Feb 16thiePolitics: How the heck do you get suspended for 72 days and get promoted too?
Here is the latest for all of you to confirm, deny, or clarify:
- Sgt. Emmons, who has been in trouble so many times that his total number of days of suspension numbers 72, has been promoted to lieutenant.
- Sgt. Manny Mendoza of POST fame has also been promoted.
- There is a big internal investigation going on that we believe has to do with the Major Narcotics Team.
Did I mention that Paul Schrader plans to run again?
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Looks like Big Mama (Deputy Chief Stewart) had her greasy hands all over these promotions. Emmens, Phelps, and Mendoza are all Big Mama’s bitches. They are the biggest brown nosed ass kissers in the entire department. Each has his head so far up her ass they form a giant tri-pod. Meanwhile, true crime fighters continue to get the shaft!
I’m so sick of hearing Paul Schrader for Sheriff. What qualifications does he have to run a large department? How long was he in Law Enforcement? Where did he do his career, and what position did he retire at? What are his beliefs and how is or can he change this department? I agree change needs to happen, but why outside change? Please answer these questions Administrator. I have submitted questions before to be either deleted off the post or the questions answered with other questions which is indicative of lower education. So someone answer these questions?
Circumstances, As to Paul’s qualifications, it is up to him to answer that. As far as your post being deleted, we would not delete a post asking the questions you ask. They are fair questions.
Currently, this blog is not on moderate but a LOT of comments are being held for moderation by the program, not by me. I have not deleted a single comment. However, if your question was put on the old blog where we averaged about 1000 spam comments a day and the system deemed your comment to be spam, it very well could have been deleted without anyone knowing you had made the comment.
Anyway, Paul reads this blog often. I am sure at some point he will answer directly to you or state his qualifications in a general post.
TO: Circumstances.: What are Hoops qualifications? He was appointed then elected, played his way to sheriff and has done a crap job for the county and us deputies.Hoops, Floyd and others played the game to the top. I want to see Paul elected if he runs. Get sick of him, if he runs, he will win. I watched you in the election attack Paul and ask the same crap. You are probably Charbie who has pulled his head out of Hoop’s for a minute to chime in. Stick your head back in and I hope no one else answers you. What has Hoops done for us? Made his brother-in-law head of IA? Pushed the POST crap away. He makes our dept. look like a hodunk dept. Ask the question, what are Hoops qualifications and what has he done? I googled Paul and found everything about him on the net. You are a fraud and an ass. I work at RC station Charbie come by and see us that will vote for him.
SBCountyBoy Charbie has never used another name to post so I doubt its him. If this county is so bad leave. Rancho explains a lot
Circumstances,
SBSO is not working as it’s currently administered. The norm is deputies who haven’t a clue of law enforcement. As is evidenced by alleged deputies posting here, many don’t know basic law enforcement and substantive & adjective law. Deputies don’t know basic evidence; e.g, statements are evidence that support probable cause to arrest. Many deputies are good for practicing law without a license. Deputies are only empowered to determine whether probable cause for arrest exists. They cannot consider what a lawyer might do with the alleged crime. Still another insists he’s able to insert elements into the penal code.
Most deputies are derelict, certainly out of ignorance. One proudly posted that he’d kiss of serious felonies; .i.e., robbery, if the victim were a dirt bag. Apparently no one has ever exposed this neophyte that most crime victims are dirt bags, but there is no element of any crime that negates that crime if the victim is a dirt bag. He defended his dereliction of duty by citing some nebulous concept of kicking a box. His job is not to kick anything but to assure justice is done. Exacerbating these example of gross dereliction of duty -kissing off felonies is the definition of gross dereliction of duty- is the hubris of these deputies: they’ll insist they’re right no matter how arduously they endeavor to rationalize bad behavior.
SBSO is in dire need of a blood transfusion. It needs a COP from without to whip it into shape of an authentic law enforcement agency. Were I a part of SBSO, I’d be interviewing candidates from other agencies for recruitment to run for sheriff. I’m sure there are qualified candidates from Ontario & SBPD who’d fit the bill. But I wouldn’t limit my search to SB county. The new sheriff would have to initiate a program of intense remedial training with the goal of bringing deputies up to speed with law enforcement knowledge & substantive & adjective law. S/he should hire Devallis Rutledge to teach deputies what their job is and that they cannot practice law w/o a license. Deputies should know that they can’t make up their own penal code elements. They should know that a crime is completed when act meets intent. When a crime is reported has no bearing on CPC 20, which defines crime.
If the next sheriff is being groomed from current SBSO ranks, expect more of the same. However, if an authentic cop is recruited to administer the agency, it might be salvaged. But as it is now, I’d much prefer a CHP officer to respond to ANY call for service that I might have. CHP officers don’t kick boxes through sagebrush. They take felons to jail.
I’d hate to see US DOJ take over SBSO, but I can see it happening. As it is now, SBSO deputes become accessories to felonies when they kiss them off.
While a college degree is not required to perform duties of law enforcement, a benefit of a degree is honing one’s reasoning and logic skills, necessary traits for solving crimes. Therefore, SBSO ought to recruit from college campuses. I am not sold on accelerated degrees. Education is a business. Private, accelerate degree programs sell degrees that are all but useless outside of law enforcement. When kids used to ask me what discipline they ought to pursue in college to become a cop I used to advise any hard science, especially computer science, with a minor in accounting. Hard science teaches logic. Accounting also teaches logic with the benefit of solving white collar crimes. Even an English degree is beneficial.
When I pursued an undergrad, criminal justice was all the rage. While it did require reasoning skills and demonstrated understanding of origin and application of law, it was my other undergrad in social science that accorded my marketability in another profession. Both required ability to write cogent, well supported theses. Criminal justice and most other soft sciences are all but useless outside of law enforcement. And I have never known any teacher entering that profession with an online/accelerated degree. School districts want candidates who have graduated from traditional academic institutions. I’ve never heard of anyone securing a job in the private sector with an online/accelerated degree. Always keep in mind that education is a business, even within public universities. Look for WASC accredited schools. Cops should always prepare for careers outside of law enforcement.
Law enforcement requires a broad breadth of knowledge. Cops have to have acute reasoning and logic skills that facilitate solving complex puzzles. They have to know where their job ends and another begins. They have to be able to write cogent reports, which are nothing more of a series of theses that are factually supported. It’s impossible to become proficient in report writing w/o knowing substantive & adjective law. If a cop doesn’t know statements are in fact evidence, s/he’s all but useless and assuredly a detriment to justice. Cops have to know when crimes are committed, and that includes inchoate crimes, and they their responsibility to to abide by legal statutes as legislative written. They are w/o authority to add to or subtract from any legislatively written statute. For a cop to add elements to a crime is nothing more that rationalizing kissing off felonies, which is dereliction of duty.
When I drove a black-and-white, dereliction of duty was a serious transgression that could result in termination, especially if it involved kissing off any felony. Within SBSO, dereliction of duty is the norm that seems to be basis for promotion. This has to change. Competent SBSO deputies do not want to associate with derelict deputies.
Below is a link to an excellent Website that will help those desiring to develop reasoning and logic abilities. I would strongly urge everyone to spend an hour a day on this site: http://www.lumosity.com
Best of Luck,
R
I heard Narcotics/IRNET Captain Guerra, Narcotics/IRNET Lt. Dececio, IRNET Sgt. Boyd, an IRNET detective and an IRNET deputy were transferred out. This is a major cleansing of IRNET and looks like something huge happened in IRNET.
Sgt. Emmens and Sgt. Mendoza and others were promoted to Lt.
Emmens is going to narcotics and gets a huge BYE on the usual custody assignment. That is right folks, no custody assignment for Emmens and he gets a choice position in narcotics!
I can think of one or perhaps two Lt’s that have extensive narcotics experience, college educated and highly qualified that should have the Lt narcotics position and can do the job 1000% better than Emmens. Narcotics needs an experienced Lt not a rookie Lt with a troubled past.
JustCurious is another troll and hater.
TO: Raisuli on February 18, 2012 at 11:15 AM said:
SBSO is not working as it’s currently administered. The norm is deputies who haven’t a clue of law enforcement. As is evidenced by alleged deputies posting here, many don’t know basic law enforcement and substantive & adjective law.
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I work at Rancho and we do our job right, like other agencies we have some turds like Charbie. We do not kiss off franks or reports. We do the right thing. We know that the turds will probably get protection from the sheriff if they are in the car. I met Devallis Rutledge at OCSD and he would be a great teacher to help the deps, sgts and lts that need to be updated on training issues. I want someone like Paul Schrader to come in our dept. and clean the executives out and help us regain honor if thats all he does. He came to Rancho Station and talked to a lots of us deps and some sgts and lts. He said he will change the promotion system and make it none political. We said will no longer get highway thearapy when we screw up and that would make me feel better. Paul said we would have education discipline if we screw up. He also said he would bring back the k9s. Shit that is 3 more things that bald boy has never done or will do. Hoops has only helped his ass kissers and make us look like crap. Hoops has done nothing more with the shitball he was handed but let it stew and stink. We need Paul or someone that will have the balls to do the right thing. It sounds like he has done a hell of a bunch of jobs in LE in the last 30 years. I hope SEBA backs him. They need to hear him if he goes for it. If he runs I hope he posts here.
TO: JustCurious why don’t you eat one fatboy. I will not leave Rancho but I will help Hoops leave and I hope you go with him.
Schrader is a joke. SBCountyBoy sounds just like the lazy court services deputy from LASO. Who knows? P to the third power. Can Paul do math? He knows lazy, so I doubt he knows math.
Paul knows franks and he knows beans. Frank and beans frank and beans. Have you seen my baseball???
“I heard Narcotics/IRNET Captain Guerra, Narcotics/IRNET Lt. Dececio, IRNET Sgt. Boyd, an IRNET detective and an IRNET deputy were transferred out. This is a major cleansing of IRNET and looks like something huge happened in IRNET.”
I believe you are on to something. I smell another cover up coming on.
I love how the Hoops supporters have all but quit defending him and are now simply resorting to attacking his former and possible future opponents. Try and keep up fellas, Hoops was elected and we are stuck at least until next election or he is indicted/steps down. You supported him, let’s hear that support now.
Hi SBCountyBoy,
I am sure that Rancho has the cream of SBSO’s crop. It’s a vital city to SBSO. But for some reason deputies I have had to run across in the Wrightwood area were contented in engaging in malfeasance. One female out of Victorville had the unmitigated audacity of rationalizing her gross incompetence by alleging I was mad because I didn’t get what I wanted. And she was right. What I wanted was justice for a repeatedly abused child. She saw it fit to become an accessory to child abuse and she aided and abetted at least four additional counts of child abuse. She is a danger to children. She ought not only be fired for dereliction of duty, the grand jury ought to take a very close look at her horrible job performance. And she can’t write a report to save her life. Had I been her training officer she’d be stocking Depends in Target. I told her that she is capable of kissing off a 187, and I meant it. She is really that derelict. I have offered to meet her. But she’s declined. She doesn’t even have honor and character to apologize for allowing a frightened little girl to endure continued physical abuse, two counts of which were close enough to torture for government work. But a woman as dumb as she is wouldn’t know honor and character. She only knows kissing off felonies. Hopefully she has learned by now that statements are in fact evidence that can be used to support probable cause for arrest. But maybe not. As Ron White cautioned, you can’t cure stupid.
Stay safe, SBCountyBoy,
R
A good rule of thumb is that the best candidate for sheriff or DA is rarely elected. The rule is that the best politician wins. And best politicians are usually not the best candidates to hold offices. Does anyone really believe Hoops is the best cop in the county? That Ramos is the best attorney in the county? There’re assuredly deputies driving SBSO units who are far superior cops than is Hoops. Are there are assuredly far superior lawyers in the county than is Ramos.
R
Capt Dufus Marinati and Lt days off are going to Narcotics…… Ya, a real cleaning…… A lying POST Scam Capt and Lt Emmons. Are you FUKN KIDDING ME!!!! Hoops Retire!!!!!!
You who are already pounding Schrader, the ones who are going to vote for McMahon?
JustCurious,
I am curious why you don’t leave. How many agencies have declined you? I can imagine your interviews: “Don’t you guys know that statements aren’t evidence? Why there’s even jury instructions I’ve made up that proves I’m right. Honest, I am right, and you know it! No, no one has ever been convicted used upon testimony alone. Ever rape victims must has two witnesses to prove they didn’t consent. Do you guys know law enforcement? Why are you kicking me in the ass out of your door???
Now wonder you’re working SBSO. No other agency would ever take a chance on a dude with a low double digit IQ. It’s either SBSO or a Wally World golf cart for you.
You had better hope a competent sheriff doesn’t take over. Were that to happen, your derelict ass would be making change at a 7-11, using your cell phone’s calculator of course. You and your wife would make great counter clerks filling hotdogs with mustard and all. But even 7-11 counter clerks would be above your Peter Principle. Can you dig a ditch in a straight line? That’s a 180 degree angle for those who don’t know evidence.
R
TO: Hi my Name is Piss Poor Paul, Circumstances, JustCurious (Charbie),
I hope Paul runs and I work at Rancho Charbie if you can bring your fat ass over boy and tell some of us why we should not vote for Schrader if he runs. You must be so intimidated by him to attack him and you don’t know if he is going to run. Same Bitch different names. Paul must scare the hell out of you or you would spend your time doing something positive and not crying about Paul. If he runs and I hope he does, you can shit your pants at that time beoutch. We need a new sheriff and his name is not hoops. He has done enough damage to all of us. Charbie tell me all the good things Rodney has done for us. You can’t. You can’t. Pull your head out and shut up. So you give us the big list your daddy has done for us or fuck off.
I was hopin maybe PPP could tell us why he is going to vote for Johnny Mac? Or someone in the regime. Other that he met them once, and thought he was COOL!!
Hopefully PPP is not on the Lieutenants list and feels the need under an anonymous screen name, to do a little advanced cheerleading.
Hopefully PPP is just a working class cop who has no desire to suck his way to the top or sell his soul to the devil to get there.
Anyone who will continue to support the “good ol boys” is still chasing the carrot and MIGHT have a self serving agenda?
Definately might be a crook at heart, or doesn’t mind someone who is.
Hey ACU I went over the list and I checked it twice and it seems that most of the people promoted were more naughty than nice. So with that in mind what happened to Gina Perez? I think that she may very well have a lawsuit on her hands. Discrimination.
If Emmons can get promoted after tazering another employee in front of witnesses and they do not even interview the witness’s and he walks. Not to mention the 72 days on the beach he has received for his prior conduct.
If Mendoza and Dorsey can both get promoted after conducting the POST investigation and not even conducting interviews the suspects and then have them arrested. I’ve even heard that one reason why Wilke is back to work is because IA interviewed people that saw Wilke at the class’s they said he did not attend. And some of those folks were from other agencies, no reason to lie there. Maybe that’s the reason they put Mendoza with his butt kissing buddy instead of assigning him to the jail to work with Wilke.
Then we have Christina Kirby. I wonder if she had to return all of the furniture she got from the furniture store or are they assigning her to ADC to see if she can get a deal like that on some inmate beds to save the county some money.
I will let you comment on Derek Pederson getting transferred to the academy.
Then we have Matt Schilling getting promoted to Lt. Maybe him and our favorite Detective can celebrate again by taking the “crack ho” to Palm Springs for the weekend. I am sure that his position comes with a county car they can take out there.
And here’s another name for you as I am sure you may have worked with this one over the years, Robyn Real to Sgt. If the young deputies in the jail enjoy their job they had better watch out for that cheese eating, rat, do nothing POS. And the worst thing about that is she is going to be reunited with another cheese eating, rat, has never done nothing POS, Lt Danielle Bolte. Stand by internal affairs you are about to become very busy. It might be to your benefit to just assign an investigator to the jail on a permanent basis.
But that would only be at WVDC don’t assign one to ADC as you might not want to see all of the new furniture coming into there for the Captains office or the new inmate beds. Wink ….. Wink. But then again if you do assign one to ADC he too might be able to get a deal on some office furniture.
TO: AntiCorruptionUnit that is a good question. Why is PPP going to vote for Johnny Mac or Hoops. Tell us Charbie.
Yes R, your correct on what SBSD needs. And I can think of no where else in Southern California where that needs to happen RIGHT now.
But just before Hoops actually retires, he will appoint one of his minions to fill his spot for awhile, just like Penrod did before he retired.
Hoops will seek the support of the BOS in voting his “man” into place until the election. The BOS will simply raise their hands in approval this time, like they have in years past. This system will only get worse if guys like Rick Roelle and James Ramos get on the BOS. GOD help us all.
Many of us have seen this for the last several decades, better than a re-run from Bonanza.
Whoever does attempt to run for office from the “outside” will meet a flurry of INTERNET and newspaper blog attacks. Only god knows what else.
Hoops minions will, or might dig up any dirt they can find on the outside candidate. Much like they tried to do when Postmus and two others ran for their respective seats on the BOS many years ago.
J.Edgar Hoover, and Peter J.Pitchess were not total fools in keeping the many secret files they did on those they didn’t like, or were potential threats to call BS on them. I guess there is a method to such madness.
It’s VERY important for elected officials to have a 3-2 vote from the BOS on anything they want or try to do. Of course if you prosecute a couple of them, you MIGHT just scare the hell out of them enough to raise their hands in favor of you on ANYTHING you want. There seems to be a well established patter of that too.
Watch and see what happens, to whoever “DARE” oppose the regime of corruption.
The cheerleaders for Hoops are all but gone as far as attaching their name in support like Charbie did. I don’t care what you say, I bet he wishes that didn’t happen. Of course he did not suffer any ill effects from managment, but he knows in REALITY that some have distain for his commentary here in the obvious support of Hoops. WE all know the names people attached to you for that.
So now we will see more anonymous bloggers who have no courage to defend their GREAT leaders using their names. And we probably won’t see anyone attaching their names when they attack Hoops.
Fear is a terrible thing, no matter how you slice it. Very difficult to over come.
My First Amendment Rights have been laying around gathering dust, so I thought I would take them out, dust them off and chime in on this sad state of affairs. But before I do, let me make it clear I will not say anything disrespectful about fellow department members and am only offering criticism of a public agency as a citizen and taxpayer. When your budget is around $450M/yr, believe it or not some county residents may have the gall to actually criticize the department. The Colonies scam “only” cost the taxpayer $101M, this mis-managed department has swindled much, much more over the years through politically-motivated promotions, lack of innovation, doing the same thing year after year with the same lame results, etc.
I had to include that disclaimer for a particular DC who feels like commenting here is deserving of a negative personnel report and I’ve heard he obsesses over this blog and does his best to identify contributors. He should realize this is not Syria (yet) and we still have a few rights despite the fact most of us are department members.
Regarding these last round of promotions, there are definitely some surprises, but some are well-deserved. I could never understand the rationale used to advanced certain members. Whether it’s a history of trouble, a lack of general experience or zero education, it always seems very capricious how promotions are made. Seems less like civil service and more like empire building and rewarding loyal, unquestioning devotion. But that’s the way it is and for the most part, always has been. Where’s the captain or above whose resume dazzles the rest of us? Where are the subject matter experts, the published professionals, the innovators, the educated? There are only a few. I hear a certain captain’s name mentioned a lot for DC and wonder about his accomplishments. He always impressed me as a guy trying to succeed by avoiding trouble and change at all costs, but had very close ties (vows) to the power that be (any guesses?). I guess you can’t blame these lieutenants and captains behaving like politicians and not leaders because that’s the model that works.
Like the rest of you, I’m always a tad-bit nervous leaving a comment, so I’ll leave it at that. Sharon, thanks for maintaining the Blog. Peace to everyone who works hard, does the right thing (everyday), is good to their family and develops themselves professionally. It’s all of you who make this job fun and satisfying.
SBCB, PPP knows very well it does not take one with a Master’s Degree to know right from wrong, double standards versus no standards. A liar versus honesty.
A promotional system that is fair, and folks should be promoted based on merit versus the golf score at the end of the game. A person who has NO DISCIPLINES in their file versus one with 72 days on the beach.
Or one who was arrested twice in a 15 month period for alcohol issues, then get’s promoted a year later to detective. Forget about those who are related to those who have been in power themselves, that would just be a baseless allegations too!!! LOL!!!
When you tell people who are not getting promoted they need to hang out with certain people more often, or bring a box of candy with them before they see the Chief on a certin issue, speaks volumns. Or just accept your discipline and move on. That does work for some, only to be used against them by someone down the road.
Yes someone please tell us how one with a Master’s degree and experience from within SBSD, has changed any of that in the last 3 decades??
Go aheand anyone, chime in here and explain ALL that away?
Some of you unknowing Kool-Aid drinkers should know some of what I am saying here has already been admitted to, in a judicial hearing. Not in the great detail it should be, but an addmission none the less.
I do think there is more to come on that. That would be evidence of what has been said here and carry’s more weight than your good word, that is for SURE.
It’s fair to say the last round of promotions suggest the comments are spot on.
Would the last round of promotions really be based on merit?? Experience? Hard work? Courage, the ability to actaully think and make decisions on your own?
I suggest butt kissing, laying on your back with legs exteneded upward, saying Yes more than NO, hanging innocent people at the behest of someone else MAY be a bigger factor in the recent promotions.
Paying for a round of golf, buying lunch, running the Sheriff’s rodeo and carrying the water and beer for others, is icing on the cake.
But PPP tells us who really eats beans and franks. Or just a pile of manure everyday?
Tell us how SBSD is the “premier” law enforcement agency in So Cal. Kick more ass than everyone else and get’s away with it?
I can wait, let us know. Still waiting for Boot to come in here with his lovely commentary on SEBA and answer the questions I asked last week.
Well PPP answer the man! What has Hoops done for us or the county beoutch?
For R….I keep waiting for you to say you r running for Sheriff. You have all the answers, are the smartest cop in Ca. (or X cop), could teach the deadbeat deputies how to work or fire them. Sounds like just what is needed. Or is it safer to sit back and critize behind your keyboard and live in the “when I was pushing a black and white” world. Just asking.
Capt. M couldn’t run the River Station, so they put him in Narcotics, with Emmons as his Lt.! The stamped away from Narcotics should start soon.
As far as Paul for Sheriff – Coming in as a “Bonus One Deputy” (aka Detective) isn’t a very good start. I’m not saying he can’t do the job, but a high ranking official from a large outside agency would me my choice (I realize they may not be any ‘better’ but SBSD needs credibility as well as change). Someone like LAPD’s IA Chief (heard great things about him), or A CHP Area Commander (that would shut Raisuli up).
I’m afraid, with the CalPERS and County pension system changes pending, all the good people will just take the money and run, leaving just the narcissists and megalomaniacs as candidates.
KNK, thanks for that touch of information on the obsessed DC. That tells me a lot actually.
KKK let me guess. Next DC will be good old Rob w correct. And the DC that reads the blog on a regular basis is good old Pauly “Boy” Cook. Let me know if I am close.
ACU. Of course I don’t have direct knowledge of this particular DC’s daily routine, but I’ve heard from multiple sources that he follows the blog very closely and tries sort out who’s who. As I have numerous friends all over the county, I consider myself pretty well-informed and can usually collect enough pieces of the puzzle to see the picture. This DC is probably the tallest one up there in case you needed another clue (sorry to be so coy, but you understand).
I’ve always been puzzled by the department’s lack of respect for members’ right to express themselves as citizens. Totally un-American in my opinion and behavior you see in oppressive regimes. Like I said in my last post, it’s a public agency for crying out loud. I would love to post using my name, but until I retire and move out of the state, I’ll have to curl up in the fetal position and use a nom de plume.
Ken, always hoping for the best for you and your family.
Thank you for the words KNK. YES the tall one, got it.
You mean the tall, snaggle toothed one with the harelip covered up by a mustache? I always wondered how that dork made it all the way to DC. He must have had naked pictures of Penrod.
Remember when he blasted the washing machine with a shotgun because a cat startled him? Damn fool if you ask me!
Cook?
The sergeants have no one to blame but themselves for the sorry ass lieutenant promotions. When they voted to do away with the civil service exam in lieu of a resume, they gave up the only portion of the promotional process they could control. Now, you are at the mercy of the executive staff and their whims. Dumb ass move if you ask me!
NOTB, sure couldn’t argue that with you, but I don’t think any process that has ever been in place has ever worked to be honest. Seems those who wanted to promote whoever did so and ignored their own rules. Ya know like reaching down into group 3 if one of their children was there.
Remember Abernathie and a couple of his friends finally got tired of the non-sense with the promotional system and filed suit. Most of you know the results. He wasn’t retaliated against, become YOUR SEBA President and got himself hooked up with the very ones he went after. Then to seal the deal he became a creep in life, just like the ones he sued.
Once you get to control the purse strings, those who hate you for causing them grief, now have second thoughts, and come KISS your ring in friendship.
Who was that red headed Captain? Howell? Him and Tidwell didn’t like each other when Howell challenged him long ago on some issue. Tidwell put him on the misery program and he was going to be a Sergeant for the rest of his life. Case law on the matter if I recall.
Once Tidwell retired, Howell got into some money, I think through his wife, made a big campaign donation and suddenly started moving up the ladder.
So again, win the lotto, spread a little money, and hopefully you will be rewarded accordingly. If your poor, just carry the water at the Sheriff’s rodeo, clean up the bull pens, you might get noticed.
Do the take a Chief to McDonald’s day, you may get assigned to narcotics sooner than later.
As to the tall guy spending his time on this blog attempting to figure out who comments here, that will be the tuffest detective work he EVER did. We know those upstairs, don’t bust their butts 40 hours a week in ANYTHING they do.
Some our bored, so they hang out at iepolitics, the baseless blog attempting to solve the mystery of, “who is talking bad about us”. WHAT a challenge.
Cook isn’t smart enough to figure out many talking here are no longer connected to the department, but still have their own sources of information. If Cook can ever make the connection the CIA will seek him out for the top slot.
Senior Blogger: Not Robbie W, but a young “Husker” whose resume is criminally empty. Robbie is anything but an empty vessel and from all accounts works hard and does a really good job. You can’t fault Robbie for busting his but and being successful. “Vow” (as in marriage) is the operative word in my initial post. You (and he) should have all the pieces now to get the idea. Gotta go, I see IA slowly driving through my neighborhood with some sort of WiFi detection device searching for the source of these insanely fresh posts!!
No One To Blame: You are absolutely right.
Let’s not forget DC is Hoop’s boy. Hoops also said the POST scandal was no big deal and it is a crime what the hell. Hoops was a big supporter of Biane crook (Rutherford (sp) loved that I’m sure) now he is a big supporter of the Indian Chief Ramos. Do we as deps on the dept. need to walk in lock step with this. We need to push SEBA not to give him another dime. We are giving Chief Ramos money, why are we doing this? I hope DC comes over to Rancho and finds out why we are done with Hoops. I do not speak for all deps at Racnch but lots of then feel the same as me. The promotion system sucks. I don’t play golf and I will not buy candy. I will do my job and I will not obey people like charbie shit head.
I want someone to tell me what Hoops has done for the deps in the past 4 years or all the years he was a high ranking person. I want to know. If you are a hoops suck ass tell me what you did for him prior to getting that great job or promotion. The Rodeo has turned into a suck fest.
@ACU – Are you talking about Mike Howell, used to sell used cars at a lot on Waterman in San Bernardino?
Yep I think that’s the one. YES a used car salesman. Credits for his advanced and supervisory POST, were earned there.
KNK when IA leaves the area you can comment on this if you wish.
As to Robbie Wickum.
Worked hard compared to many others? YES!!!!
Someone who has a good/decent personality and can get things done. YES!!!
Will he roll up his sleeves and get his hands dirty? YES!!!
Can he see the BS coming down the road and deal with most of it before it gets out of hand? YES!!!
Is Wickum an evil person? NO, not to my knowledge.
Will he put his foot down and call BS on those above him? NEVER seen that.
I’d have to know the story before I’d simply believe anything someone said that Wickum will put his ass on the line when the heat really comes down.
I have not seen Wickum in several years. Last time I saw him was in a cleaners we both went too. He seemed quite nervous when I looked him in the eye.
Even though Wickum does not function like many of those above him, he still has knowledge of many misdeeds around him. His father also knew and took part in some of those stories from long ago. IT is what it is.
Bottom line is, Wickum will not compound the problem that pops up under his watch hopefully, but I don’t believe he will stick his neck out either. Much like Glenn Pratt for sake of argument.
If that makes him a great leader in a corrupt system , OKAY!!!!
Other than cool, worked hard, he still has to manuever around land mines everyday to get ahead and keep up his image.
I am sure he has safely stepped over many.
Most of us know it only TAKES ONE incident to piss off someone in power in SBSD and your toast.
So what is the key to Rob’s success outside the many issues discussed here over the last several years?
Anyone? Hopefully the cheerleaders will think a little before they come racing into the fray.
Fassari, tighten down your seatbelt, rumor has it Marinatti may very well be getting a star in the near future.
A POST suspect for sure, and a potential promotion around the corner. PRICELESS!!
ACU, I hear what you’re saying. I have no gripes with Robbie W and would be pretty comfortable working for him. We all have our opinions and I’ll respect yours even though it may be different than mine on this one captain. I’ve got to sign off now. I think IA got a lock on my signal and I can hear the incoming artillery rounds on my position. OUT!
I have watched the Blog here for awhile and I must say, I enjoy all the conversaetions. ACU you always seem to call it right on point, thank you for that. As for the promotions to Lt, some of the new Lt’s are are complete jokers. Really Mendoza, what makes him a good selection, Emmonds, a guy who cant stay out of trouble and known across the department as a complete screw up, and to send him to narcotics? The guy who has complained and talked crap about narcs for years. Now he is going to be the boss. “WOW”. Cornell, a guy whos employees dont respect him a bit because he openly talks about his rediculas personal life and has no time for work. Phelps? come on this guy is good at one thing, and I’m too much of a lady to say what that is but it sure as hell is not leading troops. This guy is scared of his own shadow and always has been.
Onto Sgt Grossi? Is this the same Grossi whos wife (Michelle) was involved in the Bart Gray POST scandal? Let me save you the answer, yes it is.. Like he had no clue what his wife was doing and did not enjoy some of the benefits (money) from her lies on POST training.
Steve Dorsey gets a DUI in a Sheriff’s unit and is rewarded with a promotion! How fair is that to the hard working troops without a “record”? He is lucky to still have a job in my opinion
I used to work for a sergeant whom I had incorrectly assumed was a country bumpkin. He had a southern drawl. He was laid back yet always in control of his emotions; however, he was was known to partake in assignations outside of marriage. His wife was a college professor. He was white & his wife was black. He used to invite on-duty cops to is house on Christmas Eve for dinner. He did take care of his cops.
He used to tell funny stories in briefing, especially how growing up in the south others would actually shoot real guns at him. He was white. He said southern white trash were a species lost in time. They were found living in Phelan.
I was working on the complexities of an injury accident report. He could see that I was trying to determine approximate speed at impact. He saw that I was deep in though & he offered to help. I had figured that he wouldn’t have known the formula I was using. He said, “Let me see it. I’ll figure it out for you.” He took the report, looked at skid mark distances and other figures I had recorded. He thought for a second and gave me the correct approximate speed. Amazed, I asked him how he was able to determine the speed by merely looking at my figures. He replied, “I’m a licensed civil engineer. I became a cop because it was more exciting that engineering!”
I worked with other cops who had left other professions including teaching. I worked with cops who were alumni from colleges throughout the country, including Penn State & the University of Michigan, both of which are prestigious universities. Many had graduate degrees. A few had law degrees. They were all excellent at using reason and logic to determine factual events. More importantly, they readily admitted what they didn’t know, including another sergeant who had graduated from USC.
There are many points in this missive. First, you never know about coworkers until you get to know them. Second, the more educated one is the more readily s/he’ll admit what s/he doesn’t know. They’ll never try to dazzle with BS. Third, formal post-secondary education does enhance reasoning and logic skills; however, formal education is not necessary for cop work. Intelligence is. A hallmark of intelligence is admitting that which one does not know. Not knowing is acceptable. Refusing to learn is unacceptable.
I have worked with very sharp cops who did not have college degrees. A college degree is not necessary for cop work; however, the preamble of the California Peace Officers Legal Source Book alludes to the necessity of education because of the esoteric nature of law enforcement. Cops have to have deep knowledge of a lot of disciplines. And they have to be able to cogently support a series of theses that leads a reader to conclude that a crime was committed and the one arrested did it. A good cop has to have excellent report writing skills, and report writing reveals one’s ability to use reason and logic to arrive at factual conclusions. With few exceptions, cops whom I have known who were washed out had poor reporting writing skills, which usually identified poor reason and logic skills.
My thesis is that SBSO has to accept that its operating in an era where advanced intelligence and not nepotism and favoritism should be basis for promotion. Therefore, it ought to drastically increase its salary and entice exceptional candidates to apply. It’s frustrating to me to run across deputies who can’t write reports to save their lives, who do not know textbook definition of probable cause, who have no clue of evidence, who have no clue of substantive & adjective law, who go out of their way to kiss off serious crimes including felonies, who rationalize dereliction of duty, who legislate their own penal code elements, who actually believe that they can practice law w/o a license, who lack rudimentary reasoning & logic skills, who have lied to me, who were Peter Principled far before they left their first jobs, and who have egos far beyond their abilities. In short, if SBSO wants to improve its image and keep its squared away deputies, it will have to clean house of its derelicts and those who become felons by becoming accessories to felonies. What is certain is that squared away cops hate working with those who diminish the reputation of their agency.
SBSO needs new sheriff blood. The deputies’ association ought to begin a recruitment process for sheriff. And that means looking without SBSO. I’d be willing to bet a cup of joe that there are qualified candidates from LA & surrounding counties who’d consider bringing new blood into SBSO. If the status quo is retained, SBSO risks losing squared away deputies to agencies that would love to have them driving their units.
Squared away deputies are attractive candidates to other law enforcement agencies. If SBSO refuses to modernize, it will risk losing its best leaving those who should have never been hired. If SBSO doesn’t recruit the best, it will remain mired in what is at best mediocrity. And squared away deputies do not want to waste their careers working for a mediocre agency. Since they’re squared away, they will want to work for agencies that employ squared away cops.
When our economy recovers, if it ever does, and agencies begin recruiting, I’d expect squared away deputies to be leaving SBSO in droves. That will leave JustCurious, Anonymous, Blase’ and other lops to screw up calls and become accessories to felonies.
If an SBSO deputy doesn’t know CPC 20 by heart, If an SBSO deputy can’t recite textbook definition of probable cause, if an SBSO deputy doesn’t know statements are in fact evidence of a crime, if an SBSO deputy can cogently support a series of theses leading to probable cause for arrest (report writing skills), of what use is such a deputy? S/he’ll do far more harm to SBSO than the converse.
That’s all I got to write about that.
R
ACU you are spot on w/ Robbie. I REALLY liked working for him, hardest working person on the Dept. (we teased him, and told him to get a life, because he would call at 10PM because he got a new idea and wanted us to get started on it ASAP). Straight shooter, wouldn’t lie, wouldn’t jump on the band wagon to railroad someone, but also wouldn’t put his neck on the line to save anyone. Still one of the best I’ve worked for, just wish he had some balls.
DC Magilla, god help the Dept.!
I just heard that some criminal stuff is going on with the narcotics division. Seems some upper staff was up to no good which is why the obvious flush of the Captain, Lt, Sgt, a Det and a deputy. A complete new set of Brass and one new sergeant, well a boot sergeant who worked under the now “flushed Capt” who probly asked for this guy to come back so the BS can continue under the nose of the new Capt. As I know it, this boot sgt is walking on thin ice as well. Again like its been said above time again, there are many good folks in the department that would do a much better job at keeping the big league narcotic teams straight. I could name a few right off the top who have walked the walk with clean records. Its a sad state of affairs right now and I feel ashamed sometimes to say I work for the department. I hope to see some change soon. Keep on bloggn, us hard workers ejoy the information about our leaders.
I haven’t seen any mention of Goodman and I believe he deserves a little love as well. Darren Goodman is the biggest sexual harasser on the Department and we are now sending him with bars to the most scandalous division in the Department. That is a recipe for disaster. Last time, when he was a Sgt at CDC, just about every other female employee complained about him but Larry Brown covered it all up. Can’t wait to see what happens this time, NOT!!!
R,
Just to show you what a complete ignorant idiot you are I will enlighten you a bit. It wasn’t 3 month’s ago before I changed my screen name and called your bullshit that you we’re singing my praises. Now because unlike what you posts your the UNEDUCATED IDIOT who cannot admit when he is wrong, nor realize through your the puny inept brain the ability to see outside your self given ” I’m bitchen” world that there is several ways to skin a cat. There’s life after police work gramps, find a hobby. Your juvenile self gloating is tired and old. If you have nothing constructive to add, go back to the mirror you talk to yourself in and boost your ego some more. Maybe your always in here cause OC was tired of your bullshit too. I know what, since your so smart, why don’t you get off your broken medically retired ass and run for Sheriff. Then you can fire all the lops and give others raises. Problem is your a slap-dick. Moreover y don’t you try impress someone by telling me whereby term “slap-dick” originated from. Or did you never see patrol?
Hey Sgt maybe Goodman and Real can get something going. All he has to do is overlook that 4’3″ 200 + pound frame.
Good News! T Smith is retiring. Great morale boost for Needles!
WELL I just saw the promotion list. KEVIN WARNER, should be on the Brady List. A cheese eatin rat, who is a liar. Weighs a buck and a quarter in real live. He’s dirty with a lot of uses of forces. He is a taser user big time, but that is to compensate for his light ass.
You coppers working IRNET, Warner will rat you off and lie to get ahead, BEWARE.
Got proof on the Brady issues, so don’t want anyone thinking I am making this stuff up. And at least 5 civil service commissioners think he is a liar. I fact someone there called him a lying punk off the record.
I hope the DEA pinches him for tappin the till at IRNET!!!!! I can’t picture Warner ever getting busy with some big time dope dealer. I’d like to see his butt get shipped down to Mexico and let him be tuff with the cartel.
Dave Phelps, will be a bean counter the rest of his life. Wish for more, you are correct about Phelps and his bravery under fire, NONE!!!!!! Your correct about the other unmentionable.
Dorsey is a clone of Bill Zehms, they shared the same hamburger when they ate lunch together. Dorsey doesn’t mind seeing others in misery. He is an ASSHOLE!!!! Lying cheatin SOB!!!! I bet his POST certificate is rubber too!!!
@ R- first of all
“statements are evidence that support probable cause to arrest”
thats what ive said all along…you ratard,,,you took what I said and used it for your benefit. I never said that statements werent evidence to support probable causse..i said they werent evidence when it came to trial you bafoon, hence the jury instructions I showed you. Also I have never been rejected by a department. I actually was at another department and came over to SBSO. No agency is perfect. You talk to anyone at any department and they all have their problems. I’m not saying SBSO is perfect. But to all the whining people grab your balls stop whining and just do your job.
@Rancho for life- That explains a lot Rancho is weak! Nothing happens there, but you talk to any deputy who works there and they’ll tell you they’ve been there done that. Everyone knows Rancho deps are pretty boys who are afraid to work a real station. I know there are some good guys there though. But I’ve even heard it from deps who work there. Also I m not Charbie the administrator already cleared that up. Thank you very much. Also I have had the pleasure to work for him. The only people who dont like him are lazy lops. They dont like him because he puts them on blast and lazy people dont like that. I would work for and with Charbie any day of the week.
I know your going to the party Mike, it should be standing room only. Maybe Havasu City PD, will allow for a good ol danny brook on the night of his retirement party?
Maybe will see Smith on his own fishing show on the Outdoor Channel?? The ass anglers presenting T.Smith as himself?
Thanks for the info Mike.
ACU, I sure hope the “new” IRNET can handle Warner. As long as Sgt Cardenas is there all will be just fine. The two of them can tap the till together. That guy (Adrian Cardenas) is the most hated guy to see the walls of IRNET by his peers and partner agencies, and now they reward him after what 6 months in the jail, bypassing patrol only because Sgt Boyd got transfered, what the department thinks this POS will clean IRNET up, and now with this Warner kid entering the unit. Sounds like a TV show in the making. Why not make a solid guy the new Sgt over there, maybe one who can take control of that place, cause its pretty obvious the other Sgt there cant. whats his name? Ernie Perez…Another example of no experience, no heart, no guts, no back bone, just a yes sir kinda man.
JustCurious,
You are a liar. You wrote that statements are not evidence. You were emphatic that statements are not evidence. In fact, you even wrote that you knew of jury instructions that stated that statements are not evidence. You are a liar. You’re incompetent. And you’re derelict. Maybe Administrator can pull up what you wrote last August.
JustCurious, just the fact that you’re a liar should be enough to have your lop ass fired. You are a disgrace to law enforcement. You’re even an embarrassment to SBSO, and that’s quite a fete.
You were Peter Principled as a recruit. You should have been kicked out of your academy for stupidity. You certainly should have failed FTO. You have to be the most moronic “cop” I have even know to exist.
I will give you credit for realizing just how stupid you were for insisting that statements were not evidence.
R
Blase’,
Here’s an investigative assignment for you: find just one thing I have EVER posted here that was incorrect.
You, on the other hand, have insisted that there is a reporting requirement within elements of crimes. That is just plain stupid. But then again, you’re not all that bright. I’ve forgotten more about cop work that you’ve ever known.
R
Blase’,
Your inability to convey your thoughts in coherent posts indicates just how dumb you are.
R
SBCounty Boy: Charbie only posts under his his true name as someone else previously told you. I’m not sure, but I believe he got a little something not so nice in his p-file for the temerity he showed in previous posts (Cook is his DC and Stevie K is his captain, which explains everything). Since we’re all cowards here for posting under aliases, why don’t you at least cut Charbie some slack for putting it out there when he did. All of you guys who trash others by name while hiding behind an alias are seriously lame. Make your observations, state your critiques and opinions, but stop shredding others on a personal level when you enjoy the safety of anonymity. Sort of like boxing with someone who’s blindfolded.
JustCurious aks Charbie stop it…
KNK, you sound like a great guy. Charbie has been on here before using other names. Do not let him fool you. Just like the above poster always comes on here writing just like Charbie, talking how great he is. No way the only person who would say that is Charbie. He will defend Hoops to the world and talk about the greatness of Charbie who is a creep and not the hard cherger he tells everyone he is. NOT
Now the dept. is fucked under the bald one. SEBA needs to stop giving money to Indian Chief Ramos and no more to Hoops. What the hell we are not the bank of hell.
SBCounty Boy: I used to follow the blog pretty regularly but quit because I was always getting put off with these types of arguments. When I say arguments, I mean posters’ efforts to out other posters. Always accusing someone of being someone else just brings out denials and counter-accusations. TEDIOUS reading and my cue to see what’s new on perezhilton dot com. Since there is no way to know for sure who is who short of a search warrant (or a subpoena in a civil case), or ACU or Sharon giving it up, just resign yourself to accept everyone’s anonymity and have fun talking $h!t about the untouchables. I would be more worried about the S/W than I would about Ken or Sharon ever cooperating with agents of the Evil Empire. Is it now time for me to deny I’m Charbie or his apologist, or do we get back to talking about the real issues in the department?
“Hey Sgt maybe Goodman and Real can get something going. All he has to do is overlook that 4’3″ 200 + pound frame.”
@Truth, you have some serious psychological issues and I think you need to schedule an appointment with the counseling team ASAP. Thank you for that visual, you horrible horrible person. Very funny though.
R,
One last thing, be a man, not a bitch, either step up to the plate and state your grocery store securit guard card and agency you pretended to work for or go back to watching chips wishing you were Jon in the CHP…. OTHER WISE YOUR JUST A POSER LIKE CHARBIE and the like. Thats fact, not personal. If you can’t figure that out, I don’t know what to tell ya.. Maybe a shrink or something in OC can explain it in ” I repeat myself over and over and over again Rasuli language”…… Did you ever try playing your record in reverse to see if you got your wife, your dog, your house, your life back? Just saying….. Try the Urban Dictionary for some new material OCD Gramps.
KNK, rest assured the Evil Empire will NEVER get any cooperation from me on anything. They have never earned it, and doubtful they ever will. When I was cooperative, they used it to their fullest. Now they can kiss my middle finger.
wish for more on February 20, 2012 at 6:01 PM said:
ACU, I sure hope the “new” IRNET can handle Warner. As long as Sgt Cardenas is there all will be just fine. The two of them can tap the till together. That guy (Adrian Cardenas) is the most hated guy to see the walls of IRNET by his peers and partner agencies, and now they reward him after what 6 months in the jail, bypassing patrol only because Sgt Boyd got transfered, what the department thinks this POS will clean IRNET up, and now with this Warner kid entering the unit. Sounds like a TV show in the making. Why not make a solid guy the new Sgt over there, maybe one who can take control of that place, cause its pretty obvious the other Sgt there cant. whats his name? Ernie Perez…Another example of no experience, no heart, no guts, no back bone, just a yes sir kinda man.
Solid Sergeant might not go with the flow, can’t have that now can we.
I could be wrong, but I bet IRNET is more about MONEY seizures than dope at his point. I mean if they can grab $3 mil versus 3 tons, I have to think they will go for the big bucks.
If Warner REALLY knew how many times he ALMOST got his ass kicked by his fellow Deps, he’d be more humble.
Nothing worse than a Brady cop who is a rat!!!! Warner will get his justice in due course.
ACU what was I thinking
putting a solid sgt there is prob not the likes of the dept. Your right again, that would prob screw up the S O P. (whatever that is). Has Capt M ever worked narcotics? Or the new guy Lt days off how about him? I sure hope Lt Moore who was also transfered to IRNET (according to the transfer sheet), will pay close attention to the new squad. Since he is coming from IA maybe thats a underlining statement. Something big time must have happened there for all those ranks to be flushed out. We will prob never know the truth.
Blase’,
You can make accurate inferences about one based upon her/his arguing strategy. Why does where I used to work have any bearing upon my factual refutations of your inanity? Let’s assume for the sake of argument that I was never a cop. What bearing would it have on the facts I have presented?
I can’t blame you for being embarrassed of having to work for SBSO. Let’s assume that SBSO didn’t exist. Where would you work? Target? Wal-Mart? What skills do you have other than kissing off felonies? We know that you lack inferential reasoning & logical deduction skills.
The fact is you’re desperate. You have exposed yourself as derelict. Now you’re searching for anything, even the most tenuous, in futile effort to regain legitimacy. Your biggest problem is that you have insisted upon exposing just how stupid you are, and you became aggressively stupid in the face of facts.
Here’s what I’ll do for a fool like you. I’ll meet you for coffee at a public restaurant. There I’ll show you credentials from a real law enforcement agency. In the meantime, subscribe to and study the California Peace Officers Legal Source Book. That why you’ll learn that you cannot legislate your own elements into crimes, and you’ll learn about CPC 20.
How many felonies did you kiss off to start off the week? Maybe you ought to have CHP handle your calls for you.
Blase’, are you aware of the concept of projection?
R
It does make sense that JustCurious is a sycophant. How else could a thoroughly stupid & lying derelict like him remain employed unless he spends considerable time on his knees. Do deputies who work with him call him Deputy Knee Pads?
R
R, if you were a cop, you would know why it is important for other cops to know where you worked. I grew tired of your silly arguments and pointless posts some time ago but you have a chance to prove your relevance here. If not, I will go back to ignoring you.
PS, I know, I am an ignorant fool because I work for SBSD and I know nothing of the law compared to your high intellect. But all the intellect in the world doesn’t replace actual experience as a cop on the streets. If you can prove you were a street cop, you will gain at least some respect amongst us SBSD slouches.
There’s some great conversation going on here. I think we are missing the point or catching what is truly wrong. Does SBSD have a culture of corruption and has it been instilled from top to the bottom in recent years? When looking at the history of the agency, we see the last two retired sheriffs were convicted or plead to crimes. Now we look at the current sheriff and a matter we refer to as the POST incident and there are other missteps but we can look at this one. We realize the Peace Officer Bill of Rights protects the officers from certain processes, but it does not excuse criminal activity. POST problems seemed to be wide spread in SBSD and the sheriff spent three years not doing anything until he was pushed by the media to do something. Then very little was done in regards to public servants going to jail. If he had friends involved or he just wanted it to go away, this sounds like corruption. If your sheriff’s past are criminal convicts and the sheriff now possibly knew about the POST incident long ago then it leads us to believe there is a culture of corruption and it comes from the top. It appears it has been there for years. SBSD might have a US Judge as their sheriff if what appears to be a culture of corruption. All fingers must point at the sheriff and then down. I am surprised someone has not started a recall against the current sheriff. We understand the DA is great friends with the current sheriff and if he is involved he can have a US Judge as DA. We as US citizens need to ask if this is personal gratification or is it service to the community. We pay both the DA and sheriff over $250,000 each per year. Is that too much for public servants. So how do you get 72 days suspended from work and then get promoted? Well is it a culture of corruption that fuels these promotions? What’s going on at major narcotics? I hope the media will dive in and look into the sheriff and the department.
Sgt,
Ignore me. I don’t care. To me it’s a cheap arguing tactic because you’re unable to refute my theses or can’t keep up intellectually.
Sgt, you’re so amateurish that you wouldn’t buy Apple, Microsoft, or Dell because neither one of the owners/inventors of these products graduated from college. Since they didn’t graduate from college, using your logic they lack legitimacy. Where I might have worked is immaterial. What is material is the validity of my arguments. Only intellectual lightweights attack the messenger. Heavyweights attack arguments. We know what division you’re in. And there’s no doubt that merit & ability had no influence in your promotion.
Let’s take you out for a spin before I put you away wet:
1. Is there any reporting requirement in any crime?
2. Is a crime committed when act meets intent as defined by CPC 20?
3. Are statements evidence?
4. Are cops empowered to practice law?
Pay attention to JustCurious, Anonymous, & Blase’. Now that’s intelligence right there.
Sgt, incompetence is bred in SBSO because of incompetent supervisors. I can show you at least two reports that were approved by supervisors that were prepared and submitted by a woman who could never, ever work for a real law enforcement agency. Who knows, maybe you’re her supervisor.
Sgt. I have taught deputies more than they have learned at your academy. But then again, your academy is a joke.
Sgt, as is constantly developed on this blog by stalwarts working for SBSO, it is one sorry law enforcement agency. Why in God’s name would you want to spend your career working for the worst? Why can’t you lateral to a real law enforcement agency?
Sgt, tell us about the last felony you detected, investigated, witnesses interviewed (that would be statements), victim interviewed (more evidence), physical evidence collected, suspect ID’d & arrested, suspect interviewed (more statements that JustCurious knows isn’t evidence), and disposition. Or are you just like other deputies who post here who kiss off felonies.
Sgt, ignore me. It’s an arguing tactic of a joker. And I’d bet that you would ignore a mentally ill, homeless person who actually saw a felony committed. And you wonder why your agency is such a joke among other law enforcement agencies? Even SB City Schools police think you guys are jokes. Sgt, you only confirm that view.
R
Sgt,
If you have comprehension skills, you will have learned that I have worked on the beach and other beats, and that I have been assigned to three major riots. You really are stupid and obviously promoted off of your knees if you can’t deduce that I was a street cop. Now get off your knees and do something worthwhile like arresting a tweaker.
What pisses you off is that I am so secure with myself that I have no need to prove anything to you.
R
WFM, I don’t know that much about Captain M, from a personal standpoint, like I do others.
I met him once when he was a Sergeant in IA, he was tasked to investigate something I did which again turned out to be the standard fishing expedition. He was cool with me, did NOTHING I could be upset about.
As I was about to leave, he stood up and shook my hand and said it was nice to FINALLY meet me. Well that tells me he was briefed on little ol me. So maybe he knew not to try and do the hard ass approach knowing full well that wouldn’t work. Speculation on my part.
Capt M, truely came onto the radar on the POST issue that started out of Yucaipa station.
Things got worse to my knowledge when he went out the the Needles station and pretty much reversed all the GOOD things Captain Wickum had tried or did put in place. A complete waste of time for Wickum when you look at the big picture.
Those guys at the station have had more leaders out there for short stays, than any other place I know. They should all feel like freakin ping pong balls with the turn around in supervision, about as bad as the jails.
Anyways, lots of stuff started popping up with Capt M, NONE of it was good. He has screwed over and talked some serious smack to some good people for the wrong reasons. And of course the great John McMahon had Capt M’s back trying to patch up the shit Capt M created.
I trust these people and their information, good cops, friends, honest employees trying to do the right thing and Capt M, was having none of that.
Capt M is clearly a tyrant if challenged on his absolute incompetant decision making, so much so, he might make a comment to an employee, “you think you can take me”. Well Capt M, is a big boy, a knuckle dragger in his day like a few others. OKAY SO!!!
Not all of us will start shaking in our boots at such comments.
I was never blessed to have someone with stripes or bars jump in my face, poke their finger in my chest and challenge me to a fight as some have. The brass used other methods to try and get me to go off, so they could fire me and prosecute me for assault. It didn’t work for all their efforts. But one will only take so much.
A crook with a badge challenging me to fight, just like a gangbanger standing on the street corner telling you he will kick your ass if you don’t leave. Most of us know what the results will be.
Again I wish I would have been so lucky to deal with someone as tuff as Capt M. We would fight, I’d lose, but he’d know I won’t run and hide. He would also know he’d have to do it again and again. Each time I’d show up unexpected to try my luck. One of us will get tired.
Maybe that is why he is going to IRNET to kick some ass?? But I don’t think John Emmons will be a good choice in backing all that up.
Hector Guerra with his temper has been known to put hands on people. But maybe they need someone like Capt M, to follow through with the hands on aspect?
“Ignore me. I don’t care. To me it’s a cheap arguing tactic because you’re unable to refute my theses or can’t keep up intellectually.”
Yep, I done been schooled. Shoulda never try ta keep up with that enormous brain a’ yours. And with yer fantastic talkin’ points about CPC 20. I am so amazed. Never heard that in yer last 50 posts.
Back to ignore, who’s with me?
R,
You a serious POS. YOUR COMFORTABLE WITH BEING A WANNABE THROWING STONES FROM LORD KNOWs WHERE. If you WERE COMFORTABLE U would man up, but you won’t because you will get laughed at. Your a clown. PERIOD. Go back and learn how to read before telling more lies. Do YOU understand reading comprehensio? I never said what you claim. I had to apologize to Sharon cause frankly if I meet you id have a hard time not kicking the SHIT out of you.. Your a liar and an egomaniac. I kick myself for letting a nobody waist my time. When you grow up and add constructive criticisms perhaps then people will pay attention again to you. Until then enjoy CHIPS reruns .
Blase’,
It seems as though you have anger management issues. You are intellectually weak, which is why you’re quick to resort to violence. You might want to try reason and logic to arrive at factual conclusions. This concept was give to us by Socrates, and Socratic method is still valid.
You did in fact write that when a victim reports a CPC 422 to you would determine whether that crime had occurred. You defended the indefensible in the face of irrefutable facts. You are clueless of criminal elements if you believe reporting is an element of any crime.
Blase’, if you know CPC 20, you’ll know when a crime is committed. When it’s reported is immaterial. And you’re willing to go to jail & lose your job over being wrong? You don’t sound like a wise man to me.
Finally, only the weak threaten. Talk to anyone who knows me & you’ll find out I have never threatened anyone. But you have revealed for all to read that you’re a danger to others. Who knows, maybe you own agency will have to take you 5150. So go threaten someone who’s intimidated by threats.
R
Sgt,
I am delighted that I was able to teach you something. But knowing a concept and actually applying it are two separate things. Let’s see if you are able to apply your new knowledge.
Adios,
R
The transfer sheet is a joke also. They transfer us and print it later if they wish. Piss off the wrong turd and bam you are transfered. I’m glad to see others from SBSD are here letting people know what hoops is doing.
R,
LoL, if you token that as a threat your a bigger bitch than I thought. Unlike you, I put my pants on one leg at a time. You weak minded sissy. I didn’t mean to bring flash backs of you having your lunch money taken, I am sorry. Send me your therapy bill you Alice. OC is a good place for ya.
“The transfer sheet is a joke also. They transfer us and print it later if they wish. Piss off the wrong turd and bam you are transfered. I’m glad to see others from SBSD are here letting people know what hoops is doing.”
This is called road therapy. Completely against policy and county procedure but fight against it and they will make the pain even worse. Hence my post about SEBA being more proactive. These kind of issues need to be addressed by SEBA regardless if an employee contacts them or not. With the contract for safety coming up, SEBA would do themselves a favor by addressing these as potential lawsuits to push the county to settle the contract with a fair wage resolution. If SEBA went to each station with a rep, I would be willing to bet they could come up with several Road Therapy deputies right now.
Sgt, a class action lawsuit might change the way transfers and promotions are administered at SBSD. Will this stop the retaliation against SEBA members who start litigation against Sheriff and SBSD? I have read some people have put the thought forward of recalling the Sheriff in conjunction with a lawsuit. I believe SEBA would not back either action from it’s members.
Sharon should pose this question to the readers, how many SEBA members would support a lawsuit and recall against the Sheriff.
Blase’,
I’d back away like the coward you are from the obvious threat you made to me. I am sure your professional standards division is interested in your anger management issues. You’re obviously a liability to your department, you know little or nothing of adjective law, and you lie. In contrast, I challenge you to find just one lie I have ever posted. Period.
BTW, moron, I have had seven orthopedic surgeries. I need two more. Were you to kick the shit out of me I could easily end up on an operating table. Since we can all prove that you have threatened me -were we you to meet you’d have a hard time not kicking the shit out of me- and were you to kick the shit out of me, it would amount to great bodily injury. Think before you open your mouth, not that you have much gray matter.
All we have to do is be reminded that if a crime victim doesn’t report her/his crime to you when you think s/he should, you’d kiss off the felony, which makes you Deputy Derelict.
You might want to hire an attorney to find out what will happen to you were you to inflict great bodily injury upon me.
This is the prime reason that when I go out to enjoy myself it’s either Corona del Mar or Laguna where cops would have their eyes on derelicts like you. In fact, why don’t we meet in Newport for coffee & you can tell cops there how you legislate elements into the penal code and how you want to kick the shit out of a former OC cop who has had seven surgeries. You’ll love OC jail, where you can impress inmates with your illusory intelligence.
Blase’, keep in mind that I’ve had seven surgeries & need two more. Were we to meet & you were to threaten me, you’re going to jail. So let’s see just how tough you really are. You love to call others pussies. Let’s see just what a man you are. How about Fashion Island for lunch? Yeah, that’s what I thought. You’re a blabber mouth.
R
Wahh Wahh, Wahh Wahh
I just laugh at R’s comments now. I think with every post he loses credibility. R you are about as cowardly as I’ve seen. I like how you bash a department like you’ve worked for it. I take nothing you say seriously when you trash my department. Unless you’ve walked in our shoes…STFU. Be a man and tell us the department you worked for. Then I’m sure we can find shit on it too. NO DEPARTMENT IS PERFECT. You don’t know shit about our department. You jus assume because of a bad incident. You remind me of the criminals I put into jail everyday (I doubt you got an arrest a day) who blame the cops for their faults and misdeeds. Grow a pair. Good look gettin a 422 out of his statement. Now we all see what kind of cop work you do. If that’s not a stretch then I don’t know what is. If you knew the elements like u say you do he would actually have to have the means to carry it out and since your “anonymous” I dont think that can happen and since your in “sustained fear” meeting him for coffee would be you enabling him so and since the statement was “conditional” it doesn’t meet the elements of 422. But maybe in OC where you get a felony hook a month maybe two months it flies. I bet your shit was rejected all the time, especially if you called his statement a 422. BAHAHHAHAH
“Only intellectual lightweights attack the messenger.”
THATS ALL YOU DO!!!
T. Smith rescinded his retirement request, supposedly the real-estate seal he made fell through. Needless to say, the staff at Needles is very depressed…..
JustCurious,
It’s not so much your agency but the poor qualitiy of deputies it employs. You know damned well that you wrote that statements were not evidence and that you knew of jury instructions that stated same. Since you were exposed as derelict, you have backpedaled. But the fact of the matter is you had no clue of basic adjective law. JustCurious, you ought to be fired. You’re a liability to justice and your department. Worse, you’re a liar. All we have to do is search for your insisting that statements were not evidence. You would have far more credibility were you to have honor and character to admit that you were wrong.
Blase’,
BTW, I did drop a dime to your professional standards division. Your threatening me with great bodily injury implicates a willingness to commit felonies and reveals anger management issues. I don’t want to see you fired or face days off, but you do need to attend anger management. Otherwise you’re a danger to others. So hopefully your professional standards division has had a talk with you. The professional standards sergeant I talked to seemed like a nice guy and was genuinely concerned about your threatening to commit great bodily injury upon my person. The last thing I need is another surgery. And the last thing you need is to find yourself unemployed and in jail.
Think before you threaten. Better yet, don’t threaten. Only the weak threaten.
R
R,
“BTW, I did drop a dime to your professional standards division. Your threatening me with great bodily injury implicates a willingness to commit felonies and reveals anger management issues”
If this is true, you are an even bigger moron than I took you for and I know now you were never a cop. No cop would be this stupid.
First off, we don’t have a professional standards division. We have Internal Affairs so I am hoping you are just BS’ing. If not you are way more screwed than Blasé. They may or may not figure out who he is but they for sure know who you are now. You can expect some kind visits by true Hoops believers now. The goons will write you tickets and do everything they can to make your life a little more miserable from now on. You have obviously not been paying attention. SBSD is CORRUPT!!! You may be able to report some misconduct to another organization, but not like this and not in our organization. Expect to be seeing more tan and green in your future.
Second off, if by chance they do take the threat seriously, which they shouldn’t, you may have just given them a reason to find out who we all are and shut the blog down. They can manufacture Search Warrants on this BS vague threat for records into all of our IP addresses. The retaliation will hit an all time high and scare everyone away.
HAHAHAH I think you cut and paste. Considering all you did is your same ol same ol BS. His threat was not PC 422. You are absolutely retarded I swear. You definitely are a lil bitch. We are seeing the true side of you come out. HAHA you are a JOKE R…nuff said.
FYI I said you use statements to build probable cause and if in fact statements were evidence there would be no need to testify at the Prelim you moron…GTFOH
Raisuli, it’s not called “Professional Standards”. Hasn’t been for about 15 years.
And I can just hear your call now:
“Hello, I’m am (alleged) former OC cop (or whatever) who talks out his ass constantly about your department (which I know NOTHING about), and one of your Deps told my to shut my pie hole and I’m such a GIGANTIC pussy that I’m all ascared now!!!
R, I’m a girl, and I’ll offer to kick the shit out of you too.. better grab your phone, cause there are a LOT of us (girls) who would take you on…
time and place, dickhead… unless you wanna make another call?
Sgt,
I sure as hell hope that you’re not telling me that two or more SBSO deputies would not conspire to violate my civil rights. You might want to research it. Look up 18 USC 241. I don’t think SBSO deputies would enjoy a federal country club for a few years. And from what I understand, US DOJ has its eyes all over SBSO.
But just it case deputies were so stupid, the evidence is within this blog. The US Attorneys Office wouldn’t have to look to far for all the proof it needs.
Internal Affairs is an old school term. Modern agencies refer to personnel as professional standards. I can watch old “Dragnet” episodes and hear them refer to internal affairs.
Anonymous,
I never said that Blase’ committed a 422. In fact, I even wrote that I thought he was using threats because he was unable to compete intellectually. What I did write is that he was weak because of his threat. And were he so stupid as to “kick the shit” out of me, I want it documented beforehand. I am an orthopedic nightmare. Blase’s wife could kick the shit out of me, which is why I go out of my way to avoid places where people like to fight.
If in the off chance Blase’ did commit a crime, I would refuse to be a victim, unless he were stupid enough to commit great bodily injury to my person. Then the chips will fall where they may. If he causes me to be hospitalized again, then jail would be appropriate punishment. His resorting to violence when he can’t keep intellectual pace is alarming. If he can’t control his temper, he’s in the wrong line of work, that and his delusional belief that he can create his own penal code elements to facilitate his dereliction of duty.
Remember, anonymous, only the weak threaten. And as I was taught in the academy before you were considered as your parents’ dependent, cops never, ever threaten anyone. It’s a good rule to live by. You might want to give it a test drive. It might just keep you our of your professional standards division, or, in the case of SBSO old school, internal affairs.
Just a word to the wise…
R
JustCurious,
Like I have written before, you are a liar. You insisted in your previous postings that statements are not evidence. Therefore, tautologically, how you you use what is not evidence to support probable cause to arrest? That’s called logic. Moreover, consistent with your inveterate propensity for the inane, you dug your hole even deeper by declaring that you knew of jury instructions that declared statements are not evidence
JustCurious, you lack even basic law enforcement knowledge. It is because of clueless deputies like you that deputies who don’t know substantive & adjective law that they become accessories to child abuse. What worse, you’re not bright enough to admit when you’re wrong.
Maybe Administrator can bring up what you have in fact written and insisted was true. That way we can see that you’re not only incompetent & a derelict, but you’re also a liar.
R
With arguably some variation, sheriffs of counties are usually the most influential of all local politicians. Sheriffs usually impose their wills on county operations. Even DA’s curry favor with sheriffs. So as long as Hoops wears four stars, he will do what he wants in SB county & the rest of the politicians will fall in line.
As any of us who have worked in government knows, merit is not the defining criterion in promotion. Loyalty to the boss is generally most important, right up there with ability to raise money to keep the sheriff from having to stand in an unemployment line. This is why most sheriff offices are plagued with elevated Peter Principles wreaking havoc on cops who’re infinitely more intelligent than their superiors.
I tried to report two counts of serious child abuse that were close enough to torture for government work. I had two witnesses to the abuse, a declaration sworn under penalty of perjury attesting to two counts of felonious child abuse, and the victim’s statements that her mommy had virtually tortured her. I brought it to the attention of a desk sergeant. You guess it. He tried to kiss it off as a civil problem. By this time I had had enough of SBSO deputies becoming accessories to felonious child abuse. I calmly told the sergeant to get a competent deputy to respond. Dejected, he looked at the floor and, with what was apparent acknowledgement of his incompetence, silently replied, “OK.” God only knows how many serious felonies he had kissed off. How does such an obviously incompetent employee get hired let alone promoted?
My ex-wife stole thousands of dollars from me. Deputies, never missing an opportunity to kiss off felonies, recited on cue, “It’s a civil problem.” I called my brother, who used to be a DDA. He told me that it was in fact many counts of CPC 487, but that SBSO’s reputation for kissing off felonies was infamous. He said the deputes of SBSO haven’t yet figured out that crimes are also torts. But since they don’t know what the hell they’re doing, they are quick to kiss of felonies by classifying them as civil problems.
Here’s a clue for you SBSO deputies, crimes are always torts. Don’t kiss off crimes by alleging that they’re civil problems. We already know that a crime is a civil problem. Don’t become accessories to felonies by shielding suspects in tort law. After the people prosecute them for their crimes, then victims can sue them for their torts.
Had Nicole SImpson been murdered in SBSO county, deputies would have told her family that it was a civil problem, which it fact is was; however, it was subordinated to the criminal act. The mystery is how such incompetents secure promotions.
Maybe voters of SB county can use the initiative process to institute a civilian review board that would be empowered to review applicants for promotion, assessing all supporting data in order to determine if a potential promotion is based upon merit or reward for comportment with sheriff demands, which is a fancy way of writing kissing ass.
Reports are easy to write if deputies have basic reasoning and logic skills and know their jobs. Every report must have all elements of crimes alleged and a cogent theory tying suspects to crimes. Also, reports should include, but isn’t necessary, proof that agency procedure was followed. I have read SBSO deputies’ reports that have completely mystified me. I once told a female deputy that she was so clueless that she could turn a 187 into a civil problem. What was sad was that it was 100% true. She literally couldn’t write a report to save her life. We can accept her incompetence. But I was amazed by how her trash was ever approved by her supervisor. Obviously her supervisor was more stupid that was she. So how in God’s name was s/he promoted to a position to allow what was essentially trash to become memorialized within the annals of SBSO’s records division?
I understand the concept of agency loyalty. It is a legitimate component of employer-employee contract. However, merit must reign supreme in determining suitability for promotion.
Maybe a civilian review board would prevent the Peter Principle from thriving in SBSO county. I known damned well that there are squared away deputies within SBSO. Why aren’t they promoted to position to effectuate desperately needed change?
R
R, DUDE, you need to understand that SBSD does have some fine folks working within the ranks. They don’t like any of the stuff going on anymore than anyone else. They to are scared to speak up and suffer.
Those who defend the regime are equally scared to be known, because they know full well someone might dogpile on them if they have baggage, and anyone who defends the regime is truly clueless on what is and has gone on around them, or they are liars and cheats themselves. But their bravery in the line of fire, is the keyboard. I submit they use others to fullfill their agenda’s, even when war is close and personal.
But your bashing of EVERYONE will piss off even those who try and keep an open mind.
YOU have never given any specific names of those you find clueless as cops or morons with badges. YOU have been asked numerous times by others.
But even a handful of bad interactions do not justifie the continued bashings of ALL within the ranks of SBSD, or anywhere else for that matter. But’s it’s America and the 1st Amendment is alive and well.
You like myself, have made the challenge to meet face to face with others who challenge our commentary.
If your going to meet with some SBSD employee and tell them how screwed up the department is, YOU BETTER have more than a couple of bad experiences in order to make your case, and expect any kind of respect or understanding.
Something that happened years ago, will NOT cut the mustard. But if you have a long and well defined history, that is another story.
Some of those who have bashed me, have been called on the phone once I figured out who they were. YOU have no idea how quickly they back pedaled when confronted. FUNNY as hell.
I know who the braves ones are. They would never be stupid enough to take a hit for this regime and expect to walk away unscathed in a public trial. But those who think otherwise can step up and be heard.
R, give it a rest on ALL the bashing. I know some of these people who post on here. I am sure many disagree with my comments and approach, when they have walked in my shoes they can be critical of me all they want. I will still respect them for their opinions. But if they just want to beat my ass, I am waiting!!!!
Many within SBSD serve with honor EVERYDAY. THOSE specific individuals who can be identified as CROOKS, morons or whatever else someone wishes to call them, have nothing coming and can defend themselves.
NO NEED to continue to try and prove who knows the penal code better.
DON’T be a “rat” by calling IA and making complaints. It’s like throwing rocks at the neighbor kids, then running into the house calling for mom, who in turn calls the cops and wants those kids arrested for coming after you. If you start a fight, FINISH it one way or another.
Just like jail deputies who threaten a 6’6″ buffed career criminal with kicking his ass if he don’t jump at their orders, then backing down when challenged by the inmate. YOU will have NO CREDIBILITY with those inmates EVER again.
At least take your ass whoppin from the inmate, you will have some respect by others as being a man of your word. BEEN there done that. IT WORKS!!!
I need to buy you a beer Kenny! BTW, those who “are scared to speak up and suffer” need to man-up. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Of course, the reason I retired as a Sgt and all of my peers retired as Lt’s or Capt’s is because I never learned to keep my mouth shut. They kept telling me, but I didn’t listen.
ACU, Great post!
Well thanks Mike, as to those Lt’s, Captains and others, with the IRNET deal going on, we might see sooner than later how that doesn’t work either.
I would bet anything some of those Lt’s and Captains have no concept of “death before dishonor” either. So consider the source would be my answer.
ACU,
I don’t bash. I write the truth that is factually supported. And there are deputies who post here with whom I’ve agreed. However, Blase’ wrote that were a 422 not reported to him when he thought it should, then, according to him, the crime had not occurred. I explained to him that when a crime is reported has no bearing on whether a crime had in fact occurred. Not even the definition of crime as codified in CPC 20 could change his mind. He insisted he was right and became quite hostile when he was proved wrong. What’s worse, he became a thug: he was willing to become violent unless he got his way.
I have always said that there are squared away deputies working SBSO. However, there are some who post here who lack even basic law enforcement knowledge. Other deputies have agreed. The squared away deputies don’t want to work with ones who don’t know statements are evidence.
Blase’ might otherwise be an all right guy. But to threaten violence because he refuses to accept that there is no reporting element of any crime reveals his true character. We can disagree all day long. Reasonable people will. However, one is no longer reasonable when s/he has to threaten violence to get his way. S/he becomes a criminal.
Socrates gave us the Socratic method of deducing knowledge. Knowledge is gained through reasoned debate. If what is in fact under discussion true, there is no need to force anyone to accept it. Through reasoned debate, truth will be fleshed out for those of a reasonable mind to discern.
ACU, you have to admit that Sgt & others who have defended the dirt bag deputy who violated his position of trust, honor, & respect by taking advantage of a child whom he was commissioned to protect and defend was destructive of SBSO’s reputation. What was alarming to me was that those who defended the dirt bag deputy outnumbered those who recognized him to be nothing more than a criminal. And that’s a huge concern. An honorable cop would have taken the child-victim to her parents with the recommendation that she seek treatment of a child psychiatrist.
ACU, I know there are squared away deputies at SBSO. But there are criminals in tan and green who willingly become CPC 31/273d & CPC 32/273d. It is not a defense to criminality that she lacked basic law enforcement knowledge and knowledge of substantive and adjective law. What made it worse for this moron of a deputy is that she wrote her opinion in her report that a four-year-old child appeared to her to have been coached then she wrote that the suspect, to whom she became an accessory, never denied the content of the statements of many criminal acts of child abuse, which were in fact evidence. To this day, the suspect still has not denied that she was good for felony child abuse. So how could a child have been coached if the suspect never denied the crimes??? As a direct result of her ineptitude, the child has suffered at least four more counts of felonious child abuse to which the deputy aided and abetted as a result of her malfeasance.
The child was cursed by having an inept moron respond. She didn’t protect the child. She harmed the child. Had a competent deputy had responded, justice would have prevailed.
When we do coffee I’ll bring the reports so you can read them. It’s no so alarming that a moron would include her opinion in a report that she could never defend because it was factually untrue, the fact that her supervisor approved her report with her ridiculous opinion in it is.
ACU, the sad fact is that I have knowledge of more SBSO malfeasance that the converse. But I do know that there are squared away deputies 10-8 at SBSO. However, if SBSO doesn’t become a professional law enforcement agency, when the economy improves I’d expect the squared away deputies to lateral. Until then deputies like Anonymous will continue to become accessory to serious felonies if the victims are dirt bags and uncooperative. I could have cared less if a crime victim was a dirt bag and uncooperative, if probable cause existed, the bad guy went to jail. Then it became the DA’s problem to coax the victim to cooperate. But the mere fact a victim was uncooperative did not negate the commission of a crime. Real cops take bad guys to jail. Anonymous kicks boxes through sage brush, which makes him derelict.
Take care,
R
Well you tried Kenny, I for one, appreciate your comments. I’m beginning to think “R” is a little cuckoo-for-coco-puffs!
Well R, try the approach of fronting off the individual by name then if your that upset and want vengence or whatever.
If you have your ducks in a row, then roll with the punches. Most can wrapped their arms around absolute incompetance. More than a few names mentioned and specifics attached to that on a number of issues here.
Never have and never will have time for a lazy POS who wears a badge and kisses stuff off. If their incompetance gets someone hurt or killed, I’ll be happy to help others kick them to the curb.
One of two things will happen. Someone will defend that person, or the person will come in here and defend themselves.
I’ve thrown more than my share down on this blog, I’ll do it to their face. Some have had that done long ago, I am just repeating what was said. Make no mistake I’d be happy to remind them if they forgot.
If I have a beef with Hoops, I damn sure am not going to make it sound like some deputy in Barstow is the problem. The message will be clear and leave NO DOUBT who I am talking about. Better that way.
“ACU, you have to admit that Sgt & others who have defended the dirt bag deputy who violated his position of trust, honor, & respect by taking advantage of a child whom he was commissioned to protect and defend was destructive of SBSO’s reputation.”
I am dumbfounded as to who I defended. I hope you aren’t speaking of Gastineau because I was on here saying send him to prison. In fact, I said I heard the brass at Highland at the time covered the whole thing up and they need to be fired as well.
Here is what I said about Gastineau,
“Raisuli, you don’t get it brotha. I am in no way whatsoever defending this piece of garbage. He was never my homie an I hope he does some serious time.”
I just noticed I had a spelling error in there as well. I left it just so the rearward pirate couldn’t accuse me of changing what I said.
Sgt,
He is a desperate tool, willing to lie and distort what everyone said to save face. Truth is he has no face, no credentials, and no backbone. You have maintained the same message, just like I have. Both were nothing like the spin Dr “R” spins. I am thankful as well to those who see “R” for what he truly is and saw that at no time did I make a direct threat towards him. He is pathetic, PERIOD. Those who can read and comprehend, unlike the infamous “R”, keep up the good fight, I appreciate it!!!!! And most of all,
Stay Safe
Sgt.
Maybe I am wrong, and if I am I’ll own up to it, but I am nearly certain that you got into it with another poster who wrote that you were a danger to children for your defense of the child molester. Maybe there’s another poster who uses the same moniker, but I recollect it was you who defended the child abuser. Maybe Administrator can bring up the original thread. That way we’ll know for sure.
R
Blase’,
Here’s what you wrote: “I had to apologize to Sharon cause frankly if I meet you id have a hard time not kicking the SHIT out of you..”
If that’s not a threat, what would you call it???
R
Sgt,
Aren’t you the same dude who tried to impress me with your accelerated degree? Didn’t you write that you were willing to compare your education to mine?
R
I will always be good with anyone who tries to prove that I have ever posted inaccurate info here.
R
I do not have an accelerated degree. I do remember stating I doubt you have more education than me and you assumed I had an accelerated degree. I am not going to post where I went to school nor for how long as that would be a sure fire way for the brass to figure out who I am. All of my schooling was done in classrooms and lectures at actual accredited schools. You really need to slow down and actually read what some people post. Take it in, digest it and use your massive brain power to really think through it because you assume a lot and I believe you lack some in the area of actual comprehension of what people write in here.
You have also said I defend the Dept and other criminals on SBSD. I am far from defending them. I am the first one to say that my Dept needs a major house cleaning. I will, however, defend many Deputies who I feel simply go to work and do a great job by doing the right thing. As ACU has said, not everyone on SBSD is corrupt. We have some great people from Public Information Clerks all the way through at least one or two Deputy Chiefs who I have respect for. It is the bad apples that stick out in any organization. Unfortunately, in our organization, we have many bad apples and I feel they also go all the way to the top.
Sgt,
Then I do believe it was you that defended the child molester. But if you deny it, I’ll go with your word. Sgt, as a young cop I was taught by my brother, who was a DDA at the time, that no one is always right. When it becomes obvious that you were wrong, admit it. If you don’t, you’ll risk become either a liar or a moron, either one destroying your worth as a cop.
I, too, have written that SBSO has quality cops. The problem for quality cops is that an entity is almost always defined by its worst. I know that this is unfair, but if you’ll recall, the media tried to paint LAPD as a gang of racists thugs. I worked 3 days with LAPD at the Rodney King riots. I worked alongside excellent LAPD cops. One was a Mexican chick. Her first words to me were that she knew that I was thinking that she had her job because of Affirmative Action. She knew the stigma of Affirmative Action and detested it. She told me that she had put herself though college and had to overcome other barriers in order to EARN her job. I had a lot of respect for her. She told me that Affirmative Action and Tom Bradley were ruining LAPD. And both did. It took Bratton, who was more like Daryl Gates than Daryl Gates was like Daryl Gates to restore its image as a preeminent law enforcement agency. But I doubt that it’ll ever recover the image it had prior to the political lynching known as Rodney King. Tom Bradley, Maxine Waters, Danny Bakewell, et al., instigated the Rodney King riots that left 56 dead, and not a damned thing happened to those criminals.
You have had to have read here that SBSO deputies believe that statements are not evidence, that there are jury instructions the declares statements to not be evidence, that deputies can practice law without a license, and that one deputy defends to the point of violence that he’s capable of legislating his own elements into the penal code. Then we have Anonymous who wrote that he’d kiss off serious felonies if the victims were uncooperative dirt bags. How does a cop like that remain employed with your agency? How does an SBSO deputy write her wholly unsupported opinion into a police report that resulted in allowing a serial child abuser to not only escape justice but to commit at least four more acts of child abuse? Does your agency condone deputies becoming principals & accessories to felonies? Does your agency allow cops to insert their opinions in police reports? How in God’s name does such gross incompetence and malfeasance slither past supervisors?
Sgt, you have to be aware of SBSO reputation among other law enforcement agencies. Maybe you might be in position to improve your agency’s status. Having a brother who does handle cases in your county & who went to law school with DDA’s & judges in your county, I can tell you that your agency is not highly respected. I have partied with many judges & DDA’s in your county. My brother has told me how your agency has completely screwed up winnable cases due to incompetence and ineptitude. And Sgt, let’s hope you’re the man to repair the horrible reputation of your agency.
Sgt, I know all agencies have their problem children. However, with SBSO the converse is true: it has some squared away deputies. My theory is that SBSO is the agency of last resort for cops who can’t get hired elsewhere. There are probably a few reasons for SBSOs status as last resort agency: pay & geography arguably the primary causes. Who in God’s name would want to go 10-8 in Trona for what the sheriff calls remuneration? I’d go into another line of work before I did that for a living. However, if the sheriff drastically increased pay for service in Trona, and I’m talking well over a 100k a year with a 32 hour work week allowing deputies to escape hell for 3 days a week, it might attract squared away deputies.
Sgt, you cannot deny that there is a paucity of law enforcement knowledge among SBSO deputies. Again, this could be due to the candidates it attracts. Had JustCurious possessed modicum of reasoning ability he could have deduced that statements are in fact evidence. Were they not, why “Miranda”? Why the Fifth Amendment? Exacerbating his gross incompetence, he had to lie to defend his lack of knowledge. He came up with some ridiculous lie that he knew of jury instructions that declared statements are not evidence. Again, lacking reasoning skills, if statements are not evidence, what would be the purpose of testimony? What’s sad is JustCurious exposed his gross incompetence on this blog yet your agency has done nothing to remove him from a patrol car. Doesn’t your agency fire deputies for malfeasance and gross dereliction of duty?
What about Anonymous? On this very blog, he wrote that he would willingly become accessory to felonies if a victims of felonies were a dirt bags and uncooperative. If that’s not dereliction of duty, what would be your definition? How does Anonymous still have a job with your agency? Does your agency condone deputies as accessories to felonies? What are you doing as a supervisor to have derelicts like JustCurious and Anonymous removed from the field? I know you do not want to be an enabler of malfeasance, and as a supervisor you’re going to want to avoid accusations of negligent omission. So, tell us Sgt, how are you going to resolve two deputies who have exposed themselves as incompetent derelicts? Are you going to allow them to remain 10-8 in patrol cars? Or are you going to build jackets on them?
With Blase’, I do admire his spirit. He does seem to be more on the ball than the average SBSO deputy, which is why I did not take his threat seriously; however, it was an obvious threat. I am down with reasonable people disagreeing. But his emotional desire to avoid admitting he was wrong precluded his ability to reason. There is no reporting element of any crime. And that can easily be reasoned. Every crime in CA is defined as when act meets intent. It’s that simple. When a crime is reported, if it’s ever reported, has no impact upon whether at some moment in time the requirements of CPC 20 were met. Sure, a lawyer might have difficulty overcoming certain aspects of a defense to a crime, but cops cannot practice law without a license. They cannot consider legal strategy when investigating crimes.
Sgt, I sincerely hope you’re the catalyst that results in SBSO drastically improving its image. I’ll leave you with this recommendation that applies to currently 10-8 SBSO deputies: identify those who lack knowledge and ability. Initiate an intensive rehabilitation program. Hire Devallis Rutledge, a cop turned prosecutor, to identify causes of problems, write curricula, plan courses, and send those deputies needing remedial training through them. Their assignments will be based upon assessment performance. This program will have to be rigorous, rigor being all the rage among educators, in order to determine if deputies have ability to grasp esoteric concepts and apply them. It’s one thing to know the Fourth Amendment, it’s another thing entirely to apply it. And entry issues seem to the causal of most agencies’ liability. God knows, I did know a few cops would could recite the 4th Amendment by heart, but they didn’t have clue one about how to apply it.
Sgt, if you’re close to Wrightwood, let’s meet with ACU & another cop I know for coffee and the Village Grind. Administrator is always welcome. Maybe we might just have more in common than the converse. Blase’ you’re good to join us. I know that you’re cool. Hell, I’ll even by your coffee. The Village Grind is an excellent coffee shop. But then again, so is Koffee Klatch in Laguna.
Had I had to do live over again, I would have applied to Laguna Beach PD. There’s virtually no crime except bikini violations, and everybody’s cool. Laguna cops actually wave at people & will stop & BS with them. And they get paid for that job. As Bob Dylan wrote, “I was so much older then, I’m younger than that now.”
I’d have given body part to have been at this concert where rock stars sang of wisdom that they had experienced was difficult to acquire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4UcaLHaabY
Some years ago, rock ‘n’ roll stars voted this the greatest rock song of all time. George wrote it & his good friend, Eric Clapton, played lead guitar. For the sake of this post we’ll forget Eric ran off with Patty Harrison. Towards the end of this performance there does appear to be some animosity going on between George and Eric.
Anyway, George was concerned that personal issues unrelated to the reason for the existence of the Beatles were destroying the greatest R&R band ever. So he wrote this song in effort to get Paul, John, and Ringo refocused on that which made it the greatest band ever. Maybe SBSO should adopt it as its theme song. Sweep its floor, remain alert, and don’t allow yourselves to become inverted and perverted. If that doesn’t work, it is an amazing performance. I have no idea why I haven’t been able to attend concerts where the greatest R&R stars ever perform together on stage, although I’d do another Bon Jovi concert. He reminds me of me, but others so far have been able to see it. Could be they’re blind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4UcaLHaabY
“R” I am offended. Here we are going to purchase a rooster together for a quick profit and I’m not even invited for coffee. Oh well looks like I will have to have another cup of joe with ACU. Now thats always fun.
R,
Do you understand the English language? Do you know what Reading Comprehension is? Is your brother the smart one which is why he was the DDA? Did you ride the little school bus wearing a helmet? Again, I will attach what i said so you will stop lying about it. Or maybe your not lying, if so I apologize, maybe you really are just dumb.
“Read my post clearly, if you can’t see how reporting the crime several days later, and like I said numerous times, the act of reporting it several days later does dictate that one of the elements was likely not met. So use your brain, think outside of your box, and extrapolate that “sustained fear” tho not spelled out for your single mindedness does not spell out for you specifically a time frame, those that can interpret words and phrases and know their meaning can understand that “sustained fear” can be an extremely important element that needs to be “investigated” and if during your questioning it is determined that the element was not met, then YOU HAVE NO CRIME. What about that do you not understand? It’s called an “investigation” for a reason.” It’s pretty clear “R” isn’t it.
So, at this point if your threatened by my comment grow a pair. If you still don’t understand what I have clearly explained rea an investigation of 422PC looking like, then I can’t help you, stay retired. Either way agree to agree or disagree, I don’t care which, but move on and stop misrepresenting what I have said. That’s the end of it. Good day!!!
Sgt, I have NO ISSUES with you now, or EVER in the past. YOU have been more than helpful on information that goes against the grain, on all that has been said long before R and others came along.
R, AT NO TIME has Sgt EVER in anyway shape or form defended a child molester or anything close to that. Your memory is flawed. Sgt has been here for a long time now, and offered MORE than his share of info, that would cost him his butt and stripes. So have many others for that matter.
He has done battle with his own people fighting Hoops cheerleaders during the campaign a couple years ago. He has stood his ground on what he believes. He has my respect.
NOW I ask you respectfully to STFU on SBSD deputies. YOU do not know, have no PERSONAL interaction with those you challenge, you have no physical evidence to prove your theories or comments against these bloggers.
YOU have a police report from long ago. YOU have a personal opinion that you have expressed repeatedly on the SAME general topic. YOU ADD nothing new to the mix on SBSD corruption. NOTHING!!!
If that is all you have, YOU have a piece of USED bubblegum and an old cup of coffee from 7-11 for AMMO in the big picture.
You have a past incident that involves your EX and KIDS, OKAY!!!! Your not happy with the SBSD deputy who handle the case. YOU have made that clear more than once. YOU have some NEW shit you would like to add to the pile of manur, PILE IT ON.
If you didn’t file a CITIZEN COMPLAINT, or file a CIVIL SUIT against SBSD or the Deputy, then YOU should be quiet after all this complaining.
YOU after ALL this time have offered NO physical proof that ALL or MANY SBSD are POS’s.
YOUR info is OLD, you knowledge of LE is OUTDATED as to this GEOGRAPHICAL area
NOW put up or shut up. I don’t give a SHIT about your history lessons and political philosophy in the time of war on corruption.
Hmm R, I cannot remember Sgt. ever standing up for a child molester. If my memory serves me correctly, he took me to task over my feeling that the Big Bear year book witch hunt was just that. If anything it seems to me that Sgt. has a zero tolerance policy of anyone who appears to have perpetrated even the slightest sexually related crime toward a child.
I read only a small portion of the comments on this blog, so someone can correct me if I’m wrong. All of the old posts are at http://www.iepolitics.net.
Blase’,
Again, I disagree. The crime of CPC 422 is complete when act meets intent. If sustained fear was present, then the crime was complete. Why the victim waited to report it to you has no bearing on whether the elements of CPC 422 were present. If a victim calls you months later and tells you that at the time an alleged CPC 422 occurred s/he was in sustained fear, the crime was complete. Your job at that point is to take a DR and arrest the bad guy.
I will agree that a lawyer might later have difficulty overcoming a delay in reporting, but the fact of the matter is it has no bearing whether a CPC 422 occurred.
Blase’, I have no idea why you’re having difficulty with this concept. There is no reporting requirement in CPC 422 or any crime. What is controlling is that a violation of CPC 422 was complete when act met intent.
Maybe you should talk to a DDA for edification.
There are two concepts that seem to be confusing you. The first is whether a CPC 422 was complete. The second is what a lawyer might do with the alleged crime. Your job is to determine if a crime has been committed. The lawyer’s job is determining whether s/he can prove it.
Blase’ as long as PC exists, your arrest will be valid regardless of what a lawyer might do with the suspect.
Blase’ there is no reporting element of any crime. If a rape victim were to report her victimization a year later, would it have any bearing on whether a year earlier she had been raped? Were a woman tell me she had been raped a year earlier and didn’t want to report it due to her personal reason, I’d arrest the suspect and let the DA figure out how s/he is going to prosecute it. My job is to determine whether a crime occurred, and a victim’s statements are sufficient to establish PC, and arresting the bad guy. Prosecuting such crimes, such was the case of Mike Tyson, usually boils down to whose testimony (statements) a jury believes. Regardless of whom the jury believes has no bearing on whether PC existed to arrest the bad guy. They are two distinct concepts.
OJ got away with murder. Was his arrest invalid because he was found not guilty, not to be confused with a finding of innocence?
Blase’, answer this question for me: all elements of CPC 422 occurred including sustained fear. But the victim does not report the crime until a month later. Did the crime of CPC 422 occur?
Take care,
R
Administrator,
Thanks. I stand corrected. Sgt, I hope you accept my apology.
Take care,
R
Senior Blogger,
Of course you’re invited for coffee. Bring info on training an eagle to act like a chicken. Maybe we can youtube Foghorn Leghorn episodes for ideas. We could male big money on that venture.
Just my luck, the damned eagle will attack me. And I won’t even get a scrambled egg dinner out of the deal.
R
Sgt,
Your coffee and breakfast is on me. When I am wrong, I will own up to it. That’s the way I roll.
Let me know when you can do the Grizzly in Wrightwood & I’ll be there, and I will pick up your check. Buy you’ll have to pick up your own waitress. If she has a friend, drop my name.
Adios,
Tom
R,
Your the only one who brings up the lawyer b.s. You fail to understand the concept of an INVESTIGATION. In your scenario, as laid out above, of course it occurred. The scenario we were discussing prior we can agree to disagree. I am not going to re-visit it again with you. Satisfied? Cause believe me, you being satisfied and gaining your approval is very important to me.
Stay Safe
We keep posting of doing coffee, yet we never do. Let’s get our acts together and do coffee. Blase’, I’d appreciate your coming. Our differences should not prevent us from becoming friends. I am willing to drive, but Wrightwood has a couple really cool coffee shops. Administrator, please come. You’ll be the presiding queen of coffee. It will be a lot of fun. More importantly, we can gain a better understanding of who we are. Odds are we have more in common than not. And I do know jokes that’ll keep you laughing for hours.
Sgt, I owe you coffee & breakfast. When I’m wrong I will own up to it.
Let’s find a date & location that’ll work for everyone & git er dun!
R
Blase’,
Every crime involves an investigation. That’s how cops determine whether a crime occurred.
Then we agree. When a crime is reported has no bearing on whether it has occurred. And that’s all I was trying to flesh out. Victims neglect to notify cops for various reasons. But none of their reasons negate the commission of a crime.
Adios,
R
ACU,
What exactly are you trying to convey?
R
Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.
R
Joe Mudd’s Coffee and Pie “an excellent place in Wrightwood.
P
Wow, Kenny. I’m still not at all fond of you. But you do get am “atta boy” for finally telling the blowhard that he’s, well.. a blowhard.
R, I thought I was clear on what I was attempting to convey in my last two postings, enough said on this.
Just Curious,
Here is what you posted:
JustCurious on September 20, 2011 at 5:54 PM said:
“Raisuli you are a complete moron who lumps everyone into the same group. Just because you hear things and have had a “bad” run in or things aren’t done your way doesn’t mean they’re done the wrong way. I remember you saying something about you working as a cop in orange county by the beach. If you took half as many reports as deputies lets say in Victorville then you can talk. The guy who was arrested will be fired, he’s a new boot. You also stated, “She doesn’t even know that statements are evidence”. that just shows that you are a moron. They are not evidence, they are hearsay. Hence why a police report will never get put into evidence. Hence why people have to testify. Statements are not evidence, there’s even jury instructions that say that statements are not evidence. So before you start bashing all of SBSO just stfu and know what you’re talking about.”
Let’s contrast what you’ve posted on 9/20/2011 with what you’ve posted on February 25, 2012:
JustCurious on February 25, 2012 at 6:00 PM said:
HAHAHAH I think you cut and paste. Considering all you did is your same ol same ol BS. His threat was not PC 422. You are absolutely retarded I swear. You definitely are a lil bitch. We are seeing the true side of you come out. HAHA you are a JOKE R…nuff said.
FYI I said you use statements to build probable cause and if in fact statements were evidence there would be no need to testify at the Prelim you moron…GTFOH
JustCurious, you originally definitively posted that statements are not evidence, and that you alleged that you knew of “jury instructions” that declare statements are not evidence.
Now you’re contradicting yourself by acknowledging that statements are evidence.
At least you have learned valuable knowledge from this blog.
BTW, anything used to prove the truth of the matter is evidence. If a police report is used to prove the truth of the matter, then by definition it is evidence.
R
JustCurious,
You can read the rest of what you posted on statements here: http://iepolitics.net/2011/09/19/iepolitics-here-is-the-question/#comments
I posted to instructions and got no reply twice. That shows me you obviously ate mud. Statements are hearsay. Statements cannot be used by themselves n a trial or prelime without special circumstances. So statements by themselves have to be testified to before they become evidence. But you know its whatever. Peace
Sgt,
I did the research. You are right. I am wrong. I had honestly confused you with another poster. And for that I am truly sorry. I hope you’ll accept my invitation for breakfast. It’s the least I can do to set things right.
Here’s the link: http://iepolitics.net/2011/06/21/iepolitics-now-that-gloria-allred-is-involved/#comments
while I was perusing archives, I was amazed at how many corruption stories that have appeared on this blog about BS county & SBSO.
Adios,
R
Blase’,
What was the essence of our contention? I merely tried to explain to you that when a crime is reported has no bearing on whether a crime occurred. And now you agree with me. Maybe somewhere there was a communication breakdown: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqF3J8DpEb4&ob=av2n
Adios,
R
ACU,
Why would you ask me to “STFU on SBSD deputies”? Isn’t that the essence of your postings? Isn’t that the essence of this blog? Are we not supposed to be examining what’s occurring in our governmental entities? Isn’t that what you do?
ACU, find just one post of mine where I have unfairly or unjustly attacked any SBSO deputy? I have already apologized to Sgt for my error. And that was an honest error. And if I recall correctly, I once posted to Sgt that he did appear to be squared away. He does seem to have thorough knowledge of law enforcement and criminal & procedural law.
ACU, the fact of the matter is that I respond to what has been posted. I have not initiated posts condemning actions of SBSO deputies. And the deputies I have debated here were clearly in the wrong, and you have concurred on most of them. What’s most disconcerting for me is that they have a propensity to posture themselves in an untenable position and defend it in defiance of reason and logic. I know that there are a whole lot of things in life about which I am clueless. However, when another tries to enlighten me about something I don’t know, I accept their efforts. For should I deny an opportunity to gain knowledge, I would cheat myself.
The sad reality, ACU, is that while arguably all agencies have their problem children, SBSO seems to have a disproportionate share. Why would you suppose this is true?
“Sorry don’t get it done, Dude.”
John Wayne to Dean Martin, “Rio Bravo”
ACU, we’re all going to screw up in life. Some will be worse than others. When it involves one’s child who as suffered additional abuse because of malfeasance, sorry don’t get it done.
ACU, as a former cop, you ought to know that it’s not too difficult to allow water to roll off one’s back. That is not the case where one’s children are involved. Parents will willingly die in effort to save their children.
ACU, I am not sure where you’re coming from. I’ve read and learned from your posts about dereliction of duty and malfeasance committed by SBSO deputies. Are you asserting that you’re the sole purveyor of that information? Why would your posts not be considered bashing but mine are? What rule of distinction are you using?
The fact of the matter, ACU, is that I have replied to various topics. Like every one of us, we’re interested in some topics more than others. Like you, I am interested in law enforcement and law enforcement corruption.
ACU, now I am asking you to find one instance where I was wrong, just one, save Sgt. Even Blase’ finally admitted that I was right. And hopefully it will accord him opportunity to better respond to calls for service. The fact of the matter is that had Blase’ thought about his belief that a crime had to be reported when he thought it should and reconciled his belief with CPC 20, there would have been no argument. When a crime is reported is never an element to any crime. Now it’s time to put this one to rest.
ACU, you know that deputies who post here have essentially admitted to dereliction of duty and have gone out of their way to defend it. Believe me, I know what it’s like to go 10-8 and from call-to-call with no break and write DR’s until the sun rises. But the fact of the matter is that regardless of call, professionalism was demanded. Had I screwed up because I was unaware of substantive or adjective law, it would have been no defense. Had I screwed up a call, especially a felony, I would have expected to be disciplined and maybe receive days off. For screwing up some calls, especially felony crimes against persons, sorry wouldn’t have gotten it done.
There’s a great old song by Elvis entitled, “Walk a Mile in My Shoes”. Please allow my suggesting your listening to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc-YCcP1HrU
ACU, it’s extremism to allege that I have bashed anyone or that I have bashed every SBSO deputy. I have remained true to Socratic debate in fleshing out knowledge. I have remained neutral in the Kephart story because I don’t have necessary facts to opine validly. However, I will concede that it does not look favorable for the deputies involved. And to be honest, I have no idea how Kephard died. The crucial question is whether he would have died regardless of force applied. I so not know the answer to that question.
ACU, I have acknowledged that there are good cops working SBSO. However, as is true of all entities, an organization is almost always defined by its worst. While it’s unfair, it’s true nonetheless. The media destroyed LAPD’s reputation because of the Rodney King arrest. The press propagandized us by referring to a fleeing felon as a motorist and his arrest as a beating. LAPD might never recover the destruction it sustained to its once enviable reputation because of an unscrupulous media.
I think meeting for coffee would do us all a lot of good. It’s always better to discuss in person. It’s easier to clarify communication errors. And we can actually discern emotion that accompanies conversation that is lost in blog postings. I will pick up Sgt’s breakfast check. I owe him that. When I’m wrong I will own up to it and do what’s fair to set things straight. And I’ll even be good for Blase’ coffee. There should have never been a disagreement between us.
Vaya Con Dios, Mi Amigo,
R
Hi Paul,
Is that the relatively new place at the top of Park?
If we do manage to get a coffee gig going, I hope you can make it. I’d enjoy listening to your campaign platform.
Adios,
R
“R” The problem I have with you, and I’m sure it’s what ACU is referring to, is your postings paint ALL SBSD personnel with a wide brush. We’ve never met, and I know our opinions of each other have changed over time, but with my (and anyone else’s from SBSD) first post I’m sure your opinion started with “you’ve must have been Peter principled” to reach the rank of Sgt.
I’ve worked with several of the guys; some are/were lazy, some were go-getters, some (of each group) are/were assholes, some are/were morons. The problems, with most, is that they were motivated by the expectations of their supervisors. Most of those supervisors were trying to look good for their supervisors and not trying to do what’s right/good for the Dept. In my last several years I found that shit rolled easily DOWN hill, but seldom rolled UP hill. I think the only hope for change is for SBSD to figure out how to defy the laws of gravity.
You obviously dealt with representatives of the lazy/moron group, who made the entire Dept. look bad. What ACU is trying to say is LIGHTEN UP on the guys, until you have reason to cite an individual as lazy/asshole/moron.
Also; I find it hard to believe you have EVER dealt with CHP in a REAL criminal investigation. Your comments vis-à-vis the CHP are insulting to those of us that have had to handle many “CHP Turnovers” (non-traffic ‘criminal’ cases where they catch ‘em and “we” have to clean ‘em and fry ‘em).
Hope that clears things up a bit. Stay safe everyone, and to all of you that are eligible – RETIRE! Things aint getting’ any better.
JustCurious,
Your jury instructions did not in declare statements to not be evidence.
JustCurious, if you were to reason your way through this, you’d be able to figure it out. First we can begin with the 5th Amendment, which protects against self-incrimination. If a person cannot be force to testify against himself, then obviously statements are evidence.
Then we can examine “Miranda”. I am sure, “…anything you say can wan will be used against you in a curt of law,” rings a bell with you. Again, we’re dealing with statements as evidence.
If, following your reasoning, statements are not evidence, why would cops even bother recording statements?
How are you able to reconcile your belief that statements are not evidence when they’re testimony in a courtroom, which were statements prior to trial, and are used to convict to acquit. Remember, JustCurious, that ANYTHING used in a courtroom to prove the truth of the matter is evidence.
JustCurious, if you are right, then no one has ever been convicted based upon testimony alone. Do you believe this? Rape cases almost always hinge on her testimony that consent was not given.
JustCurious, I am not sure if your pride is refusing you to admit that you’re wrong, or if you really believe you’re right. Let’s hope it’s not the latter. JustCurious, I can guarantee you that everyone who has read your thread defending your position that statements are not evidence and your continued insistence in defiance of overwhelming proof to the contrary knows your wrong. Now you’re at the point to risking becoming known as a liar or a moron; either one will destroy your worth as a cop.
JustCurious, subscribe to the California Peace Officers Legal Source Book. There’s an entire chapter in it about statements.
I’ll leave you with this. The OCDA’s office used to tell cops to bring it anything, but bring it a confession, which is a statement, and it’ll file.
JustCurious, as in most quandaries in live, you can usually find your way out of them if you take time to use reason and logic.
Best of Luck,
R
Fassari,
That I have painted all SBSO with a wide brush is simply not true. I have addressed specific issues along with what what cops of other agencies have told me about SBSO. Much of that information, while reliable, is third party. However, I have direct knowledge of God knows how many crimes SBSO deputies have screwed up.
Fassari, hopefully you’re not skewering the messenger for bearing facts. Conversely, I do know that there are squared away SBSO deputies. Unfortunately, its the ones who allow a 10-32 11550 suspect to walk away and his female counterpart, who was also 11550 and who turned up dead in an Hesperia hotel a couple days later are the ones wearing the coveralls. God only knows how many stories of which I have direct knowledge about SBSO deputies screwing up calls, including a very winnable CPC 653f, solicitation because the informant was working the SBSO detective, not vice versa. It’s so bad that a lieutenant of my former agency with whom I used to work personally told me that SBSO is screwed up. Ditto for my former dentist who was an OC reserve in an aero bureau. So how did SBSO manage to acquire a reputation of infamy?
So maybe it might be a good idea for ACU to not paint me with a wide brush, but acknowledge that SBSO does seem to have a disproportionate share of derelict deputies, and devise a solution for what might be a fatal disease. Even SBSO deputies who have posted here seem to be fed up with other SBSO deputies who are contributing to its unenviable reputation.
Fassari, I have always been good with letting facts fall where they may. And it is a fact that I have recognized exemplary SBSO deputies. What’s sad is that they’re outnumbered by deputies who should have never been hired.
Hasta Luego Amigo,
R
R,
ACU allow me……. “R” once again you either intentionally, or through your inability to understand and comprehend what you have read, distorted the truth. Please, do me a favor, show me EXACTLY where I admitted to being wrong or agreed with you regarding the conversation that initiated this debate. Go ahead, prove yourself not a liar and distorter of the truth. You won’t because I clearly stated other wise.
Now seriously, if you can’t tell the truth, don’t go away a liar, just go away. Perhaps you have enough sense to save face and at the very least agree to disagree. But, allow me to share something with you. I do not take kindly to those who question my integrity or resolve. If you haven’t figured it out already, I can be an agreeable and reasonable person, conversely, when someone want’s to disrespect me, we’ll lets just say I can be equally disagreeable.
I don’t need big words to get my point across do I? I subscribe to the KISS motto……. If you went to a Police Academy and were in report writhing class you would know what that means. You should try it some time. You might like it.
Oh, one last thing, be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem. Either be constructive or keep your unsolicited and unqualified criticisms where they belong, with every other asshole right? Cause they are like opinions right?
Fassari,
You know, the last sentence of your last post is indicative of the current state of law enforcement. We’re both old enough to remember when law enforcement was fun, when we were captains of our ships. We did what we wanted, we arrested who we wanted without having to have our arrests approved, when our bosses trusted us to make our own decisions. And it was a time when camaraderie actually existed.
I believe it was the intentional distortion of the Rodney King arrest that ushered in a new era of law enforcement, an era in which camaraderie that made the job envious was intentionally destroyed by bureaucrats and politicians. It seems as though they’ve identified the bond among cops as a threat to their positions of power.
In the late 90′s I was assigned to grade night problems at a local academy. In a scenario, two deputies, one male & the other female, confronted a hostile suspect. The suspect goaded a deputy to use necessary force to control him. The suspect immediately turned to the female deputy and demanded that she arrest her partner for battery. I was deeply saddened by the deputy’s actually considering arresting her partner. She was literally lost in confusion. Had it been an authentic call, she would have been a danger to herself and her partner. Worse, she had transferred control of the incident to the dirt bag.
After a few minutes of watching this this fiasco unfolding, I took her aside and explained to her that she should’ve never considered arresting her partner. Rather, she should have cuffed the dirt bag and drove him to jail. En route, she should have called her supervisor and apprised her/him of the circumstances of the arrest. I explained to her that her potentially fatal mistake was surrendering control to the dirt bag.
I am not sure what academies are teaching recruits now, but I do know that they’re teaching them to report their fellow cops when they see what they BELIEVE is excessive force. This will cause cops to become suspicious of each other, which I’m sure was the intended outcome. The consequence is that cops will hesitate when they ought not thereby placing their lives in danger.
It is a different gig than when we were 10-8. It seems as though that cops are no longer trusted; that they’re presumed guilty, as was the title of Stacy Koon’s book.
The unintended consequence is that it discourages quality candidates from considering law enforcement. Who in God’s name wants to enter a micromanaged career where s/he is constantly in fear of performing her/his job? Worse, squared away cops who know their action see moron cops get promoted off their knees, or because they’re connected to someone who’ll assure they’re promoted ahead of those who actually deserve it. Merit is no longer the defining criterion when it comes to promotions. And the consequence of that is that when we see a cop of rank our first thought is whether s/he was meritoriously promoted of if s/he was promoted off her/his knees.
For those of us who knew law enforcement when it was fun, we know the halcyon days of law enforcement were buried when the media propagandized Rodney King’s arrest. It gave politicians and bureaucrats excuse to micromanage it and destroy that which made it a fantastic career: its camaraderie. It seems as though Young Turks of the profession are willing to shank their brethren in their backs in order to advance their careers because they’re unable to earn promotion based upon merit.
A buddy of mine who recently retired after a 30+ year career told me that cops are hesitant to take risks because they fear losing their jobs, their pensions, everything they own, and possibly their freedom. When we were cops and we screwed up, we admitted to it and took our lumps. Now administrators seem to want to destroy cops who had honorable intentions of doing the right thing, but it turned out wrong.
Who knows, maybe I’m missing something with the kicking a box analogy. I hope not. But maybe kicking a box as opposed to enforcing the law is how administrators now want cops to perform their jobs. After all, if cops do nothing, then cowardly administrators won’t have to attempt to justify anything or fear having to defend their cops. It seems that many law enforcement administrators are like politicians: they’ll do anything to prevent themselves from having to find real jobs!
Adios Hombre,
R
Blase’,
Was that advice you were giving to yourself?
Do recall what Shakespeare wrote about protest the loudest?
It doesn’t matter. I never cared for Shakespeare anyway. As far as I know he never wrote a classic like “Dirty Harry” or “Red River”. Shakespeare existed to cause students to stress over literature of nebulous value. Were I an English teacher, I’d assign kids to read Joseph Wambaugh. Now there’s some useful stuff right there!
R
R
Blase’
Here was the question I asked of you:
“Blase’, answer this question for me: all elements of CPC 422 occurred including sustained fear. But the victim does not report the crime until a month later. Did the crime of CPC 422 occur?”
Here was your reply:
“In your scenario, as laid out above, of course it occurred.”
And that’s the essence of our discussion, when a crime has occurred. Reporting is never an element of any crime. I hope you now understand this fact. But maybe you still don’t get it. Blase’ get this FACT straight: as per CPC 20, A CRIME OCCURS WHEN ACT MEETS INTENT. WHEN A CRIME IS REPORTED IS NEVER AN ELEMENT TO ANY CRIME. If you reason your way through it, you’ll be able to figure out why reporting is never an element of any crime.
Blase’ when you’re wrong, and you were wrong in declaring that if a victim of a CPC 422 doesn’t report it to you when YOU think s/he should then in your naive opinion the crime didn’t occur, you are forced to make a decision that will reveal your character. You can insist that you’re right when everyone else knows you’re wrong thereby causing you to lose credibility, or you can lie, which will destroy your credibility. How will you decide?
Your job is to investigate alleged crimes, gather evidence including statements of victims, witnesses, & suspects, develop PC to arrest, and ID and arrest the suspect. That’s where your job ends. For there lawyers decide what to do with any case, not you. In fact, you have absolutely no ability to affect what occurs in a courtrooms. Lawyers will tell you what they will want you to do.
And, Blase’ it was you who busted out the lawyer thing. You even cut ‘n’ pasted from a lawyer’s Website THAT IN WHOLE REFUTED YOUR REPORTING REQUIREMENT THING YOU HAVE GOING ON. There was not a damned thing in that cut ‘n’ paste job you had going on that had anything to do with your reporting element that you mad up.
Blase’ the penal code comes to cops as written by elected legislators. Cops have zero ability to legislate their own elements into it or subtract elements from it.
Buenas Dias,
R
Rather than beating each other up on the blog and trying to prove who’s dick is bigger, can we get back on track? How the fuck did John Emmens make Lieutenant? He’s a fat, worthless pile of shit. It’s a slap in the face to all the hard working Sergeants out there.
Well GBT, I’ll start.
Emmons got promoted because he wears many different hats. Like when he worked for Glenn Pratt, he took the Mormon approach in asking god for forgivness for his sins.
When he dealt with Cook, he put on his newly purchased knee pads from Home Depot, told Cook he was much better than J.Edgar Hoover ever was as a crime fighter whenever he could.
I’ll assume a little her, when he dealt with Big Moma, it was how awesome she was as a leader, and one of the best female cops he ever had the pleasure of working around.
How am I doing so far?
He wanted to be a shark, but those guys called BS on him. He was upset and kicked the can down the road, turned against them talking smack whenever he could, especially when managment put their sights on them.
Despite his many issues of poor judgement, out right misconduct, because of his hard work on his knees, those important issues were over looked.
The brass may have been impressed with his down right threatening and hostile behavior with certain employees he would front off from time to time in briefings, using language you would not want your Mom to hear.
Of course seldom, or never challenged out front, his courage continued to grow. The brass loved that approach, and decided he would be an excellent henchman for the regime.
Everyone else feel free to fill in the blanks.
GBT,
“R” has a bigger dick, just ask him……LoL
“R” your clueless. You posted exactly what I said and you still don’t get it. I can’t help you, I don’t have a cure for “retard”. Carry On…….I am done with you , GBT made a solid point.
Stay Safe
Well ACU let me take this time to maybe fill in a few blanks.
John Emmons should have never been promoted. Over the years he has aligned himself with worthless POS to further his career. Big Mama, Cook and his little sawed off ego hound friend Garland to name a few.
He loved winking at you and pretending that he “had you back”. The problem was you would always have to keep both of your eyes on his hands because you needed to know what was in them. You were either going to get stabbed or punked by him at some time.
I talk from experience with this guy not some BS that someone else may have seen or heard.
This is the type of guy that would come up to you and tell you what a great guy you were then go into a staff meeting and climb into the driver’s seat of the bus and totally run your ass over. The minute that the staff meeting was over he would then make sure that he would hunt you down and tell you what others were saying about you but leave out the part of him driving the bus.
I loved it when he would seek out wisdom from his old Mormon friend “No balls” Pratt only to leave his office and go home that night and kill a fifth of Jack.
It all figures out now why they over looked the last tasing incident that he was involved in. How could you promote your boy when it could be proven that he was a liar?
And the funny thing is he fits the mold of the upper staff. He like so many of the others would not have a problem terminating someone for lying to them without even thinking about it for a second.
Here is a guy that had nothing but problems when he was assigned to Narcotics but now we are sending him back there to supervisor the teams.
And who was it that said getting on your knees or taking a hit for your friends (no pun intended Big Mama) would never get you promoted? Well here’s living breathing proof they were wrong.
DANG Senior, sounds like someone should take Emmons out for coffee. NO VIDEO cameras allowed.
A first cousin of James Mills no doubt.
John don’t get butt hurt pal, just given you the same love you gave SO MANY others, the only difference, the audience is MUCH bigger than a briefing room.
Nicer yet, NO SLANDER and LIABLE can be applied. The witness list would be a thick as a phone book on the truth of the matter.
Hopefully the DEA and other departments attached to IRNET will soon learn your antics, and demand you be replaced before something bad happens. Or better yet some old school cops who have nads, will take you out for a beer and explain your shortcomings to you.
John make sure you take good care of Warner too. Just try and keep him off your leg.
Blase’,
Are you trying to tell me that on another thread you did not post that if a victim of a CPC 422 did not report the crime to you until a day after it occurred that the delay in reporting would negate sustained fear hence no crime was committed? Are you trying to tell me that you did not in fact post this?
R
R- “There’s a great old song by Elvis entitled, “Walk a Mile in My Shoes”. Please allow my suggesting your listening to it:”
YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO YOUR OWN ADVICE!
Hoops has f’ed our department up. When will others get it. He allows this shit and loves it. Screw this. We need to break away from SEBA and start another association. hey give Ramos, Hoops and other low lifes money and this continues. John Emmons should have never been promoted. Great job sheriff hoops. Screw up promotes more suckers than ever.
Senior, or tased.
“You were either going to get stabbed or punked by him at some time.”
http://iepolitics.net/2011/07/06/iepolitics-a-complaint-to-internal-affairs/#comments
Blase’
Let’s take a look at what you did in fact post about an illusory reporting element of CPC 422:
Blase’ on January 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM said:
“R,
As usual you are full of it. I am sorry that your aren’t able to apply common sense. You must be the guy who goes around taking paper all day on cases that aren’t even a crime, but you got nothing better to do because your aren’t a hunter. I am not defending any stupid comments made prior to yours, if they don’t know what the elements are then that’s on them. In this particular situation your truly superior intelligence is blinding your ability to see the obvious. Based entirely on what you replied to, in a situation where the victim reports the crime several DAYS later IS an element of the crime. Even you would have to agree you overly exaggerated the simplicity of 422PC. Merely applying common sense say’s that arguably all of the elements are not met if reported days later barring exigent circumstances. Since you like proof, under the law, if the victim is only in fear “momentairly” etc. etc. then it is NOT CRIMINAL THREATS. 14 People v. Fierro (2010) 180 Cal.App.4th 1342, 1349. (“” Sustained fear” refers to a state of mind. As one court put it, “[d]efining the word ‘sustained’ [in section] by its opposites, we find that it means a period of time that extends beyond what is momentary, fleeting or transitory.” ( People v. Allen (1995) 33 Cal.App.4th 1149, 1151, 1153, 40 Cal.Rptr.2d 7 ( Allen ).)”)
Simply put, you call me DAYS later and have no reason as to why you took so long to report it, yes, you have already failed to meet all the elements. Clearly the fear was momentary. I agree that 90% + of crimes aren’t diminished because of the time in which it takes to report it. This example, perhaps, is clearly not the best choice to use to drive your point home because in actuality you are not entirely correct. Depending on the threat and the circumstances surrounding the ENTIRE SITUATION, I would not discourage an incident report being taken however. Food for thought.
Stay Safe”
Let’s analyze what you wrote for accuracy. Here’s your first revelation of knowledge paucity as contributed by you:
“Merely applying common sense say’s that arguably all of the elements are not met if reported days later barring exigent circumstances.”
The irony here is not only a total lack of common sense in this sentence, but lack of actual knowledge of substantive law. Here you’re declaring that whether all elements of a crime have been completed is a function of when it’s reported. There is no intellectual or factual basis for your belief. There is no element within ANY crime the requires reporting within any time constraint. You made this reporting element up and have hung your reputation on it. You would not be as far behind as you now are if you had just admitted you were wrong.
Here you insisted upon exposing your lack of substantive law:
“Simply put, you call me DAYS later and have no reason as to why you took so long to report it, yes, you have already failed to meet all the elements. Clearly the fear was momentary.”
Blase’, CPC 20 defines when a crime has occurred. There is nothing in that statute or any criminal statute that supports your theory, which isn’t really a theory because your point does not provide basis for Socratic debate. That’s because it lacks intellectual and factual merit. BLASE’, GET THESE FACTS STRAIGHT: WHEN A CRIME IS REPORTED IS NEVER AN ELEMENT OF ANY CRIME. WHY A VICTIM DELAYS REPORTING A CRIME IS NEVER AN ELEMENT OF ANY CRIME. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THESE FACTS?
How in God’s name would you know that, “Clearly the fear was momentary”? Blase’, if a CPC 422 victim tells you s/he was in sustained fear, why would assume s/he wasn’t? Wouldn’t you want to attempt to get the suspect’s statement? What the hell would you do if the suspect told you that 6 months ago when s/he committed the crime s/he intended to inflect sustained fear upon the victim? Are you going to kiss off the obviously committed felony because the victim delayed reporting it for her/his personal reason that has nothing to do with the corpus of the crime?
Blase’, here’s the gist of your problem: you don’t know your job. Your job is to determine whether a crime was committed, collect evidence including statements of all parties involved, tie the bad guy to the crime, identify and arrest the bad guy, book the bad guy, cogently document your investigation, and submit it to your DA’s office for disposition.
Blase’, attorneys argue presence or lack of elements to a jury. Whether sustained fear was in fact present is not your call. A DDA will attempt to prove the element was present. A defense attorney will attempt to prove it wasn’t. The jury or judge in a court trial will determine what is true, not you. Blase’, this process is true for every element of a crime. Do you understand this fact? Stop playing Perry Mason and start playing cop. When you play Perry Mason you risk being good for practicing law without a license.
Blase’, I admire your tenacity; however, you seem to have a propensity to allow your pride to preclude rational thinking. Remember your job; never assume role of attorney. If a victim were to tell you that six months ago he was a victim of CPC 422 and there is no legitimate or factual reason to disbelieve him, especially if the suspect admits to it, and you kiss it off because of a lack of knowledge of substantive law, you risk becoming an accessory to a felony and Deputy Derelict. Remember your job. You do your job and let attorneys do theirs. Blase’ remember that all crimes are alleged until proved true in court. With this FACT in mind, it will be up to a jury or a judge in a court trial to determine what is in fact true, not you. Determination of truth necessary to convict or acquit is not your job. It is the job of juries or judges in court trials to determine what is in fact true, and that includes the element of sustained fear of CPC 422. Do you understand this fact, Blase’?
Blase’, law enforcement is an extremely complex career requiring a broad breadth of knowledge. It was far more intellectually demanding than another professional position I held that also required a professional credential. I used to be a voracious reader of law enforcement journals including the “California Peace Officers Legal Source Book” & the “FBI LE Bulletin”. I used to bust my ass in effort to grasp law enforcement knowledge. What helped me most was my ability to think, which allowed me to establish links between concepts. I know that I am not MENSA material, but I compensate for lacking that status by relying upon prior knowledge -what I already know to be true- and combining it along with reason and logic to deduce facts. Overarching it all is the fact that I know damned well that there is a whole lot I don’t know. In fact, admitting what one doesn’t know is crucial for gaining knowledge. And knowledge can come from anywhere. I know damned well that a mentally ill woman living under a freeway overpass might know something that I ought to know. I would be derelict were I to deny her knowledge based upon her status.
In my opinion, the two most productive revolutions in the history of the world were the scientific and industrial revolutions. Prior to the scientific revolution, peopled BELIEVED things based upon tradition. However, they the lacked knowledge. The scientific revolution produced the scientific method of determining knowledge. Did water flow downhill because it wanted to (belief)? Or did gravity pull all things toward Earth (knowledge)?
The point here, Blase’, is that before you believe anything that can produce a significant consequence, think it through. First acknowledge that no one knows everything. Use your prior knowledge. Then apply reason and logic. If you still can’t figure it out, find someone who knows the answer. Blase’ if you fail to do this and allow a felon to escape justice because you don’t know substantive law, you risk becoming an accessory to a felony and becoming known as Deputy Derelict. Were it me, I’d much rather get it right than to have to defend my indefensible actions in front of my boss who would’ve undoubtedly have no sympathy for my lack of knowledge.
Just some advice; maybe useful, maybe not…
ACU, it appears that you’re buddies with Blase’. Your sticking up for him is commendable. However, before you stick up for him you first ought to make sure he’s right. If he’s not right, you might want to consider telling him that he might want to rethink his belief. A friend will always tell a friend what s/he needs to hear, not what s/he wants to hear.
Hasta Luego,
R
ACU and Senor are spot on with their assessment of Mr. Emmens. The dude is a serious back stabbing asshole.
The only way promotions like this can occur is when guys like Cusamano, Clark, and Cochran are getting punked by Big Fat Mama. Reach down, grab your sack, and tell her to STFU! Promote some warriors who have the respect of the troops, not a brown noser who is considered a joke by his peers and subordinates. I have never seen morale so low. Promotions like these are a major reason.
ACU,
I guess it’s safe to say “R” doesn’t know what KISS means. It does make me laugh to see that he spends an excessive amount of time writing paragraph after paragraph to convince all he is right. I almost feel sorry for the guy. “Almost”……
Stay Safe
” I have never seen morale so low. Promotions like these are a major reason.”
Exactly
Okay Sgt time for a good story…..
Recently a party was held for the people leaving Narcotics. Newly promoted Lt Emmons showed up to this party.
A deputy was talking to one of the supervisors and Emmons joined them. The deputy was not fimiliar with Emmons so the supervisor introduced him to the deputy.
The deputy looked at him and stated “So your Mr. 72 days on the beach”.
Emmons turned beet red and left the party and never returned.
So who says that people don’t read iepolitics.com.
Okay Sgt time for a good story…..
Made me laugh out loud!
Señor, that is great.
“So who says that people don’t read iepolitics.com.”
I say at least 3/4 of the Dept reads it. No matter what station I go to or who I talk to, more often than not, they read this blog. I only wish more would comment to really show the brass we aren’t just a couple of disgruntled ninnies on here. I was happy when Captain Nicassio came on here. Agree or disagree with him, having a voice on here is much better than being silent and not presenting your side. As far as Emmons goes, I would expect nothing more, crybaby.
Blase’,
You ought to feel sorry for your agency and yourself. You emblematic of the reputation your agency has earned. Here, let me whip out by coveralls and start paining. SBSO has got to be the most inept law enforcement agency on the planet, and YOU ARE PART OF THE REASON.
Blase’ you’re so dumb you’re happy. You are clueless of how much you don’t know and dangerous enough to want to fight others who’re are wasting effort trying to school you. Where would you be without SBSO, stocking Depends at Target?
Blase’, it’s not so much that you’re dumb, exacerbating your intellectual condition is your inveterate commitment to defending your stupidity in the face of knowledge. In other words, you’re willing to resort to violence in order to defend being stupid. You can get much more stupid than that. And according to Ron White, you can’t be fixed.
But it’s not just you. I have read on this blog of other deputies who were willing to fight to defend their theses. They are like schoolyard bullies: when they can’t keep up intellectually they resort to violence. And these thugs are allowed to drive cop cars and represent law enforcement? What an abject disgrace.
Here’s the wide brush for you ACU: where are the competent SBSO deputies telling these intellectual lightweights who are really nothing but dirt bags in tan and green to get their acts together for fear of sealing in infamy the reputation of incompetence SBSO has earned?
I know JustCurious is derelict and a liar. I know Blase’ is derelict and probably close enough to liar for government work. Anonymous is an incompetent derelict and lackey who has yet to contribute one independent concept, yet like a sissy, he goads bullies into doing what he can’t: halfwit think. And then when you guys are unable to keep up intellectually, you guys start taking of throwing down.
ACU, I like you, which was why I was shocked to have read that even you are willing to resort to violence. Let me share great advice I have learned all too many years ago. It was true then, and like most things true, it has remained so: never allow ANYONE to get you so mad that your responding emotion is hatred. For the second another has caused you to hate her/him, she he has won. Hatred only kills the one holding it. So before anyone gets close to causing you to feel hatred, walk away. If you stay, you lose.
Here’s more advice that has served me well since the day I entered academy. Never, ever threaten anyone. Only the weak threaten.
SBSO has systemic, potentially fatal problems that are pandemic. These problems are found in every bureau within the agency. SBSO needs new blood. It needs a new sheriff that is an authentic cops who is committed to law enforcement professionalism. It needs a thorough house cleaning. That way we’ll see authentic worth of guys like Blase’, JustCurious, and Anonymous. Will they be able to find another law enforcement jobs? I can say with nearly 100% certainty that were it not for SBSO, these guys would be punching a Big Lots time clock.
Blase will be in charge of loss prevention because he knows that if a theft is not reported within 30 seconds, then no crime has occurred. JustCurious will be statement master, which, according to him, is a contradiction in terms because statements are not evidence. And Big Lots can leave loss prevention to Anonymous who’ll kick the box (crime) down the road to Wally World.
Here’s some badly needed advice that’s all over this thread, posted by many purportedly SBSO deputies: clean up your act lest you forever remain law enforcement’s most dirty joke!
For the most part we all know of the incompetence and malfeasance plaguing SBSO. Fighting each other over it will not cure it. You guys need to be identifying cures for your possibly terminally ill agency.
Show some intellectual ability. Attack the message, not its bearer.
R
Senor, LMAO!!! A kodak moment indeed. I told you John!
Another story soon, Needles station is coming back up on the radar. A blip has appeared. When the bogies have been identified, we will let everyone know about that too!!
I honesty hold deep empathy for squared away SBSO deputies who are forced to endure miserable working conditions.
I honestly do not believe that deliverance is going to come from within SBSO. I believe new blood is going to have to be infused from a candidate whose first allegiance is to the Peace Officer Code of Ethics.
Maybe it’s time to revise AB 301. As in public education in which the concept of tenure is being revisited in order to make it easier for school districts to fire under performing teachers, maybe law enforcement agencies should be accorded a streamlined process that facilitates easier termination for malfeasance/incompetence.
A sad consequence of an agency that breeds malfeasance & incompetence is squared away cops working within it become disillusioned and then burned out. They become consumed by a monster that exists to breed malfeasance & incompetence while devouring morale of squared away cops who know how to perform their jobs to high standards.
I have deep empathy for squared away SBSO deputies who must endure what they know should be eradicated from their agency. To the squared away SBSO deputies, I wish you my sincere best.
Adios,
R
R, in a nutshell, have you ever considered Blase is playing you? It might be working from my view behind the keyboard. His psyops approach is noteworthy.
ACU,
I have considered it, but he did aggressively assert he was right, even going to far as to cut ‘n’ paste from an attorney’s Website that actually refuted his belief that there was a reporting requirement in CPC 422. And why would he play me while exposing his lack of substantive law?
Believe me, ACU, if there is one thing I have is a sense of humor. One of the aspects of cop work I miss most is the jokes we used to play on one another. We used to spend half of our briefings laughing. Cops would probably get days off now for the jokes we used to tell and pull on one another.
Blase’ is probably a good enough dude. But I’d appreciate him all the more were he to argue concepts as opposed to lose his composure and launch personal attacks.
If he can prove to me that I am wrong, I’ll thank him for bringing me up to speed.
Hasta Luego,
R
ACU,
BTW, I carry no grudges. Were I to meed Blase’, I’d still buy him a cup of coffee.
R
Sent on behalf of Sheriff Rod Hoops:
I am proud to announce the following promotions effected March 24, 2012:
Assistant Sheriff Bob Fonzi has been promoted to Undersheriff
Deputy Chief Ron Cochran has been promoted to Assistant Sheriff in charge of Support Operations
Captain Steve Kovensky promoted to Deputy Chief – assignment pending
Lieutenant Mike Stansell promoted to Captain – assignment pending
Lieutenant Rick Ells promoted to Captain remaining at Twin Peaks
Lieutenant Tom Bradford promoted to Captain remaining in Big Bear
Hoops what are you doing to us? Stop promoting. Great job sheriff hoops. Screw up promotes more screw ups than ever. Bob Fonzi lost in space.
Stay Safe
Fassari
And again we called this one. Kovensky will take over the Narcotics division and Cook will more than likely take over duties of making sure that all of the water tanks are full.
We called Cochran many months ago.
Stansell is no surprise he’s McMahan’s brother in law.
Capt Ells, OMG!
It’s good to see all these relatives running the show. Cousin Vinny and Cousin Vito.
Anyone thinking Cook and Stewart are kicking the can behind HQ yet?
Fassari
Capt Ells, OMG!
I knew it was coming but it is pretty amazing. The man who ignored the Gastineau molestation is now a Captain. He is gonna ba a great Captain, NOT!!!
Colonel Paul Cook today announced the leadership team for his campaign in the newly drawn 8th Congressional District. Retired San Bernardino County Sheriff Gary Penrod is part of that respected team.”I’m very proud to have such a capable leadership team that represents the very best of our region,” said Cook. Respected by whom?
Penrod spoke to Cook’s record saying, “There’s no better friend of law enforcement than Colonel Paul Cook. His proven record at the local and state level has earned him my respect, and I’m proud to stand with Paul as he seeks to become our Congressman.”
Gary Penrod ? Is Gary a friend of law enforcement? Look at this! Mr. Penrod left on a very sour note, Hoops appointment, Post Gate, department sinking and sinking. Arrowhead Country Club is a good friend to Penrod and Hoops. This does not look good for Cook.
Penrod was fined by the state Fair Political Practices Commission for receiving illegal gifts in 2004 and 2005. Under an agreement with the FPPC, Penrod agreed to pay a fine of $200 for accepting memberships to the Arrowhead Country Club in San Bernardino, said Roman Porter, executive director of the FPPC. Penrod had a previous encounter with the FPPC over reporting violations.
Also what is the connection with Ozel Jewelry owner Abraham Tekin and Cook, Hoops and Penrod?
Ozel has been in the good ol boy club for years. I just wonder if he has a badge and CCW too? I bet he has Penrod and Hoops on speed dial.
Maybe Colonel Paul Cook made Ab a major in the Marines. I wonder what and how much stuff is done at Ozels through our department. Like trinkets and other trash?
ACU you are correct on all accounts. Abraham is very close to the command staff and that is where they get all of their “Presents”.
If his business is the vicitm of any crime he places one call to the office of the Sheriff and the next phone that rings is the Captains phone at the Victorville Station.
A deputy and a detective are immediately dispatched to the location and the detective had better solve the case.
I will almost bet that any items given to Penrod, Hoops or any other elected offical is not reported on their FPPC forms.
Senor I remember when Ozell’s got robbed in Victorville. An impressive response in manpower. I just smiled when I read the article.
People just don’t know, do they??
Senor I wonder if the FBI is looking at Ab and the items given to Penrod, Hoops or any other elected offical. I would not buy anything at Ozel’s hearing about this stuff. I wonder what he gives our command staff. I hear he has a home in Tahoe and Cook, Hoops, the DA and others go there. Is that listed on their FPPC forms. What does Ad get from giving all this love to Hoops? Wonder if Floyd T. is getting his share? It is a shame to have all this going on.
Who is Ab?
Ab is Abraham Tekin who owns Ozels Jewelry in the high desert and in Redlands. He belongs to the Good Ole Boys Club and has been for quite some time.
Is very friendly with Penrod, Hoops, Dovark and several others that are high up in the department and at the DA’s Office.
When they need a deal they go see Ozels. Kind of helps with the 35′s and then when the wife’s find out about the 35′s it kind of helps smooth things over with the wife.
And I bet if the walls at the Tahoe place could talk “Oh my God”.
If Abraham Tekin pays for Tahoe trips for Hoops and Ramos, maybe they need to be investigated if they do not report these gifts. Neil Derry start looking at this team of NON-Crime fighters and report this to the Fed’s. Hoops what are you doing to us? You make SBSD look like a bunch of low lifes and we have some great people on our department. People cannot see it because of this jerk. Abraham Tekin who owns Ozels Jewelry would probably sell these two down the river in a heart beat if the Fed’s asked him what gifts he has given them. This might overturn the Turdtruck. He’s has nothing to loose. He only gave gifts and trips, right! Did the duo report it. Not sure but probably not. Tahoe might be the mistake. If anyone knows about Tahoe and this junk, we need to know. The Fed’s need to know. This makes Ramos $25,000 campaign mistake look like small fries.
Be Safe
what’s a 35…..
Su a 35 is a little girlfriend/boyfriend you have that your spouse does not know about.
In “police code” 10-35 means Confidential Information. If cops are running a warrant check, dispatch will ask “Are you 35 (or 10-35)” before they broadcast that the suspect has a warrant. They do this so the doesn’t hear the broadcast.
We (cops) have used “35″ as a code for a married cops girlfriend (confidential), meaning someone his wife doesn’t know about.
Sucks huh?
ohhhhh…..35…Ozel’s…..got it……
Hmm . . . heard a Redlands jeweler might be running for office. I guess now I know who that might have been. Guess he changed his mind.
Are we ever going to get rid of the corruption in this county?
This story has touched me. Not in a good way. I think Paul would be a fine sheriff if he can stop some of the fun-boys. The note about someone from the POST theft getting promoted is not good and stinks. Paul must help SBSD. On another note the word is Rod Hoops will not run for sheriff in 2014. My friend who plays golf with Rod said Hoops has had it with whinning deputies, sergeants and the pain in the butt people around him and is looking at an appointed job from Gov. Brown. Something to do with POST and I am not kidding. My friend thinks thats “cool” and I had no words for him. POST job, this must a lie. That POST job must be an inside joke. My friend is also friends with Mr. Tekin. He said he is looking for some appointment from Gov. Brown also. I think promotions and appointments are great when they are earned. If anyone else has heard Rod is not running we need to know.
He could just quit then…. Oh wait, he will just past the torch to some other incompetent assh*l&. Never mind….
Sgt Milstar I hope Hoops just quits.
Just heard, tonight, that he contacted a friend (in Fontana) and asked him to set up a fund raising dinner because he WAS running for re-election.
Oh boy, expect the leg humpers to return to this blog in mass…. lol
Wow there is a lot of anger on this site. I am a member of the public and in the past eighteen months become hyper aware of some serious problems with the manner our sheriffs department is working.
From reading this blog and others, I have become aware that there are serious problems with and for our deputies in this county. This results in serious problems for the public. From a comletely outsiders view and in my humble opinion. I think that our deputies are not feeling supported from the top down. Seems to be time for someone new at the top. So far I am liking Schrader for this job. Other than mean spriited ranting can one of you tell me why Schrader would do a worst job than is being done now. Please don’t take your important time to mention the education thing. Thanks!
Sheriff Hoops and Deputy Chief Ortiz “lunch” and “console” the person that killed their own(I can prove it) They should be ashamed to wear the badge and don’t deserve their positions.
So prove it..
Anon as you can see if you have something on hoops JC get angry and wants you to prove it. Please put those names out for us. Also JC shut up you little hoops be ouch. You are nothing but a cheerleader for that crap roach.