons might still have been used to communicate with the station. Maybe you got to use the first ever Motorola two-way radio. Unknown for sure, and no one cares.
Thank you for taking up all the bandwidth and spending hours typing all that you did, again repeating what you have said several hundred times before.
I would have rather heard by name and case number all the high profile arrests you have made in the day. At least in doing so we could read for ourselves, and determine how smart you were by the transcripts of the trial. Hopefully catching acolades now and again when the judge patted you on the back for an outstanding job you did.
I was really hoping to hear how many bad guys you shot up when you were on the job. But I doubt many beach goers are packing 44 mags in their fashionable superman swimming trunks.
Okay Tom, I am on the bandwagon. JUST me, I roll solo to a TURD with a TUDE call out here in RED NECK county. My brain power is limited compared to yours, but you want to compare manhood by size, I am game.
I am going to ask a friend who knows Deputy Cheesman personally, the one you have trashed more than once to get her side of this story about you and your ex. If I could get a copy of the report, I PDF file it to this blog and let the other dumb deputies read it.
We will see where that goes if I can make the connection.
Since you cannot take a hint, and with your vast common sense you protray to even back off a little when you begin to annoy some who have no horse in the race itself, actually speaks volumn to your street savy.
Now outside your Phd knowledge of the law, shut up for once.
And no I would not take one of your classes. I’ll bet my life I have taken care of business on accident just sitting near Winchell’s, than you have while hunting the white sand beaches of Laguna.
ACU,
I am very disappointed that you would violate my trust. I guess I had underestimated your honor and character. Hell, I wouldn’t even given up an informant. Here you’re writing about all the backstabbing going on in SBSO, and you turn out to be one. You know the bromide about the one protesting the loudest…
ACU, what you might or might not have done as a cop has no influence on this thread. This thread was originally about incompetent cops and their abilities to achieve rank. Incompetence was contrasted with actual facts. Why you were unable to discern the obvious is beyond me. Kenny, there was no need for you to personally attack me.
You unjustly attacked me instead of my argument. I thought you were above such a juvenile tactic.
Somehow or another you have missed the point. Or you have intentionally twisted it to suit your needs.
I’ll go you one better. Arrange a meeting with Cheeseman and we’ll sit down and talk.
Take care,
R
Fassari,
Discretion is any career is an indicator of professionalism. I do agree that cops must have as much discretion as possible in resolving their calls. But it seems as though law enforcement agencies are moving in the direction of stripping officers of discretion.
Take care,
R
“R”
Moron, your truly a tool. I can’t believe you have absolutely no experience. Only an idiot with no experience would ask how a pimp would get paid before the transaction. Let me suggest something to you. Go on a couple “ride a longs” beach cop. Your obvious choice to work Laguna Beach instead on Stanton proves what a worthless dime you are. Get your face out of the books, try some application in the real world you “no load”.
P.S. Write all the novels you want, your not worth the time, I think your 5150WIC
Wow, ACU… Glad to see you finally felt the need to kick that windbag in the ass.
And “R”, what did trust did he violate? Because he used your name? You signed one of your posts “Tom” a while back (go ahead and check, we’ll wait), and have dropped enough hints about your former (alleged) employer that it was obvious where you (allegedly) worked…
So now, unless you have something new or important (to anyone other than yourself) to add, kindly shut the hell up.
Gracias.
“R” Seems like more than ACU has dirt on you…… Probably explains why your such a chump and choose not say where your from and who you are on your own……
Raisuli,
I have learned so much from you over the last few months. I would like for you to give an old Navy guy a quick lesson. What is a Vexatious litigant? How does Vexatious litigation work? What does someone have to do to be labled as such a person? How frivolous must there lawsuits be to be labled as such? How meritless must their court actions be in order to be placed on that type of list?
Now, having asked such a question of you Sir, I will say this:
According to US Naval Warfare regulations and maritime rules of engagement, warning shots are never required. However, as a COURTESY among Officers and Gentleman, a Captain will fire a shot across the bow of a weaker, non or less formidable vessel.
As in, when you were a kid and got into fist fights on the playground and said, “Uncle” and gave up, after the warning shot came across the bow of the weaker ship, it is also customary on the high sea’s to flash a light of some sorts(out of respect) before turning your ship around and leaving the fight.
You Sir, have a Destroyer Class vessel bareing down on your homemade raft. The above question was your non required, out of courtesy, warning shot across your bow. Now out of respect, as a Gentleman, simply type the word “Uncle” (flash your little light) in your reply and politely turn your raft around and fade off into the sunset. I never want to see or hear from you again.
The alternative is the truth. The truth about you and who and what you are. Information that you and you alone have provided on this blog. With a little bit of time and with the help of a simple google search or two. We both know how humiliating that would be for you.
The next move would be yours Sir. You have been a worthy advisary, say “Uncle” and go away.
ACU and I had a very cordial conversation tonight. We discussed our differences as men who respect each other. I now have a greater understanding of where he’s coming from. There are times when anger is justified. His certainly appears to be justified. And once again, I lauded his dedication to exposing corruption.
“When government fears is citizens, there’s liberty. When citizens fear their government, there’s tyranny.”
***Thomas Jefferson***
In the movie, “The Wind and the Lion” from which I took my pseudonym, there’s a great scene in which President Teddy Roosevelt explained to his daughter that leaders sometimes have to travel where others fear to go. It appears that there is no path that ACU fears. I wish ACU well as he travels along his path.
Adios,
R
Anon,
If you think you have dirt on me, don’t threaten me. Post it. Let’s see what you think you have.
Adios,
R
“R”
XXXXXXX
San Benardino Superior Court
xxxxxxx
07/14/11
Does this ring a bell for starters? Don’t throw rocks from glass houses bud…… Just a friendly shot over the bow……. Now take a chill pill
“R”
I warned you
“R”
cotobuzz………….Hmmmmmmm
I love having a P.I. license……
I will leave it there for now……………
Stay Safe
“R”
Oh one more thing, FONTANA SCHOOL DISTRICT.. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I hate to beat a dead horse, but I took this link off Google this morning. If you keep in mind the concept of statements constituting probable cause to arrest and proof necessary to establish corpus of a crime and proof necessary to convict, this case will illustrate it. It’s a stale 261.5 case. Assuredly there is no physical evidence. Assuredly the only evidence the Redlands cops have is her statements that she was violated by her teacher. I am sure it will come down to who the jury or judge in a court trial believes: http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_20167503/san-gorgonio-hs-band-teacher-held-student-sex
I hope this helps, maybe not.
Adios,
R
Blase’,
I have no know knowledge of Fontana School District.
Were you warning me, or threatening me, or possibly extorting me?
R
Blase’,
Just a word to the wise, that’s all. Were a cop use his ability to access NCIC & CII for personal reasons, it would be a misdemeanor. I have known cops who were audited by CA DOJ for accessing CII.
Blase’, I used to be a licensed PI. I did defense work for a short while. It literally sickened me to work for cooks that I would have rather arrested. So as soon as I was able, I got another cop job. The point is, I know sources of info available to PI’s and sources of info available to sworn law enforcement.
I’m sure you the get point.
BTW, with CII, is CA DOJ that investigates criminal access to the CII database.
If this helps you, not only have I never been arrested, I have never even been a suspect in any crime.
Blase’, maybe this might help you, maybe not. In academy oh so many decades ago, I was taught to never threaten anyone. Either you do what you’re legally able or say nothing. Only the weak threaten; meaning that only those who have no legal authority to act threaten. Those who have legal authority to act do not have to threaten. They act!
Hasta Luego,
R
Rumor has it there was a big blow up between Executive Staff members over these latest promotions and Chief Ortiz as well as Captain Lascala suddenly retired last night.
Good Lord, here we go again. Now instead of beating 422 into the ground, now R is going to teach us all about extortion! Thanks a lot Blase!!
Sgt, did I ever tell you that your timing on scandal and rumor is second to none???
Thank YOU as always!!!
Freakin Blase, shots fired dude when I find you!!
“R”
You are the biggest nincompoop. Actually idiot not only were you accused, but you were convicted……Since you like to post so much I got one for ya.
Crime or public offense is an act committed or omitted in
violation of a law forbidding or commanding it, and to which is
annexed, upon conviction, either of the following punishments:
1. Death;
2. Imprisonment;
3. Fine;
4. Removal from office; or,
5. Disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust,
or profit in this State.
You moron should know what I am getting at. Second, I don’t make threats, threats are what you make. You being one who does not have the will, drive, or capability to follow through.
Sharon, god bless her, has chose to protect you. Keeping your name out of public domain, this public domain, does not prevent it from being blasted in other places. I gave you a warning, I tried to get you to agree to disagree, but your too stupid to get the hint. Now your accusing me of violating the laws using data bases. This just goes to show exactly why YOU can’t even have UNSUPERVISED visitations. Its not the system, ITS YOU MORON. Your so thick headed and ignorant you don’t know when to STFU. Your everybody is beneath you attitude is exactly why you are where you are today. Home, alone, no career, no wife, no kids, unable to see them without a professional supervising, unable to go to court because you are on a list so few are on you will never see the light again. I mean really, how big of an idiot are you to be black balled from court? You love to give advice, but refuse to take any. It is evident why your life is so meaningless. You really should seek professional help. I could only imagine what it’s like to lose a career, a wife, my kids, my money, my friends, and be placed in a black book with the names of people who are never seen again.
I said it before, but this time I mean it, I feel sorry for you, your pathetic, all alone, living in Wrightwood amongst the trees who don’t even want to listen to you anymore…….
Try playing leap frog on Hwy2
Not trying to protect him, but he says his daughter will be put in danger, and I will take his word for it.
Sgt, please keep us updated on this rumor. From a personal standpoint no loss on either individual, as both were players of the regime, especially LaScala.
But as we know even players get tired of BS.
Yes Mam’, thank you, I misspoke. The readers will clearly see through that smoke screen he put up. Nobody, for any reason WHATSOEVER has made even the slightest comment which one REASONABLY would take as a threat towards either of his kids. I do however appreciate YOU respecting his request…………
Now YOU need to take care of YOU and accept that ride!!!!!!!!!! LoL
Blase’
Let me repeat myself: I have never even been a suspect in any crime let alone convicted of one. Be extremely careful of impugning one’s reputation.
If you have proof that I have ever been convicted of any crime, or even a suspect in one, post it. But were I you, I’d assure you have the right guy. I might not be who you think I am.
I will be back in court on March 29, 2012. Know what you’re talking about before sitting in front of your computer.
And if you’re so wise, what’s your Fontana School District thing you have going on? Where is God’s name did you get any info linking me to that school district?
Make sure you read the corruption in divorce thread before you post what you think you know. Everything you’ll want to know will be posted there. And I welcome you to catch me in a single lie.
Finally, Blase’, I have never accused you of committing a crime. I merely gave you sage advice.
Blase’, the only way you’d know if I have been convicted of a crime, and I will flatly guarantee you I have not, was to run me. And if you did run me, it would have been an illegal access to a data base.
R
Hi Administrator,
As you read divorce corruption, you’ll understand why I must protect the identity of my daughter.
Thanks,
R
Blase’,
Post on this thread any crime of which you think I was convicted.
R
There’s a right by Raisuli ……..and a body shot by Blase………swing and miss by Raisuli…..another right by Blase….And Anonymous comes out of no where and plants one to the head…….
Blase’,
The reason I know that you did not run me through CII & NCIC is because if you had you would know that I have never been suspected, arrested, or convicted of any crime. Period!
Hopefully your law enforcement investigations are more professional than the lie you have attempted to pawn off about me.
R
Blase’,
I would never expect anyone here to threaten my kid. However, I do not want what my kid was forced to endure to become known to her friends.
Does this make sense to you?
Let me make this request of you again. Please read divorce corruption. If you do, you’ll understand. I was naive. I never, ever thought that what happened to my daughter and me would have ever been possible. Save yourself a lot of intense heartache. It’s always better to learn from others’ mistakes than through your mistakes. And believe me, I made a lot of them within an extremely corrupt system.
One of your fellow deputies, an extremely squared away dude, told me that in family law, the best liar wins. That fact put me at a grave disadvantage because I refused to lie. And I never will. I will fight for my child within the law. I would be crushed were my kids to think that their dad is a liar.
R
Blase’,
We finally touched base today. They are supposed to call me again in the morning. I will keep you posted.
ACU, “But as we know even players get tired of BS.”
I think that I exactly what happened with Ortiz. From what I understand, he has been going around to all the valley stations, which is his region, and speaking with all the sworn personnel for the past few months. Now this may be a fishing session, it may also be because he doesn’t everyone. I don’t know what kind of past you have had with him but he has always seemed respectful to me. I think he may have heard more than one deputy lay it out for him and he probably started realizing how screwed up we really are as a whole. Knowing how he is, he probably went to the Executive Staff and tried to rectify a few things. There was no having it so he left, along with a few others recently who I know for a fact left under bad terms with Hoops; Captain and above I mean. I just wish all of these “disgruntled” command staff would step up, grow a pair, and lay it all out there either on this blog or a newspaper or something. What do they have to lose now? Where is Nicassio now that he is retired? He was blogging on here for a bit.
Awesome, I look forward to hearing how it goes…..
“R”
I am so over your pathetic b.s……………. And actually, idiot, something as small as a traffic violation is a public offense, aka CRIME, which results in a what, a FINE. I know, big brain, it’s too small of a concept for you too understand. I know this. 1) I am not a divorced whining baby LIKE YOU 2) I am not a vexatious litigant LIKE YOU 3) I don’t need a paid professional to see my kid LIKE YOU 4) I haven’t had so much as a traffic citation LIKE YOU 5) I haven’t lost in civil court and had to pay an ex $2121.21 LIKE YOU ……….. Do yourself a favor, tap out, or just GO AWAY…….
Justcurious, thanks for the assist……
Senor Blogger, sorry, THANK YOU for the play by play and assist…….LoL
Blase’,
I have given serious consideration to your posts and possible motivation for them I was going to refrain from posting this, but sometimes words left unwritten become lost opportunities to enlighten. Blasé’, you desperately need enlightenment.
I know you’re friends with ACU, and apparently you’re pretty tight with Administrator. Your relationships with them have nothing to do with what I am about to write. What I am about to write is your lack of honor and character. ACU has told me that you have “…huge balls,” meaning that you’ll defend what you believe to be right. However, defending what you believe to be right and defending what is in fact right are unrelated concepts. If you’re going to risk your honor and character, you damned well ought to assure you’re right.
You have exposed yourself to be lacking basic law enforcement knowledge. You had no clue of when a crime was committed as per definition. Yet you were willing to go to the mat to defend being wrong. Instead of seizing opportunity to learn, you responded like a thug. You might well be a corrupt deputy yourself, exposure of which seems to the the overarching theme of this blog. If corruption is the overarching theme of this blog, you might wind up being a topic.
You have a propensity for pushing your weight around, assuredly symptomatic of an inferiority complex. You appear to be burned out and disgruntled, probably because you have watched others get promoted before you. You are probably pissed off that you’re still pushing a sled, yet you refuse to acknowledge that you’re probably the cause of your own problems. You assuredly have rationalized others’ promotions before you as evidence of corruption. Now it might be true that some within your department have been promoted due to reasons unrelated to merit. But to extrapolate such an assumption -and to me it is an assumption because I have possession of no actual facts to support such a conclusion- to your deserving promotion lacks inferential reasoning. Based solely upon what your have posted here, you are not Phi Beta Kappa material. You are a thug who will resort to threats of violence if you do not get your way no matter how wrong you are.
Blase’, you are a loose cannon. You are destroying your credibility. I’d guess that SBSO is building a jacket on you preparatory to terminating you. And if this is indeed the case -it’s merely an assumption- you lack honor and character to admit that should you be fired that you would be causal of it. In essence, Blasé’, you are assuredly the cause of your own problems.
Blase’, this is factual: you work for the sheriff. He does not work for you. As his deputy, you will do what he tells you. This arrangement is the essence of employment. Now I have read many rumors of corruption within the sheriff’s office, including rumors that the sheriff is corrupt. Now he might be, but no conclusion can be reached based upon rumor. As a cop, you ought to know that conclusions must be based upon facts. ACU has told me that he has actual facts supporting a conclusion of corruption. I have no reason to doubt him. Blasé, reasonable and logical people know that rumors are not foundational of knowledge. Facts are. As a cop, you ought to know this is true.
Blase’, I used to have a forensic science professor who used to tell his students that every effort possible must be made to gather all possible evidence before reaching a conclusion. The implication was that what might appear to an innocuous piece of evidence might refute a conclusion that was based upon accumulation of all other evidence.
Blase’, law enforcement is a fact-based profession. Your attempts to obfuscate your abject lack of law enforcement knowledge with extraneous criteria such as how tough you are do not replace knowledge necessary for becoming an authentically good cop. Your “ball size” has no application to law enforcement ability. Knowledge does. You already have gone out of your way to prove that you had no idea of when a crime occurs. Recently you’ve posted the definition of a crime and alleged it applies to me. Worse, you have libeled me by declaring in written words that I have committed a crime. Again, you have gone out of your way to prove your lack of law enforcement, reasoning ability, and logic.
Blase’, I am honorably retired. I hold a CPC 12027 endorsement and HR 218. Blasé’, instead of spewing garbage, try thinking. Ponder this obvious question: if Raisuli has been convicted of any crime, wouldn’t the agency from which he was issued ability to carry a gun anywhere the American flag flies recall his credentials? In other words, Blasé, how would it be possible for me to have been convicted of a crime yet be able to retain my credentials? Blasé, think before you libel. It might just save you money. You ought to consider yourself fortunate that I am not a litigious guy.
A truism in life is that for the most part people cause their own problems. Blasé, if you’re the cop you desperately want others to believe you are, you ought to know that criminals you have arrested have caused their problems. God knows, I have cause many of my problems. However, I am wise enough to know and understand the problems I have caused for myself. You are causing your own problems. If SBSO is building a jacket on you and you find yourself on public assistance, will it be the result of corruption or your stupidity? Blasé, unless you’re committed to driving a unit among sagebrush until you retire, you might what to conduct a self-assessment. Ask yourself this simple question: were I sheriff would I promote a deputy like me?
Blase’, I don’t care about how much a hunter you are. To me it means nothing. I do care about law enforcement knowledge and ability to use reason and logic to deduce criminality. Telling me how many years you might have driven a unit does not imply competence. I am not impressed that you have to respond to calls in gang invested areas. That is your job. What would impress me is combining law enforcement knowledge with reason and knowledge to detect and solve crimes. A rookie can do that.
Blase’, let me give you some desperately needed advice. Be careful of what you post here. It might just come back to haunt you. My brother told me many years ago that prior threats of violence can be introduced into court in order to prove the truth of the matter. Blasé, because I think you’re a thug who has substituted threats of violence for intellectualism, I do believe that you are capable of committing an illegal act against my person. Should you conspire with another cop to violate my civil rights, that would place you in jeopardy of action under 18 USC 241. If you act alone, it would place you in jeopardy of action under CPC 149. Proving such a crime would be easy. All any prosecutor would have to do is serve a search warrant on Administrator’s blog. Hence, your being a loose cannon is placing Administrator in jeopardy.
Now, Blasé, it’s time to walk the talk. You have been demanding that I reveal my identity. Why haven’t you abided by your standards? Blasé, show us your “huge balls” and divulge your true identity. Being the tough guy that you think you are, I know your next post will contain your true name.
BTW, Blase’, I am not nor have I ever been a football coach. I sure as hell hope your much more professional in investigating crimes, and that’s assuming that you can figure out elements of a crime.
Blase’, it always much more wise to stop while you’re behind.
If you want to know who I am, I’m willing to meet ACU and you for a cup of coffee. But somehow I do not believe that you’ll accept my offer. You’re good with talk. Let’s see if you can walk.
Blase’, a word to the wise: think before you post. You have no idea how your posts can come back to haunt you. And should that be the case, do you have honor and character necessary to admit that you screwed up as opposed to a chicken excuse of someone being out to get you? Who knows, Blasé, you’re being a loose cannon might accord us ability to learn your true character.
R
Welcome back fight fans. During the intermission Anonymous was admonished by the referee (ACU) not to take any shots at Raisuli while he was sparing with Blasé. Anonymous replied “Why not I want a piece of that old man”. The referee told him that he would have to set up his own match with Raisuli as he would not tolerate any two on one action. Anonymous was last seen heading for the administrator’s office to schedule his own match with Raisuli.
Checking the score cards after the last round we have it 10, 9, 10 in favor of Blasé. Talking to the judges they advised us that they would give Raisuli an extra point for endurance after noting the long posts he has been submitting as of late.
Looking in Blasés’ corner it appears that he is fresh and can’t wait for the next round to start. He was overheard calling Raisuli out saying “You aren’t crap old man, bring it on”.
Raisuli looked a little tired but seemed okay and was heard yelling back at Blasé “Yea well you don’t know crap junior wait until the next round”.
Things could start to get interesting if Raisuli starts to get some sleep at nights and comes out refreshed for the next round.
We will now break for a commercial and will be right back for the start of round 2 scheduled to go 10.
Senor Blogger,
I appreciate your sense of humor. But you have given me too much credit. I couldn’t box candy. Way before my seventh orthopedic surgery I learned that the bigger they are the harder they hit. And I ain’t sure I can handle much more pain. I wouldn’t put gloves to wash dishes let alone get my clocked cleaned. The days of Muhammad Al Raisuli in a ring were over before they began!
You are right though, about not sleeping. For those of us who live in chronic pain, there are long intervals between nights of restful sleep. Throw in a vicious custody battle in which your abused child was awarded to her abuser, and I sleep when I can.
You do remind me of the day when cop work was a fun, when every shift was full of practical jokes, when nothing was off limits if it was good for a laugh, when we could go 10-8 and do what the hell we wanted because we were trusted, when no one would have conceived of a brother officer shanking another in the back, when cops would bend over backwards to help out other cops, when what happened in the family stayed within the family, a day us old schoolers fondly remember but realize are as gone as a Model 15.
How many more bouts do you have scheduled before the main event? Who’s doin’ the main event throw down?
Have you considered changing your moniker to Senor Don King?
Adios Hombre,
R
Sgt, interesting on the Ortiz issue, I heard this samething you just said from someone earlier today. I have said maybe a half dozen words to Ortiz over the years. No issues with him.
I heard there were a few promotions also, that will be effective soon. Some of those names I heard had me shaking my head.
Hopefully someone out there who has the memo will send it to the Administator so she can post if up for some us to get a good laugh, or talk trash.
Other than those being promoted and jumping for joy, I hear morale is at the bottom of the toilet.
If your following the scandals over at LASD seems more than a few higher ups are coming out of the cracks to call BS on Baca. I just read today where a retired Lt. is suing LASD for some criminal stuff out of the AERO division.
Raisuli
You need to take your own advice. All the wisdom you are dispensing to us needs to be employed by you. You have got to be the biggest crybaby on this blog. Everyone else is always at fault and you are always right. The ex-wife is wrong, the kids are wrong, Chessman is wrong, ACU is wrong, blasé is wrong, senior blogger is wrong, the judge is wrong, divorce court is wrong, SBSD is wrong and you are the only one who is right. You need to pick the log out of your own eye before you try to tell others they have a splinter in theirs. You have a mental problem and sound like you have been hitting the pipe.
The one who has been exposed as a fraud with no credibility is you Raisuli. The broke down pickle suit from Orange County Sheriff wants to throw down. OCSD is the laughing stock of law enforcement in California. That has got to be the weakest department ever. And let’s see your former sheriff is in federal prison for corruption. Remember good old Mike Carona. Yes your sheriff who never worked a day on patrol. Probably just like you. Talk about hiring unqualified people, he hired a lawyer friend as the number 2 and his mistress. Oh yea how about all the deputies who were caught sleeping and playing video games at your jails. Oh yea how about your sergeant who was taking his girlfriend on joy rides in your helicopter. You have a lot of gall saying what you have about SBSD when you worked for the most corrupt organizations in the state. No wonder you were pissed when ACU said who you worked for.
No wonder you never wanted to say who you worked for! You are ashamed of who you worked for and you should be. But most of all you are a fraud. Get a life.
I’m enjoying this one!!!…lol
Senor Blogger,
My stomach hurts from laughing…….I needed that……I will leave it up to the score cards
Stay Safe
comeonman,
I have never worked for Mike Carona.
As far as the range County Sheriff’s Office is concerned, it has solved many high profile cases. Russ Elsner, an homicide sergeant, solved the Night Stalker case with the aid of that agency’s forensic sciences division.
R
comeoneman,
BTW, isn’t one of your former sheriffs in federal prison for something to do with firearms violations?
R
No. No one in prison (or Jail for that matter), and BS allegations to begin with.
SBSD got ‘Willie Boy’ eons ago, and Billy Arthur (plus several others) solved the Kevin Cooper case with the aid of that Departments Scientific Investigations Division. So there!
I have to add, SBSD took down the largest meth lab(s) in the country, ran the largest S&R operations, is the largest (geographic) county in the country, coverages the most sq mile with the fewest deputies, has/had cutting edge Aviation and Marine units, handled Cal Jam and Olympic venues w/o incident, etc. For years SBSD was a trend setter. I left wealthy area LA Co. Agency to come to “The Cowboy County” because they were right up there with the best. I don’t like some of the things going on but I’m still proud to have been part of SBSD!
Welcome back fight fans hope you all enjoyed the Larry Parker commercial. It seems that during the commercial break Blasé manager (Anonymous) attempted to file a complaint with the referee (ACU) with regards to Raisuli head butting. Raisuli’s manager (Little Stevie Wonder) immediately entered the ring to explain what was happening.
It seems that Raisuli has a much larger “Doom” than SBSO deputies and that is because he uses it to store his exceptionally large brain that contains a vast amount of knowledge. Because Blasé is a SBSO deputy his “Doom” just appears to be smaller than Raisuli thus causing the confusion.
The referee conferred with the Administrator and came to the conclusion that no points would be taken away from Raisuli.
Raisuli immediately filed a counter complaint with the referee stating that Blasé was hitting below the belt when he attempted to front him off by posting his true identity and work agency. Again the referee conferred with the Administrator. The Administrator stated that no harm came to Raisuli as she had X’ed his name from the posting. As far as posting his agency goes she stated that Blasé has the right to now attack Raisuli’s prior agency with true and accurate facts.
Prior to the start of our next round Raisuli shouted across the ring “Now who’s your daddy punk”?
Blasé shouted back “It’s not you old man your old enough to be my fricking grandpa”.
Things are starting to heat up between these two worthy opponents and things could become very interesting. Only time will tell.
OMG that is awesomely hilarious…..LMFAO
You Rock Senor
Blase’,
You never allow an opportunity to expose your stupidity slip away. My ex stole thousands of dollars from me. SBSO considered 5 counts of CPC 487 to be a civil problem. But then again, SBSO can turn a 187 into a civil problem.
I sued her, based upon 5 counts of CPC 487 that SBSO kissed off, in small claims and won. Get your facts straight.
Read divorce corruption before you assume. I am disclosing facts of my divorce there.
Blase, while I do believe that you will lie, and I know that you’re far from triple digit IQ, read divorce corruption and try to catch me in a single lie.
R
LMAO…it just keeps getting better and better….Hey Comeonman don’t forget about me…I’m wrong too lol
With all that said we still have more corruption going unchecked than any other county. We might be all that and a bag of chips but we are always looked upon by other departments as corrupt. It’s because of the sheriff, U/S, A/S, dep chiefs and a few rotten dep’s. If we could fix that we might be able to be one of the best. No one ever told me SBSD was a trend setter. We are looked on as backwards and living in the 70′s.
Be Safe
Shooting suspects from a Helicopter was pretty bitchin’ one would have to admit…….. I wish we were in the 70′s, believe it or not we would have a lot more fun, less liability, and give those in power then a second chance to think about those idiots they promoted that brought us to where we are now…….
SBCountyBoy how do you know we have more corruption then any other county. Thats assuming and you know what assuming does.
JC, you are right about that. We are probably in the top ten in corruption. Blase’ good point. Frustration has got the best of me when it comes to Hoops, D/C’s, SEBA and so on. It can only get better from here. I guess?
Is McMahon a Brady Cop? Does anyone know? It seem he might be.
Look JC is on this thread too trying to help John McMahon again. Do him a solid and tell him to resign. Worst sheriff ever and in only 3 days. What a goat.
Good question McMahon might be a Brady Cop!
909-blah blah blah…
Anonymous, thank you. I thought McMahon was a Brady Cop and now you have confirmed it. Thank You.